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Zikan posted:more epic Clinton campaign failure clinton campaign... BAD???
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Nov 12, 2016 22:43
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https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/797554312939343872 he's powering up o_o
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Nov 12, 2016 22:48
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comedyblissoption posted:here's a good taibbi article about the democratic party betrayal of american workers and how the claims of neoliberal globalization benefitting american workers is just as much a sham as republican trickle down economics Feels good to have been following all the old Exile crew.
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Nov 12, 2016 22:51
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Jaminjami posted:https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/797554312939343872 he is powering up for a 2020 run. when he wins, i just want his victory speech to be 'I TOLD YOU FUCKERS' *mic drop*
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Cubey posted:he is powering up for a 2020 run. Dude probably doesn't have 8 years in him with the stresses that would cause.
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Nov 12, 2016 22:52
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Dude probably doesn't have 8 years in him with the stresses that would cause. he doesn't need 8 years my man. run in 2020 with a young progressive like gabbard as vp in case he eats it during office, if he makes it the whole term he retires after one term and hands the reigns to someone like him but younger. trump will be 75 in 2020 and already looks more unhealthy than sanders now so i don't even think the age thing would matter in the eyes of voters. DEEP STATE PLOT has issued a correction as of 22:57 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Nov 12, 2016 22:55
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anyway, the heavy focus on reforming democratic economic stances, while important, imo continues to obscure a point itt: that the #1 threat to democratic success in future elections, and one of the key causes of the disaster on election day, is republican attempts to prevent minorities voting. they already have met with success and now they control more state governments, the justice department, and might have more of the supreme court. on the face of it making sure their base is allowed to vote at all in future elections is the most important task for the democratic party right now. hopefully obama will still try to do this even though his position is much worse this is one reason why i keep dragging things back to race itt. no matter how important advancing a positive economic message is, this was the core issue of the last election, will be of the next, and the democrats neglect it at their peril
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Nov 12, 2016 22:57
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LinYutang posted:rustbelt_sneakattack.jpg lol
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Peel posted:anyway, the heavy focus on reforming democratic economic stances, while important, imo continues to obscure a point itt: that the #1 threat to democratic success in future elections, and one of the key causes of the disaster on election day, is republican attempts to prevent minorities voting. they already have met with success and now they control more state governments, the justice department, and might have more of the supreme court. on the face of it making sure their base is allowed to vote at all in future elections is the most important task for the democratic party right now. hopefully obama will still try to do this even though his position is much worse like are you a caricature of a liberal or something? its the economy, stupid
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Peel posted:anyway, the heavy focus on reforming democratic economic stances, while important, imo continues to obscure a point itt: that the #1 threat to democratic success in future elections, and one of the key causes of the disaster on election day, is republican attempts to prevent minorities voting. they already have met with success and now they control more state governments, the justice department, and might have more of the supreme court. on the face of it making sure their base is allowed to vote at all in future elections is the most important task for the democratic party right now. hopefully obama will still try to do this even though his position is much worse Yeah, I'm worried about this too. Overcorrection is in our nature, after all. I've thought about the voter suppression thing a bit and I honestly think the only reliable solution (since legislative remedies clearly aren't going to happen any time soon) is to throw a poo poo-ton of money at the problem. Set up foundations to help people get IDs and deal with paperwork to comply with restrictive voting laws and hire fleets of vehicles to transport people to polls in places where they're being closed down, that sort of thing. So, uh, how exactly does one go about setting up a SuperPAC?
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Also, how does one go about getting a poo poo-ton of money?
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Peel posted:anyway, the heavy focus on reforming democratic economic stances, while important, imo continues to obscure a point itt: that the #1 threat to democratic success in future elections, and one of the key causes of the disaster on election day, is republican attempts to prevent minorities voting. they already have met with success and now they control more state governments, the justice department, and might have more of the supreme court. on the face of it making sure their base is allowed to vote at all in future elections is the most important task for the democratic party right now. hopefully obama will still try to do this even though his position is much worse race is definitely still a core thing, it should just be handled with more care and not by snarky ivory tower assholes who will call you a bigot if you dont understand 100% of the complexities of internationalism and race. critique drift has hurt the social left hard. http://fredrikdeboer.com/2015/03/10/critique-drift/ this explains the point i am trying to make alot better.
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Jaminjami posted:https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/797554312939343872 what happens when we two candidates with powerful meme magic?
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Nov 12, 2016 23:03
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Cubey posted:he doesn't need 8 years my man. run in 2020 with a young progressive like gabbard as vp in case he eats it during office, if he makes it the whole term he retires after one term and hands the reigns to someone like him but younger. I think Bernie's age might hurt him in 2020. Better to go Gabbard/Sanders or _______/Sanders. You get his cred on the ticket, have somebody younger and perhaps more charismatic at the top of the ticket. Not that Bernie doesn't have charisma; it's just that we could probably get somebody more charismatic on top of the ticket. e: Also, Gabbard is a minority female and identity politics isn't completely dead. (Why we erase Sanders' Judaism and act like it isn't a minority identity, I don't know, but we do.)
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Grondoth posted:You know what fuckin' gets me? Hillary Clinton is simply unelectable, marginally more so than Donald Trump
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Jaminjami posted:https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/797554312939343872 
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Fidel Castronaut posted:(Why we erase Sanders' Judaism and act like it isn't a minority identity, I don't know, but we do.) Because erasing Sanders's Jewishness was the only way they could pretend Hillary had special minority powers.
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Nov 12, 2016 23:08
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Cubey posted:he doesn't need 8 years my man. run in 2020 with a young progressive like gabbard as vp in case he eats it during office, if he makes it the whole term he retires after one term and hands the reigns to someone like him but younger. It's more is he up to run himself ragged, not would it worry voters. He's already doing the elder statesman thing and kingmaking But what do I know. They say presidential ambition is only cured by death
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Nov 12, 2016 23:09
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Grognan posted:like are you a caricature of a liberal or something? the man who said that, and his wife, spent a whole lot of time and effort working with and building support among black people and that delivered said wife success in the primary this year 'your supporters are literally not allowed to vote' is not a marginal concern
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Nov 12, 2016 23:11
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comedyblissoption posted:i'm going to laugh my rear end off if trump is able to get his trillion dollar infrastructure jobs project through w/ significant public funding while all the dnc sycophants and hillfolk shriek at it this isn't going to happen. if it does, it will be building a giant dumb wall somewhere or turning a forest park into a parking lot
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Nov 12, 2016 23:12
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Cubey posted:when he wins, i just want his victory speech to be 'I TOLD YOU FUCKERS' *mic drop* He's not dumb. he's not going to run on an "I told you so" campaign.
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Fidel Castronaut posted:I think Bernie's age might hurt him in 2020. Better to go Gabbard/Sanders or _______/Sanders. You get his cred on the ticket, have somebody younger and perhaps more charismatic at the top of the ticket. Not that Bernie doesn't have charisma; it's just that we could probably get somebody more charismatic on top of the ticket. However you want to do it, but with Nina.
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Nov 12, 2016 23:15
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black turnout was way down in Flint/Detroit for reasons that are not voter suppression, the rust belt did not give a gently caress about Clinton no matter what race
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Nov 12, 2016 23:16
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Fidel Castronaut posted:I think Bernie's age might hurt him in 2020. Better to go Gabbard/Sanders or _______/Sanders. You get his cred on the ticket, have somebody younger and perhaps more charismatic at the top of the ticket. Not that Bernie doesn't have charisma; it's just that we could probably get somebody more charismatic on top of the ticket. i think age will only matter if by 2020, he is not as sharp and charismatic as he is now. which hell maybe he won't be, like he said 4 years is a long time. gabbard is good too and i wouldn't mind her at the top, i just feel that since sanders is a known quantity and since he was right all along and now everyone is coming around to that fact, he would be a better bet. but ultimately we need to worry about the now and the immediate future, which is getting ellison as chair and making the dems fall in line behind him. i am sending the phone numbers and email addresses in the op to various friends i know who care about this election in various states so that their local dems will hopefully get behind ellison as chair and i implore everyone to do the same if you have not yet. SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:It's more is he up to run himself ragged, not would it worry voters. He's already doing the elder statesman thing and kingmaking sanders is good people and if he feels he's the only hope for the dems in 2020 i think he will do it even if it literally kills him
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Nov 12, 2016 23:17
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Venom Snake posted:He's not dumb. he's not going to run on an "I told you so" campaign. it was a joke, silly
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Nov 12, 2016 23:17
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Feels good to have been following all the old Exile crew. Hill Folk didn't see anything wrong with her fervent support of the TPP, even though organizations such as Medecins Sans Frontieres warned it would give big pharma even more leverage. Also our Abuela erased all statements supporting the TPP from the new edition of her memoir.
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Nov 12, 2016 23:19
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https://twitter.com/freddiedeboer/status/797234324265455616
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I'm lucky enough to have been able to say to my Congressperson "Hey, I teach at your alma mater and Keith Ellison went to your alma mater and he's good and righteous so let's do the thing. Might help that Conyers is the longest-serving Congressperson right now and represents one of the districts where people are fed up of status quo democrats. This really is the tipping point for the party in my eye. Get behind Ellison or get got forever.
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i like theory crafting about 2020 as well but everyone should be way more concerned about positioning for 2018 midterms so the republicans cant just add amendments to the constitution
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incidentally, is there anything being done about the upcoming senate runoff in louisiana i'm aware louisiana senate is probably a lost cause, but so was trump and here we are
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Dude probably doesn't have 8 years in him with the stresses that would cause. Goku only had 30 minutes in SSJ3 form and almost beat Majin Buu, therefore
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Cubey posted:sanders is good people and if he feels he's the only hope for the dems in 2020 i think he will do it even if it literally kills him I think he would, but I think he's also trying his damnedest to set things up so he won't be. Trying to pull the party* back together and back on point, championing Ellison (rather than himself) as DNC chair, even if he's doing it all out of ambition it feels more like ambition for influence in the Senate (which I would feel really good about him getting) than for taking another stab at the big chair in 4-8 years. ___ *I notice that no one's shouting BUT HE'S NOT A DEMOCRAT these days. Good.
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Hey remember when Clinton had pneumonia and instead of being like "OK I got sick because I've been working so hard gonna rest up and be back in a week" they were evasive and put out a bunch of bullshit about "dehydration" and launched a million stupid brain cancer conspiracy theories because they have to micromanage every single loving think in the dumbest way possible without ever showing human vulnerability? Then we were all "This is fine. I'll put this fire with the other fire."
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Nov 12, 2016 23:27
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LinYutang posted:black turnout was way down in Flint/Detroit for reasons that are not voter suppression, the rust belt did not give a gently caress about Clinton no matter what race The election was close enough that any one factor changing could have resulted in a different outcome. Running a campaign that doesn't completely ignore the existence of an entire region is certainly the bare minimum that needs to happen next time around. Other problems shouldn't be ignored, though.
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bump_fn posted:i like theory crafting about 2020 as well but everyone should be way more concerned about positioning for 2018 midterms so the republicans cant just add amendments to the constitution Yeah, that's not only the fight that's closer on the horizon, it's the fight (midterms) that democrats have been loving awful at and, from what I recall, it is a year with a lot of races that would be very tough for dems to win.
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docbeard posted:I think he would, but I think he's also trying his damnedest to set things up so he won't be. Trying to pull the party* back together and back on point, championing Ellison (rather than himself) as DNC chair, even if he's doing it all out of ambition it feels more like ambition for influence in the Senate (which I would feel really good about him getting) than for taking another stab at the big chair in 4-8 years. this may very well be what he is doing and i am all for it. whatever his plan is, if it means a progressive dem party and a progressive dem candidate in 2020, whether it is him or someone else, that is ultimately all that matters.
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Cubey posted:it was a joke, silly Sorry. it's really hard to tell the difference sometimes lol
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The Democrats are quickly running out of states that aren't California/New York to find politicians that can bring together multiple disparate groups. They have to start turning this around now.
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