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botany posted:Which ones were those? Whiny white males. And Ghostbusters 2016 was not great, but it was a lot of fun, and legit hilarious in parts. Most people who've given it a try after all the hubub died down ended up enjoying it. And they remake poo poo all the time, but for some reason people got all pissed off at this one, I wonder why.
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fits my needs posted:Wow, it does sound nice to be able to create all these changes with tools that don't even exist! Nice to know you need to coddle the fragile egos of shell-shocked white people realizing they will be minorities in a couple of decades from burning everything to the ground and loving everyone else. Also yes, the tools do not exist as of yet, due to the complacency of white liberals in using their mass media privileges.
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Main Paineframe posted:Doesn't this just boil down to "if your party's been in office for eight years and the economy still sucks everyone will vote for the other guy"? I mean, McCain had an economic message too but for some reason no one really bought it. There wasn't really anything stopping Clinton from batting for the fences in her rhetoric, and talking about taking back the house and pushing through all the various things in the platform that really would have been a substantial improvement over the status quo. All the stuff Obama wanted, but couldn't get through. Democrats in 2016 were too concerned with being realistic and thinking too small, imo. Trump promised them the loving world, and they voted for him because of it. Why wasn't Clinton talking a big game too? She would still look downright reasonable next to the insanity of Donald J. Trump and his loving border wall and all the rest. It doesn't matter that the odds were stacked against her in Congress. Tell people "yes we can" again. UV_Catastrophe fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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botany posted:Which ones were those? Dorks that wrap themselves up in consumerism of "being a nerd" to have an identity and would actually want a Ghostbusters remake. Here's a pretty good watch on the whole Ghostbusters fiasco. https://youtu.be/UWROBiX1eSc
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speng31b posted:That message WILL get people to the polls if the dems are willing to use it. agreed, lets hope they do
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fknlo posted:Just because she wasn't able to shorten it to buzzwords mixed into a borderline incoherent sentence doesn't mean she didn't have an economic plan. You can find plenty of analysis on it on the internets. It's all still up on her website too. Her great plan (well..) gave her a tiny edge over the incoherent primate. Deal with it, no matter what her plan was, she did a poo poo job letting people know about it and getting their attention. And to top it off, few people were actually willing to believe her if they listened at all in the first place.
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Business Gorillas posted:Dorks that wrap themselves up in consumerism of "being a nerd" to have an identity and would actually want a Ghostbusters remake. Yeah, those are exactly the people you don't really want to win over because they are a cultural poison. I.e. the white nationalists in the Hillary parallel.
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UV_Catastrophe posted:There wasn't really anything stopping Clinton from batting for the fences in her rhetoric, and talking about taking back the house and pushing through all the various things in the platform that really would have been a substantial improvement over the status quo. I don't disagree, but at the end of the day Clinton was pretty hobbled in that department by the fact that: A) she's not a very good/inspiring public speaker B) she really is a rich old insider with a penchant for triangulation, caution, and prudence. In an election genuinely about policy (although are they ever?) maybe that would have been fine, but in this case it wasn't.
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She won on "the most important issue" in all of the swing states she lost by minuscule amounts. It's almost like if that was actually the most important issue and she won it by 5% among those that turned out she would have won. That almost makes it seem like the "spooky brown people I've never really interacted with" was more of an issue.
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steinrokkan posted:Thank you for your comprehensive plan of "wait 50 years and then things turn out one way pr another" I don't support any of that poo poo. The protests going on now are loving stupid and pointless and will do as much as OWS and protests against the second Iraq War. gently caress Trump, and gently caress all the white people that voted for him. Things will get a lot worse as minority communities will be radicalized due to white people taking their time being  about voting a man who wants to ban all Muslims and a build a wall against Mexico. A guy who will be president of the US in 2 months.
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Pollyanna posted:Has the general public actually started to learn about how hosed up the Dems are and what we need to do to make things better for both workers and minorities, or are we just all in another echo chamber? Is anything we're saying getting through? fits my needs posted:I don't support any of that poo poo. The protests going on now are loving stupid and pointless and will do as much as OWS and protests against the second Iraq War. gently caress Trump, and gently caress all the white people that voted for him. Things will get a lot worse as minority communities will be radicalized due to white people taking their time being
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twistedmentat posted:Whiny white males. And Ghostbusters 2016 was not great, but it was a lot of fun, and legit hilarious in parts. Most people who've given it a try after all the hubub died down ended up enjoying it. And they remake poo poo all the time, but for some reason people got all pissed off at this one, I wonder why. As anti cultural appropriation as i am, i thought the best "replace white dudes" candidate has always been Christopher Lloyd and some funny young woman making "Back to the future IV" where a woman from the Past/future comes back to 2015/2016/2017. "Who'se the president? Trump? The Millionare?". Ghostbusters was a bad choice. Its legit the best posting week of my life, and for 5 days of which the mods put me on a well-deserved posting vacation.  Lots of protests in south florida if anyone wants to have a goon meet this weekend. Bash the anti-fash (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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cheese posted:I think the general public is still in a state of shock. So we're hosed, then? Because we've got the attention spans of goldfish.
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MattD1zzl3 posted:Its legit the best posting week of my life, and for 5 days of which the mods put me on a well-deserved posting vacation. Go back to 4chan and fellating Chris Poole.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:https://twitter.com/marcportermagee/status/797462124788379648 Also requires 2/3rd Congressional Approval.
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Pollyanna posted:So we're hosed, then? Because we've got the attention spans of goldfish.
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fknlo posted:She won on "the most important issue" in all of the swing states she lost by minuscule amounts. It's almost like if that was actually the most important issue and she won it by 5% among those that turned out she would have won. That almost makes it seem like the "spooky brown people I've never really interacted with" was more of an issue. it wasn't the most important issue among those who voted. problem is, you have almost no room to grow in that group because if they didn't vote dem, they voted trump and can't be reached (or so hillary diehards like to claim). so, navelgazing at what you did well on with those who voted isn't doing you much good, since you need to pull in another group, those who didn't vote. before claiming "we did well enough on economy so it wasn't actually important" you actually need to talk to those who stayed home and find out why they stayed home. oh, but you're too busy looking for easy answers
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steinrokkan posted:Yeah, those are exactly the people you don't really want to win over because they are a cultural poison. Did you see a bunch of white rust belters call each other bigots and X out of the video? I mean we just tried the "let's wrap the same poo poo we've been selling for 30 years in identity politics and take minorities for granted" and we have President Cheeto.
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Business Gorillas posted:Dorks that wrap themselves up in consumerism of "being a nerd" to have an identity and would actually want a Ghostbusters remake. I wonder if that demographic has a distinct racial makeup...
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cheese posted:We still have 48-49 Senators depending on how that runoff goes. Not really a thing. Amending the Constitution is also the definition of overreacting.
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MattD1zzl3 posted:As anti cultural appropriation as i am, i thought the best "replace white dudes" candidate has always been Christopher Lloyd and some funny young woman making "Back to the future IV" where a woman from the Past/future comes back to 2015/2016/2017. "Who'se the president? Trump? The Millionare?". Ghostbusters was a bad choice. I think I ate about two weeks of probations in total for low effort trolling and saying "hey maybe openly antagonizing white people isn't a good idea" over the past couple months. I'm right there with you.
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Condiv posted:it wasn't the most important issue among those who voted. What? How are you drawing that conclusion from the exit polls that state that the economy was the most important issue?
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Business Gorillas posted:Did you see a bunch of white rust belters call each other bigots and X out of the video? In reform, there are still groups you don't want to touch. Pollyanna posted:So we're hosed, then? Because we've got the attention spans of goldfish. Now extrapolate this knowledge to decision making before the elections. A guy is told that he needs to fight for social justice by a campaign volunteer. He reads the free literature. He is fired up. He tweets, he talks, he plans in his head. A week passes, he gets stressed out at work, he has to worry about bills, his wife is nagging, and now the election day is here. So he remembers that in the past days he heard something about race equality, and that it seemed important, but he's tired, and he feels miserable, and really what can he do about it with his one vote, and to be completely honest he doesn't understand the issue anyway, even though it made sense back then when he read those pamphlets... So he doesn't vote.
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botany posted:I wonder if that demographic has a distinct racial makeup... If your takeaway to a bunch of rust belters saying "MAYBE THE MOVIE WAS JUST BAD ON ITS OWN MERIT??" is "ugh, white people  ", maybe the Ghostbusters movie is more prescient than I previously thought
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cheese posted:Only if Trump hands the keys over to Mike Pence who quietly starts dismantling everything we know and love about this country. As long as Trump stays the villain and people can coalesce around defeating him we have hope. He already has handed the keys over to Pence. He intended to do so from the start. I mean...I don't have any proof on hand to point to. gently caress, I'm awful at this, why am I even bothering? I don't know, man, I just don't want my very existence to be outlawed by the literal Antichrist.
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Shadokin posted:Did you actually read this? If you did, I don't think you truly comprehended it. The only part I can figure you are referring to is where he called all demonstrations violent as they end up exciting to it. He is very clearly stating that the country needed too slow up and allow time for integration over trying to force it instantly. Seriously, reread that paper. Wow. You need to re-read the "to:" line.
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cheese posted:Only if Trump hands the keys over to Mike Pence who quietly starts dismantling everything we know and love about this country. As long as Trump stays the villain and people can coalesce around defeating him we have hope. lol, like Trump would ever not take the opportunity to make something about him. This isn't like GWB who hosed off to his ranch in Crawford and stayed quiet while Cheney called the shots.
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speng31b posted:That message WILL get people to the polls if the dems are willing to use it. That's why I said IF. I'm saying she didn't do that and IF it isn't the correct message then you have to find something else.
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steinrokkan posted:Now extrapolate this knowledge to decision making before the elections. A guy is told that he needs to fight for social justice by a campaign volunteer. He reads the free literature. He is fired up. He tweets, he talks, he plans in his head. A week passes, he gets stressed out at work, he has to worry about bills, his wife is nagging, and now the election day is here. So he remembers that in the past days he heard something about race equality, and that it seemed important, but he's tired, and he feels miserable, and really what can he do about it with his one vote, and to be completely honest he doesn't understand the issue anyway, even though it made sense back then when he read those pamphlets... This is more or less what I expected. Focusing on one side over the other didn't work. We need to focus on both, to the detriment of neither. I want to have my loving cake and eat it, too, and it's goddamn possible. We just need to figure out how.
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Whole lot of twisting and goal post moving to try to blame Clinton going on here. "People don't like her on the economy" except apparently they did prefer her on the economy even in swing states. "She didn't turn out enough voters" except she a) won the popular vote and b) it's looking like her turnout is higher than any other recent candidate except Obama. I don't know guys, seeing how the demographics broke down, I think some sort of ism might have been involved and the economy maybe wasn't actually the big issue.
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Business Gorillas posted:Did you see a bunch of white rust belters call each other bigots and X out of the video? Other than really pissing off White people, what is the loving problem with "Identity politics"? To me it just seems like "Your revolution needs to wait until mine gets going".
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Condiv posted:it wasn't the most important issue among those who voted. problem is, you have almost no room to grow in that group because if they didn't vote dem, they voted trump and can't be reached (or so hillary diehards like to claim). so, navelgazing at what you did well on with those who voted isn't doing you much good, since you need to pull in another group, those who didn't vote. before claiming "we did well enough on economy so it wasn't actually important" you actually need to talk to those who stayed home and find out why they stayed home. I think we all know that we need both economic and social issues if we're going to drive turnout. I think what's frustrating some of us is that the entire postmortem process, in the media, here, and elsewhere, seems to be overstating the rustbelt white folks who are disenfranchised and understating the need to reach out to and genuinely convince minorities, immigrants that there's a chance for positive change. Those things aren't incompatible, but it's frustrating to see the narrative almost entirely focusing on the white elites vs the white poors and sidelining/delegitimizing a really important element. speng31b fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Xae posted:Also requires 2/3rd Congressional Approval. Not necessarily. 2/3rds of state legislatures can also propose amendments, which then are ratified by 3/4s. quote:The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution Also Jesus did run-on sentence restrictions not exist in the 1700s?
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Business Gorillas posted:The Ghostbusters movie is a perfect analogy for this, actually. Uh bro if having to look at women, some of whom aren't white, alienates you... you are the problem here to be quite honest. Also as if the original Ghostbusters, a pre-planned merchandising bonanza, wasn't corporate as gently caress? Like really?
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zegermans posted:Not necessarily. 2/3rds of state legislatures can also propose amendments, which then are ratified by 3/4s. A Constitution Convention is a non starter. For one there are no rules for it.
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fknlo posted:What? How are you drawing that conclusion from the exit polls that state that the economy was the most important issue? if it was the most important part of the election and she won on it then she would've won. why are you still going on about analyzing polls that can't possibly fix the issues you're dealing with? speng31b posted:I think we all know that we need both economic and social issues if we're going to drive turnout. I think what's frustrating some of us is that the entire postmortem process, in the media, here, and elsewhere, seems to be overstating the rustbelt white folks who are disenfranchised and understating the need to reach out to and genuinely convince minorities, immigrants that there's a chance for positive change. Those things aren't incompatible, but it's frustrating to see the narrative almost entirely focusing on the white elites vs the white poors and sidelining/delegitimizing a really important element. agreed, but during the election we had a strong oppression of the economic justice so we're probably seeing a ton of bounceback from that. but yes I think a strong combined social justice/economic justice message going forward would be best.
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