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Princess Di posted:I drink the tears of the usurpers. 
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Venom Snake posted:Maybe that's why I'm here and me and my family are trying to unfuck things now? Perhaps it's because there has been a revelation of sorts? is it a revelation? or is it a bunch of hacks desperately trying to keep their jobs when they see which way the wind is blowing
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Terror Sweat posted:is it a revelation? or is it a bunch of hacks desperately trying to keep their jobs when they see which way the wind is blowing it can be both and that's fine
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Zikan posted:civil war update Harry Reid endorses Keith Ellison?  
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Terror Sweat posted:is it a revelation? or is it a bunch of hacks desperately trying to keep their jobs when they see which way the wind is blowing So we shouldn't try to convince other people to see it our way? Is that it? You have to realize that yes, we need to listen to the people down low, but completely ignoring the people who have experience is also a losing proposition. e: It's why I'm saying we should bring back Howard Dean into some sort of strategy role. He orchestrated 2006 and 2008, then stepped down.
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also lol if you don't think black people have completely valid reasons to be distrusting of the gov't re: healthcare/vaccines.
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iospace posted:So we shouldn't try to convince other people to see it our way? Is that it? I could do with this because funding~
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Nov 13, 2016 17:58
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you could have dean as a cochair
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Zikan posted:imo i strongly suspect based on past events that there are more last-stand neoliberals than there are DNC chairs. DWS was not the problem, the problem was a bunch of clueless motherfuckers looking at her and going "yep, everything here is fine and good and all these people screaming otherwise are just being excessively negative, haters gonna hate lol" while cashing checks working in what was nominally a political position and what is actually just graft. if it weren't for those people DWS would not have been a problem. ellison heading the DNC is to structural reform like lena dunham crying and rocking back and forth in the fetal position under the showerhead is to personal political evolution: a good start on the road to where we need to be, but not really addressing the fundamental issue which is that the whole thing is terrible and likely requires Robocop-levels of invasive surgery.
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Zikan posted:you could have dean as a cochair *sucks air through teeth* well ill be leaving this thread for a while [puts on hazmat suit and seals you all in within the reactor] 
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I mean I don't loving want that dont get me wrong
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Nov 13, 2016 18:03
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iospace posted:e: It's why I'm saying we should bring back Howard Dean into some sort of strategy role. He orchestrated 2006 and 2008, then stepped down. he stepped down into a pharma lobbying position and is a nontrivial reason why the ACA is dog trash lmao im a vermonter who was proud to write the man in for my first dem primary but jesus christ he's toxic today.
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bump_fn posted:it can be both and that's fine no it isnt, the dnc needs passion, not a bunch of bottom feeders and yes men
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Terror Sweat posted:no it isnt, the dnc needs passion, not a bunch of bottom feeders and yes men i'm talking about people who have been in politics and know how the sausage gets made but care and want the dems to move in the correct direction.
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Nov 13, 2016 18:05
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Well then visit your drat local meetings. Don't just shitpost on twitter about it
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Fiction posted:Well then visit your drat local meetings. Don't just shitpost on twitter about it extremely this
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Willie Tomg posted:he stepped down into a pharma lobbying position and is a nontrivial reason why the ACA is dog trash lmao And if you saw all my other posts about Dean, I say, "Keep him strategy only." Right now, there needs to be three things: 1. A clear policy direction. Ellison can deliver this. 2. A clear, effective strategy. Dean can help here, and listen to Bill Clinton on it. 3. Money. We have a massive warchest left over. As much as "OH, WE NEED MONEY OUT OF POLITICS", we still need some money to get poo poo done. Do we need as much money as we did this year? gently caress no, but we do need it.
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bump_fn posted:i'm talking about people who have been in politics and know how the sausage gets made but care and want the dems to move in the correct direction.  the reality of the situation is you need some political connections and political capital to grease the axle so some of those neolibs, you can knee cap them but make sure the money flows until there's complete assimilation and independence that the progressives actually seize that connection and political capital to be legitimate enough for people to flock to THEM. why else is schumer endorsing? dude is trying to hide when heads roll and reid dgaf now 
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"the people with experience" created and trusted a mathematical algorithm called Ada, named after Ada King, Countess of Lovelace and arguably one of the first computer programmers ever as so befitted Her Historic Candidacy. of course she had a crippling gambling problem and her first most notable program was a gambling algorithm on a babbage machine she used in an otherwise all-male gambling syndicate, the program didn't work because it was fed faulty data and she almost destroyed her family. she had several extramarital affairs and as part of a deal with one of her almost-certainly-lovers she had to meanwhile the team with no experience won the presidency despite being awful in every respect. considering what experience gets us i'm okay with maybe grassroots shooting from the hip for 4-8 years.
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Lastgirl posted:and reid dgaf now When has Reid ever given a gently caress?
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Willie Tomg posted:"the people with experience" created and trusted a mathematical algorithm called Ada, named after Ada King, Countess of Lovelace and arguably one of the first computer programmers ever as so befitted Her Historic Candidacy. then actually get involved
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iospace posted:2. A clear, effective strategy. Dean can help here, and listen to Bill Clinton on it. horseshit.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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just a reminder that howard dean, a vermont superdelegate, unapologetically voted for hillary early on in the process when vermont went > 85% to bernie. when asked why on twitter, he replied condescendingly. howard dean also went on air to disrespect bernie and his single payer plan even though in the past dean had been supportive of single payer https://theintercept.com/2016/01/14...-dean-lobbyist/ howard dean is an establishment schill and should not have your support
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comedyblissoption posted:just a reminder that howard dean, a vermont superdelegate, unapologetically voted for hillary early on in the process when vermont went > 85% to bernie. when asked why on twitter, he replied condescendingly. no one wants him as chair, but if he could help reproduce his 2005 strategy based on progressive motives that would be good
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bump_fn posted:no one wants him as chair, but if he could help reproduce his 2005 strategy based on progressive motives that would be good This is pretty much my view. I don't want Dean touching policy. I want him running strategy.
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Now I really don't understand the Democratic party its values its principles excetera excetera but why was the dean scream so apocalyptic for Howard Dean?
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Did it make him seem Reckless and angry?
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Unprincipled fucks are bad at the head of things but directing their schmoozing to work for good causes is better than burning everything down with the new movement or whatever trying to get on its feet. It won't be as ideologically pure but it's important to hit the ground running with existing resources to get early victories and legitimatize the new direction.
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comedyblissoption posted:just a reminder that howard dean, a vermont superdelegate, unapologetically voted for hillary early on in the process when vermont went > 85% to bernie. when asked why on twitter, he replied condescendingly. also remember when he said trump had a coke problem lol
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Baloogan posted:Now I really don't understand the Democratic party its values its principles excetera excetera but why was the dean scream so apocalyptic for Howard Dean? It made him look stupid.
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Unprincipled fucks are bad at the head of things but directing their schmoozing to work for good causes is better than burning everything down with the new movement or whatever trying to get on its feet. It won't be as ideologically pure but it's important to hit the ground running with existing resources to get early victories and legitimatize the new direction.
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iospace posted:This is pretty much my view. I don't want Dean touching policy. I want him running strategy. Yeah, I'd be on board with this as well.
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Baloogan posted:Now I really don't understand the Democratic party its values its principles excetera excetera but why was the dean scream so apocalyptic for Howard Dean? He was that cycle's Bernie so everyone climbed to something to make him look dumb and bad so he would go away.
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Unprincipled fucks are bad at the head of things but directing their schmoozing to work for good causes is better than burning everything down with the new movement or whatever trying to get on its feet. It won't be as ideologically pure but it's important to hit the ground running with existing resources to get early victories and legitimatize the new direction. This. bing bong bing SO SIMPLE
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Kithkar posted:It made him look stupid. actually the dean scream owned  my controversial opinion
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Baloogan posted:Now I really don't understand the Democratic party its values its principles excetera excetera but why was the dean scream so apocalyptic for Howard Dean? the dean scream actually wasn't what killed him. it was this: quote:Either way, Dean is seen as having deviated from the narrow parameters in which Israel can be discussed in American politics. That threatens to slow his momentum, dampen his fundraising and tarnish his political reputation.
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2004 was a simpler time when a Dem presidential candidate showing an emotion was a death sentence
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no yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh no yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh ur the yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh
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Lastgirl posted:actually the dean scream owned http://objective.ytmnd.com/
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