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Rexicon1 posted:Barreling into it with a good goddamn reason. This thread is just as poisonous as that poo poo on CSPAM and is loving detrimental to causes I've been working most of my adult life to change. And part of it is real goddamn anger at a bunch of half-woke children having their hugbox disturbed by an opinion that isn't "said the right way". Glad you are here to rescue us Fredrick Douglass
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K Prime posted:saying that racism is not a rational thing isn't letting anyone off the hook for anything. racism is irrational. It is not affected by facts. you don't reason someone into racism. trying to treat it as a rational thing is only going to lead you down an increasingly wrong path. Right. Everybody is irrational in some way. We are not perfect rational actors all the time. There is nothing rational about a lot of the poo poo we do but we still do it.
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K Prime posted:saying that racism is not a rational thing isn't letting anyone off the hook for anything. racism is irrational. It is not affected by facts. you don't reason someone into racism. trying to treat it as a rational thing is only going to lead you down an increasingly wrong path. Racism is completely rational if you benefit from a racist system.
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Fluffdaddy posted:Glad you are here to rescue us Fredrick Douglass Get out.
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Fluffdaddy posted:Glad you are here to rescue us Fredrick Douglass speaking of anybody tried full beard with natural fro out look cause im starting to think about it
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Rexicon1 posted:Barreling into it with a good goddamn reason. This thread is just as poisonous as that poo poo on CSPAM and is loving detrimental to causes I've been working most of my adult life to change. And part of it is real goddamn anger at a bunch of half-woke children having their hugbox disturbed by an opinion that isn't "said the right way". Your first post in the thread was telling people upset that leftists were pushing PoC aside that their feelings were nonexistent- that everyone is totally acknowledging racism. Ignore all the white leftists who suddenly care a lot more about the white working class than they did yesterday. Your second post was telling someone who gave you a gentle warning to shut the gently caress up and claiming your behavior was their fault. The poison here is not the thread.
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Rexicon1 posted:Barreling into it with a good goddamn reason. This thread is just as poisonous as that poo poo on CSPAM and is loving detrimental to causes I've been working most of my adult life to change. And part of it is real goddamn anger at a bunch of half-woke children having their hugbox disturbed by an opinion that isn't "said the right way". So if it is that poisonous, then why the hell are you still here? Seriously, we aren't messing with you. If you dislike the thread, you can leave at any time.
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Monaghan posted:Racism is completely rational if you benefit from a racist system. Sure, but as far as can be told the people who go "I'mma go be intentionally racist today for profit!" are few and far between. Most racists are racists on a level that doesn't engage the frontal lobes at all. Racism gets learned at, and with the same level of sticking in the head, as when you learn that fire is hot and you don't touch it. It takes a long time to wrestle out. K Prime fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Nov 13, 2016 |
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K Prime posted:Your second post was telling someone who gave you a gentle warning to shut the gently caress up and claiming your behavior was their fault. To be fair the entire and only reason he posted here is because he heard I did and he has a weird grudge against me. So it partly is my fault. I'm sorry I inadvertently brought this to Negrotown, guys. Who What Now fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Nov 13, 2016 |
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Rudoku posted:What the hell is going on here? 1) newly educated idiot with a white savior complex wanders into USPol and tries to call people out in the style of gfsincere and TB, but whiffs very badly 2) target gets pissed off enough about it to follow him back here, where he manages to have the whole thread turn on him instantaneously with a dumb post
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Sharkopath posted:The scary thing about progressives downplaying racism as of import to this election is that it almost feels like a missing the forest for the trees blind spot. There are definitely people doing that, but there are also people who are only trying to say that it wasn't the deciding factor in the election. The second group are concerned that if the Democrats decide racism, generally, is the only reason they lost this election; the party won't be able to fix its problems by 2018 or 2020.
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Crab Destroyer posted:There are definitely people doing that, but there are also people who are only trying to say that it wasn't the deciding factor in the election. The second group are concerned that if the Democrats decide racism, generally, is the only reason they lost this election; the party won't be able to fix its problems by 2018 or 2020. If it does turn out to be just the starting signs of a wave of populist right wing thought that becomes more tenable under a trump presidency it's gonna be big trouble if you aren't prepared with a real strong counter is all I'm saying.
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K Prime posted:Your first post in the thread was telling people upset that leftists were pushing PoC aside that their feelings were nonexistent- that everyone is totally acknowledging racism. Ignore all the white leftists who suddenly care a lot more about the white working class than they did yesterday. My first post was a response to someone complaining specifically about something I said that he misconstrued into oblivion. Perhaps my wording was incorrect in saying that no one was saying that, I know that there is a strong cohort of racists in this forum who have trouble with this. And, again, as a person of color, I think that there really needs to be some reflection on how we are actually going to change the white working class perception of things. Saying all this stuff about "no one can be convinced if they vote for trump etc." is fatalist and will only lead to further defeat. My second post was a response to what I felt was someone squelching my voice on a forum I tend to frequent and find a place to express myself.
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Who What Now posted:To be fair the entire and only reason he posted here is because he heard I did and he has a weird grudge against me. So it partly is my fault. I'm sorry I inadvertently brought this to Negrotown, guys. You, a white guy calling me a poc "insufficiently racially aware" is what brought me into here where you were whining that the world is SO TOUGH FOR THOSE PEOPLE OH MY GOD. You don't know the half of it you little goddamn child. gently caress you.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:1) newly educated idiot with a white savior complex wanders into USPol and tries to call people out in the style of gfsincere and TB, but whiffs very badly Tell me more about my white savior complex. I didn't know I could have one as poc but sure. Go for it. e: You ignorant loving twits are actually telling me that my voice doesn't matter. Actual loving racism from the negrotown thread. I thought Racism 101 wasn't being taught here? Weird! I guess you guys need to go to the remedial class then. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Rexicon1 posted:Tell me more about my white savior complex. I didn't know I could have one as poc but sure. Go for it. wrong idiot, you're #2
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Rexicon1 posted:My first post was a response to someone complaining specifically about something I said that he misconstrued into oblivion. Perhaps my wording was incorrect in saying that no one was saying that, I know that there is a strong cohort of racists in this forum who have trouble with this. And, again, as a person of color, I think that there really needs to be some reflection on how we are actually going to change the white working class perception of things. Saying all this stuff about "no one can be convinced if they vote for trump etc." is fatalist and will only lead to further defeat. This isn't just a white working class issue. Whites across all classes voted for Trump. Likewise, I don't think I need to coddle people to gain equal rights. It isn't our job to change people's minds. Because saying some simple loving poo poo like Black Lives Matter is automatically turned into a racist thing. So no, it isn't from lack of understanding that racists are being racist.
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Rexicon1 posted:Tell me more about my white savior complex. I didn't know I could have one as poc but sure. Go for it. You could call this tone policing but dude, you've been going in hard at people in this thread. There's nothing wrong with playing devil's advocate to foster a constructive dialogue or conversation on a topic but you're going for the jugular with every single post and I'm sure you're aware that belaboring people with inflammatory remarks isn't going to bring others to your side.
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Like, the key thing is that racism is systemic. Until racism is systemically fought, it hardly matters how many individual minds you change- (not that you shouldn't try, because improving small circumstances is still improvement)- the systemic effects will create a new generation of irrational racists. It will be educated into the children and their children's children. Society perpetuates it in the same way as weird love of the flag and apple pie.
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K Prime posted:Sure, but as far as can be told the people who go "I'mma go be intentionally racist today for profit!" are few and far between. Most racists are racists on a level that doesn't engage the frontal lobes at all. To give you an idea of how ingrained that poo poo is, even people with severe dementia or Alzheimer's, who have lost all other means of expressing themselves, still know almost every slur they ever learned. Ask any nurse who's worked with dementia patients or even people who have had relatives who had similar issues and it's a depressingly common observation.
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Crab Destroyer posted:There are definitely people doing that, but there are also people who are only trying to say that it wasn't the deciding factor in the election. The second group are concerned that if the Democrats decide racism, generally, is the only reason they lost this election; the party won't be able to fix its problems by 2018 or 2020. This (getting ready to open myself up for the firing squad, but I'll deserve it I guess) is the view I take on it. I think people are confusing the inputs and the outputs of voting for Trump and it's creating a lot of controversy that hangs people up. Why would people vote for Trump? 1. General straight-ticket voter partisanship, regardless of who the Republican candidate is. 2. Actual concern over the economy, national security and other legitimate issues that they feel Trump would address better (mixed in with a bit of reason one). 3. "gently caress YOU GOT MINE" - Trump and the Republican agenda will make these voters wealthier and unlock all their dearest fantasies of getting to lord it over everyone. Kind of ties in with reason two, but with more overt and raw self-interest. 4. "Trump will make sure minority heads get cracked!" - Which is the one that I think people overplay but (but but but!) has an important bearing I will outline. The first three reasons don't have to be overtly, explicitly, intentionally racist, while the fourth one is. But the end result is all the same, because even if you're not explicitly voting with intent to hurt, say, PoC, you're disregarding the potential for such that comes with a Trump presidency. Something akin to the parable of the scorpion and the frog writ large on the American political stage, basically, where you should know the nature of the critter you're riding on (or harnessing, for that matter), but do it anyway because you really think it won't actually sting. It's like voting for something called the Happy Clown Party, who are all about living wages and social justice and protecting the environment, with everyone getting a free DQ sundae every Sunday...and oh yeah, they've consistently believed very much in reducing the age of consent to four years of age for decades. Maybe you can overlook it and hope it's not really that big a deal for them, but welp, it's always kind of hanging out there in the background of every election campaign regardless. A Trump presidency with Republican congress opens the door for government regulations, laws, and protections to be rolled back. This will likely hurt PoC, women, sexual minorities, the poor, and all the overlaps between those groups. A Trump presidency opens the door for policy actions that aren't overtly targeted at minorities (yes, yes, but "benefit of the doubt" and all that), but will hurt them most because they target the areas of society they've been boxed into most. And finally, a Trump presidency (lets face it), does open the door for dogwhistle policies that are meant to hurt a particular group because some right-wing butthole representative or senator has a malicious (or worse, vainglorious) idea of a problem group that needs a legislative fix to "be better". So am I off-base to say, for everyone, that this is what is meant by a Trump victory being propelled by racism? That even if you, or those you personally know, or some large swath of the abstract "Trump vote" didn't vote out of malicious racism, that background existence of it that has always been riding along in the Republican party suddenly got a chance to move to the front passenger seat, and maybe even get to sit in the driver's lap and turn the wheel? Is this the correct interpretation, and does it maybe help to clear up all the static maybe?
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Monaghan posted:Racism is completely rational if you benefit from a racist system. Only you benefit more from a racist system than you would from a not racist one, and information about the cost/benefits of not being racist isn't exactly in wide supply.
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Sharkopath posted:speaking of anybody tried full beard with natural fro out look cause im starting to think about it I've had a fro of some sort with a goatee for about 20 years but I got tired of blowing it out. I don't grow a good beard either 
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Rush Limbo posted:To give you an idea of how ingrained that poo poo is, even people with severe dementia or Alzheimer's, who have lost all other means of expressing themselves, still know almost every slur they ever learned. And the studied reason this is is that that the last thing to go, what sticks until the absolute last, is stuff that is steeped in emotion. What I am saying is, racism is learned like an emotion, not like a fact or a memory. It gets way into your lizard brain and it sticks there, piggybacking off other emotions. That's what is meant by "racism is irrational." It isn't that it isn't a thing we can see and analyze- it is that it makes people irrational in the same way as being angry, or sad. It magnifies feelings of being angry or sad or whatever negatives you want to insert and gives them a target. That's why poo poo like this works: https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/797572029469917184 Racism piggybacked on fear, ingrained by a society that teaches from birth that being white means you get the pick of the litter. K Prime fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Nov 13, 2016 |
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Well, looks like someone got lost in Negrotown and started shouting nonsense and got escorted out.Rush Limbo posted:To give you an idea of how ingrained that poo poo is, even people with severe dementia or Alzheimer's, who have lost all other means of expressing themselves, still know almost every slur they ever learned. I worked with people with dementia and got called a friend of the family SO many times by people who couldn't remember poo poo else. Their name, their family members names, the current year, their age, nothing. But they drat sure remembered that I was a friend of the family. Racism is taught from the womb, and reinforced throughout a white person's life by family and society. e: white folks just handing money to lowtax like crazy.
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Some of my coworkers are standing around joking and thinking they're being so funny right now: "no, you can totally say [that word] now, look who's the president. You can totally go join the KKK now too, it'll be fine". I just want so much to scream at them right now.
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yeah I'm not loving shocked that fragile rear end white people are blaming black folks for their own oppression. it's our loving fault for being uppity. and for anyone in doubt thats 100% absolutely what the text conveys and I can guess 100% who loving bought it you thin skinned glass boned moron.
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Koalas March posted:yeah I'm not loving shocked that fragile rear end white people are blaming black folks for their own oppression. The fact that there are so many racists lurking in the black thread always confirms for me the sheer jealousy some white people have over blackness. They want to be black so bad, but can't so they hate on it instead. That inferiority complex is very strong.
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Most red text titles say more about the person who bought it than about the person who has it. negromancer posted:The fact that there are so many racists lurking in the black thread always confirms for me the sheer jealousy some white people have over blackness. They want to be black so bad, but can't so they hate on it instead. That inferiority complex is very strong. White people want to be black? How do?
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Forceholy posted:Most red text titles say more about the person who bought it than about the person who has it. It's true. I take a little bit pride in mine, knowing I most likely got it from telling some GBS racist to gently caress off in USPOL. Something Awful has always been kind of a hellhole re: race, but goddamn is it becoming visible nowadays.
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The Shortest Path posted:It's true. I take a little bit pride in mine, knowing I most likely got it from telling some GBS racist to gently caress off in USPOL. That is pretty much the internet at large now. All the places where it was lurking just under the surface have basically exploded.
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negromancer posted:I worked with people with dementia and got called a friend of the family SO many times by people who couldn't remember poo poo else. Their name, their family members names, the current year, their age, nothing. Maybe you're aware of this already, but there's some interesting neuroscience underlying swearing: quote:... Bergen’s favorite model patient suffered from aphasia, or language impairment due to brain damage. This patient was a priest who had a stroke in 1843, after which he could not speak. But oh boy could he curse. Your demented patients might have lost so much mental function that they were primarily communicating with the reptilian portion of the brain that controls swearing and voting for Donald Trump.
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Forceholy posted:Most red text titles say more about the person who bought it than about the person who has it. I mean, think about why they use "cuck" as an insult so much and are obsessed with black people, specifically black men. It don't take a mathematician to add that poo poo up.
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Forceholy posted:White people want to be black? How do? this is a motherfucking joke right. there have been movies made about this. there are literal women augmenting their bodies RIGHT NOW to look like black owmen without the baggage of being black. you have fashion magazines pionerring people like Kylie Jenner and Katy Perry for using trends that black women have used for years and "inventing them"
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I thought the use of the word gently caress had to do not only with the alt right beliefs of black people, but also their ideas about masculinity and the nature of women.
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Forceholy posted:I thought the use of the word gently caress had to do not only with the alt right beliefs of black people, but also their ideas about masculinity and the nature of women. All of the above. Alt-righters are usually young white men who expected the world to bow before them, and are stunned this was not the case. They deal with their feelings of inadequacy joining echo chambers that blame it all on everybody else. Women, minorities, LGBT people, "race traitors", somebody else is always there to explain why they aren't taking their "rightful" place. Latching onto white supremacy and often outright Nazism to boost protect their fragile egos and fears. Being angry and hateful is empowering and energizing in a twisted way, so they go for that instead of having to face the introspection that risks destroying their idea of self worth. Just look at alt-right "hero" Milo Y. He's a self-loathing gay man taking out his inability to accept himself on everyone else so that he can fill the yawning void that is is miserable soul with the adulation of those who wish to use him as validation of their own biases. Geostomp fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Nov 13, 2016 |
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Panzeh posted:Honestly y'all don't need to be in a coalition if you have no understanding of marxism-leninism or the way you sold out the communist party in the 50s. 
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