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bump_fn posted:im a lil drunk and v angry so im just gonna post this: if ur armchair theorizing poo poo about politics please consider getting involved in any way possible to make this poo poo as least terrible I've signed petitions and am gonna start making phone calls on monday and I'm gonna go to what meetings I can but I sure as poo poo hope good stuff happens, if it looks like the clintonites refuse to acknowledge their failings and don't cede control to a progressive group then idk, let the DNC die off and make a new party I guess?
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and don't get me wrong. there are terrified people who have been openly threatened by this incoming administration, if you can help in any way (volunteer, etc) to places like aclu, kind, immigration law center, etc do that as well. i don't know your situation but ir you're reading this dead gay forum you probably want to help so help as much as you can in any way you can. but, having talked to some friends after this election, the most important thing i can say is dont just tweet poo poo, get out in the real loving world and help people.
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SpaceGoku posted:I've signed petitions and am gonna start making phone calls on monday and I'm gonna go to what meetings I can but I sure as poo poo hope good stuff happens, if it looks like the clintonites refuse to acknowledge their failings and don't cede control to a progressive group then idk, let the DNC die off and make a new party I guess? go to meetings. ask for meetings with local offices. the DNC has too much architecture to waste it burning down
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MJ12 posted:What I'm worried about is that it's not going to matter. Republicans will just dig out out-of-context quotes from tumblr feminists or whatever and they're going to pretend this is the actual face of feminism, and the media isn't going to care that this isn't how it works. The right has classically been much better at loving with media impressions and the media has, like the democratic establishment, rolled over and deepthroated them. Remember "death taxes" anyone? Or "death panels?" The media needs to be taken to account at some point as well or they're just going to misrepresent any attempts to reach out. Fine. Worry about it. I worry about that poo poo too, but it isn't going to keep me from standing up and trying to stop it. I'm not going to admit I'm hosed until the dick actually goes in.
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Nonsense posted:People also keep pointing out the stupidity of THE RABBLE voters, but they voted in income inequality measures, cannabis legalization and voted for a Dem governor in WV despite voting for Trump. Nuts. The Democrats also gained seats in both the Senate and the House despite losing the Presidency, even though the party that wins the Presidency normally also makes net gains in Congress. The most obvious reading is that this election wasn't a repudiation of the Democrats but of the political status quo, as represented personally by Clinton and more generally by the Congressional Republicans who very deliberately accomplished nothing over the past six years.
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lmao hillery blaming comey. she has no self-awareness.
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if you talk to anyone about this and they don't acknowledge the dem gov of WV then ...... idk man...
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Fidel Castronaut posted:The term "class-privilege" needs to be something said a gently caress of a lot more often in social justice circles, especially on the campuses of private liberal arts colleges that are upset about sushi in the cafeteria, not because of the classism of having access to those things as an 18 year old but because the poor people who are making your sushi aren't actual Asians. No, this is exactly what I was looking for, thanks. I studied history in college, so I got a headful of what the worst in race, sex, nationality privileges actually looked like. So Idpol stuff was like an alien language to me. I think young people are especially vulnerable to that kind of rhetoric because those are the issues which most directly affect their lived experiences so - while they're still important, they also don't fear the need for healthcare, or (usually) don't have kids to raise. The tangible threat of material danger doesn't occur to them.
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Justin Tyme posted:"Intersectionality? what the gently caress does that mean? sounds like stupid ivory tower liberal garbage" - a poor working class person This is a good point. No matter what idea you want to bring to the voters, you have to communicate it in a way where they understand what it means to them. It doesn't necessarily have to benefit them, but you can't throw out a bunch of jargon and expect them to care, because jargon just starts to sound like obfuscation.
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SpaceGoku posted:I've signed petitions  Petitions ain't worth poo poo!quote:and am gonna start making phone calls on monday and I'm gonna go to what meetings I can but I sure as poo poo hope good stuff happens, if it looks like the clintonites refuse to acknowledge their failings and don't cede control to a progressive group then idk, let the DNC die off and make a new party I guess? I cannot find Zikan's huge post about making Keith Ellison happen, can someone please quote that? If you really wanna help the progressive take over of the DNC make Keith Ellison happen and get out and vote for Democrats in EVERY election. The reason Republicans were able to get this stranglehold is because liberals can't be hosed to vote in local and state elections. We gotta change that.
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NumberLast posted:This is a good point. hey heres a good response to their complaints: rich people who the government has helped instead of you, refuse to pay fair taxes. you know what fair means, right? o fciourse you do. those are your enemy oh what , you heard republicans cared about you? show me a single shred of evidence that they have helped you in the past 30+ years. exactly. they don't care about you but the progressive democrats do. its that easy
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i've said before i don't mind complaining about comey because i think denormalising trump and getting angry are good strategy and 'the election was hosed with' is a good angle for those, but if it's the end of her private analysis of loss then lol i hope venom snake is right
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bump_fn posted:if you talk to anyone about this and they don't acknowledge the dem gov of WV then ...... idk man... WV is the strongest union state in the nation WV recently had a right to work law passed in the state house and it immediately got struck down in courts because it's counter to everything West Virginia stands for I also talked to some ppl back home about the right to work law and they couldn't wrap their heads around why someone wouldn't unionize at a blue collar job lol
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Jenner posted:I linked crime statistics to Trumpeters and they just told me to get hosed. They didn't seem to be interested in facts. Sad! I still like you. I hope you don't mind if I periodically empty quote you.
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bump_fn posted:im a lil drunk and v angry so im just gonna post this: if ur armchair theorizing poo poo about politics please consider getting involved in any way possible to make this poo poo as least terrible aren't you from minneapolis? there'd be a major problem if your congressman didn't want keith ellison to be dnc chairperson
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Smoking Crow posted:WV is the strongest union state in the nation quoting this to say : point out classism (dont call ir racism or they wont listen) in peoples opinions of WV when you talk to them but also please talk to people.
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There are two lines from that that I forgot but seem applicable. Otto: Let him go, he knows what he's doing. Homer: Not to self. Stop doing anything.
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hobbesmaster posted:aren't you from minneapolis? there'd be a major problem if your congressman didn't want keith ellison to be dnc chairperson no
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hobbesmaster posted:sorry, updating yosposters.ods text me sexy boy
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Peel posted:'white trash' is a term of class abuse and shall be burned in the sancti im an extremely priveledger person but i have talked to enoguh people to be able to say: THIS loving THIS don't other people that would be on board with your plans jesus christ
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Well What Now posted:Fine. Worry about it. I worry about that poo poo too, but it isn't going to keep me from standing up and trying to stop it. I like that attitude and I think you've misread me. What I mean is that if one of your pillars is "well tumblr feminists should just shut up" you need to consider that Podesta isn't wrong that the news media of the last two decades has basically been: *present fringe opinion that nobody actually believes as thing* *allows right-wing pundit to say 'yep, this is what the left actually believes* *smiles and nods and goes 'does this represent all of the left, or just most of the left? YOU DECIDE'* So I was thinking that there might be the possibility that this poo poo would backfire because it'd discourage part of the base while not actually improving the image. That said I guess tumblr feminists probably don't vote anyways so maybe the argument should be "if you actually care about women's/LGBT/minority rights shut the gently caress up and vote."
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bump_fn posted:but also please talk to people. I once talked to a Republican and we agreed on guns and had a really good conversation about criminal justice reform where we agreed quite a bit. Am... am I a bad Democrat?  Princess Di posted:I still like you. 
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bump_fn posted:quoting this to say : point out classism (dont call ir racism or they wont listen) in peoples opinions of WV when you talk to them It's harder to talk about West Virginia to people up north here than to people back home When I say poo poo's hosed to the ppl at home, they immediately understand, since they were the people who gave Bernie a landslide victory. Up here in big city ohio, they only know West Virginia as cousin loving and racism. Apparently you guys don't learn about the role of unions in American politics in high school like we do
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i normally thump a tub about race itt but i have definitely seen some nauseating poo poo from Sensible Liberals Who Are Definitely Good And Smart Look At This Graph I Have talking about poor white people and it's surreal how they manage to finish their thoughts without realising what they're doing. it's the same creepy feeling you get when pleasant europeans suddenly become klansmen when discussing roma it's not racist (poor whites, not roma), but because it's not racist the filters they're used to applying to what they say don't apply
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Peel posted:i normally thump a tub about race itt but i have definitely seen some nauseating poo poo from Sensible Liberals Who Are Definitely Good And Smart Look At This Graph I Have talking about poor white people and it's surreal how they manage to finish their thoughts without realising what they're doing. it's the same creepy feeling you get when pleasant europeans suddenly become klansmen when discussing roma excuse me have you signed this petition to the electoral collage to derelict their duties
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bump_fn posted:please just remember the rules of engagement: empathize with people you are listening to, do not poo poo on them, and explain how actual progressive plans can help everyone Empathy is going to be really important going forward. But, like I've said, that work is on us with the privilege because I can't ask somebody who has stopped wearing their hijab in response to threats to exercise their empathy right now. I'm a white cisgendered het man from Kentucky. I can speak to my people with empathy and I must. Here is the book on Amazon, White Trash: Race and Class in America I was wrong, there isn't a bell hooks essay in there, though she is mentioned often. I will try to track down the essay about white poverty that I'm misremembering as being in this collection. Neeksy posted:Would the idea of "intersectionality" be a useful concept to push or has that gotten twisted by this point? I try to use it when talking to working-class white folks. I tell them that my experience of poverty is different from a black person's experience of poverty but always make it clear that you aren't erasing their poverty and use first-person when possible. So, I say that I would wait with black folks in the urgent care center, so we're both experiencing the troubles of having no insurance and having to wait until things were really bad before we sought medical care, but if we needed pain management, that studies show that docs are much more trusting that white patients are legitimately reporting their pain needs than black patients. I couldn't afford to pay my fine for driving when I had no driver's license but the cop let me go that night with my friend driving the car instead of me. Wouldn't happen if I were black. So, I think there are ways to talk about intersectionality in a generative way that acknowledges that poo poo is still really loving bad for poor white folks.
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Gringostar posted:everyone deserves a job that can support a family You are not concerned about identity politics because it's not your identity that's maligned to the point that even global systemic benefit may still not be enough to benefit your people at all. I can't believe that people keep repeating what is a Breitbart sourced legit racist dog whistle to dismiss social concerns. If people don't want to see where racism intersected with the loss of this election, and if no one wants to accept that voter antipathy was also antipathy about racism and that voter suppression delivered a lot of needed votes into the dust, then the coalition will only shrink as minorities leave the cause due to becoming convinced that it doesn't care about them. If you want to trade in the minority vote for the rust belt vote cause hey those problems aren't mine anyway, then there will be a new invisible voting bloc in the leftist electorate. Good luck getting back the government at that point.
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Smoking Crow posted:It's harder to talk about West Virginia to people up north here than to people back home I grew up in coastal city la la land stronghold of liberal Democrats and we definitely do not learn about organized labor at all.
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Peel posted:i normally thump a tub about race itt but i have definitely seen some nauseating poo poo from Sensible Liberals Who Are Definitely Good And Smart Look At This Graph I Have talking about poor white people and it's surreal how they manage to finish their thoughts without realising what they're doing. it's the same creepy feeling you get when pleasant europeans suddenly become klansmen when discussing roma OMG yes A british guy called me racist for being american and then said all the travellers should be deported
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Racism is when you apply base assumptions, especially negative behavioral ones, based on something as retarded as melanin content or eye shape or what have you So I don't know where this idea that you can't be racist to whites simply because the bourgeoise is disproportionally white comes from.
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Justin Tyme posted:"Intersectionality? what the gently caress does that mean? sounds like stupid ivory tower liberal garbage" - a poor working class person You're right. I think the best way to talk about these things is to strip away the academicese and just talk to them about these things in ordinary speech. Which is part of why I think this election is a death sentence for academia because we find it really hard to stop trying to impress people with our vocabularies and esoterica. Theory without consideration to practice is dead.
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I don't know about this Bernie 2020 talk. I love Bernie and all, but he's going to be so old. He was already old in 2016. Turns out, in 2020, he may be even older.
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NumberLast posted:I grew up in coastal city la la land stronghold of liberal Democrats and we definitely do not learn about organized labor at all. GOOGLE MATEWAN GOOGLE BLAIR MOUNTAIN
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