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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Someone post the dozens of articles from the Kentucky Governor's race where everyone was like "I know Matt Bevin's only campaign planks were being anti-gay marriage and repealing Obamacare, but I voted for him and now he says he is going to repeal Obamacare in the state and I'm worried because I can't afford my $1,240 diabetes medication without it. Why is this happening?" I want to cry because otherwise I am afraid I'll just laugh.
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greatn posted:Yeah we did gently caress up the aftermath. What I meant was the aftermath seems like what it would have looked like if we weren't involved. Which wasn't optimal, since we were involved.  I'm sorry but this is the most milquetoast way I've ever seen to criticize foreign policy and I find it really funny for some reason.
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We got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Someone post the dozens of articles from the Kentucky Governor's race where everyone was like "I know Matt Bevin's only campaign planks were being anti-gay marriage and repealing Obamacare, but I voted for him and now he says he is going to repeal Obamacare in the state and I'm worried because I can't afford my $1,240 diabetes medication without it. Why is this happening?" if it makes you feel any better he walked that promise back entirely and instead just removed any mention of obamacare from kynect, a totally completely not federally affiliated in any way health insurance
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Nov 13, 2016 19:33
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lol there will be riots when ACA is repealed
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Nov 13, 2016 19:34
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Pack it in folks, they are definitely the same people and there is no point in even trying this progressive poo poo. The Libya intervention - truly the purity test going forward. Real talk though, getting sworn in on Thomas Jefferson's Quran is probably the most bad rear end thing ever.
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Fojar38 posted:lol there will be riots when ACA is repealed the million hoveround march
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https://twitter.com/kashanacauley/status/797564191662018561 I mean, how am I supposed to feel bad for this person.
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Fojar38 posted:lol there will be riots when ACA is repealed loving good. I mean Jesus Christ when the French government tried to gently caress with working hours and wages French unions got out in the streets and threw molotovs at the cops. American union workers sold their own unions out to spite their black neighbors. Like lmao America at least fight for your poo poo.
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Nov 13, 2016 19:36
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Does anyone know how the election would have gone had the if the number of electors each state had was proportional to total population?
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FactsAreUseless posted:I don't think this is true at all. Technological changes have made the world more connected than ever. We can communicate globally, ship globally, and at incredible speed. I'm not saying that everything's going to go all Thomas Friedman, but these things didn't happen because the U.S. allowed immigration or didn't have protectionist tariffs or whatever. You can't roll that back. Automation, communication, transportation, these are concrete physical things that have made globalization possible. I disagree but let's pretend you're right. How then do we solve the problem of American workers loosing jobs and taking pay cuts because Indonesians can be hired instead for  a week? I'm hearing lots of excuses but absolutely nothing in terms of real long term solutions.
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One of the few satisfactions of a Trump administration is knowing that people like this are going to learn political disillusionment the hard way This is also why Trump is going to be a massively unpopular president, because most people don't want what he's selling, not even the people who voted for him
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HorseRenoir posted:One of the few satisfactions of a Trump administration is knowing that people like this are going to learn political disillusionment the hard way He'll blame people losing their insurance on how hard it was to fix Obama's fuckup and people will believe him.
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readingatwork posted:I disagree but let's pretend you're right. How then do we solve the problem of American workers loosing jobs and taking pay cuts because Indonesians can be hired instead for a robust social safety net, subsidized education and job training, and increased union participation being an alien who just came to earth last week and started following local politics, i can see how you may not have heard these proposals before
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Lightning Knight posted:Why is the white American working class more entitled to not be poor? Because they were born this side of an imaginary line and the right skin color?
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boner confessor posted:a robust social safety net, subsidized education and job training, and increased union participation
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HorseRenoir posted:One of the few satisfactions of a Trump administration is knowing that people like this are going to learn political disillusionment the hard way "He'll never win the primary" "He'll never be president" "He'll never get a second term" Honestly I think he has a better chance at political success than people give him credit for. If he gets even one or two real populist reforms through he'll become Jesus Christ overnight, even if everything else he does is terrible. People are just that cynical about the system right now.
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readingatwork posted:I disagree but let's pretend you're right. How then do we solve the problem of American workers loosing jobs and taking pay cuts because Indonesians can be hired instead for And how do we stop the same effect happening to the middle and upper-middle class (which it currently is)?
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Nov 13, 2016 19:47
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readingatwork posted:I disagree but let's pretend you're right. How then do we solve the problem of American workers loosing jobs and taking pay cuts because Indonesians can be hired instead for Emphasize jobs that, at the present time, cannot be outsourced or automated. For example, the trucking industry. A nice, traditional blue collar industry that's currently clamoring for drivers because they don't want to pay people poo poo. Push for unionization and labor reforms and try and get people into that. Some people want to stay local, so do a massive infrastructure push and hire people for that. We need to spend nearly four trillion on our infrastructure to unfuck it, that's a lotta dudes and ladies to hire. Push for public healthcare and reforms to give advantages to small local businesses, and push unionization and labor reform at places like Wal-Mart and McDonald's. Service industry is only lovely and undesirable because we let society paint it as such. Aggressively seek to raise the minimum wage and lower the total workweek hours. They have to hire more people if their workers can only work thirty hours instead of forty. At a certain point the goal is to move towards an economy where people don't have to work, as well. That's kind of far out but we have to realize that at a certain point we either just straight up make poo poo up for people to do, or looking into communism.
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cheese posted:Job training for what? Are 5 million pipe fitters and machinists going to become CS engineers? no, they're going to become robot repairers or automated truck mechanics or whatever. you wouldn't expect them to become tightrope walkers either but if there aren't any pipe-fitting jobs then the personally responsible thing to do is learn to do something else rather than demand that the government bring your job back
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Speaking of Walmart, how many towns and local economies has Walmart singlehandedly destroyed at this point? Between McDonalds and Walmart, I am not sure the government even has a lion's share of blame in many many communities.
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cheese posted:Job training for what? Are 5 million pipe fitters and machinists going to become CS engineers? And what happens to cs engineers wages when 5 million pipe fitters enter their trade. And do we reretrain after we outsource the CS jobs too?
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Lightning Knight posted:Emphasize jobs that, at the present time, cannot be outsourced or automated. For example, the trucking industry. A nice, traditional blue collar industry that's currently clamoring for drivers because they don't want to pay people poo poo. Push for unionization and labor reforms and try and get people into that. Some people want to stay local, so do a massive infrastructure push and hire people for that. We need to spend nearly four trillion on our infrastructure to unfuck it, that's a lotta dudes and ladies to hire. Push for public healthcare and reforms to give advantages to small local businesses, and push unionization and labor reform at places like Wal-Mart and McDonald's. Service industry is only lovely and undesirable because we let society paint it as such. Aggressively seek to raise the minimum wage and lower the total workweek hours. They have to hire more people if their workers can only work thirty hours instead of forty. I like most of those ideas but trucking is an awful example because it's likely to be one of the first industries killed when self-driving cars start becoming a thing.
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They can all become temporary uber drivers until cars become autonomously driven
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Torpor posted:Does anyone know how the election would have gone had the if the number of electors each state had was proportional to total population? eyeballing it, trump would lose 58 electors and clinton would lose 40, not counting maine. 306 vs 232 becomes 248 vs 192.
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Lightning Knight posted:Emphasize jobs that, at the present time, cannot be outsourced or automated. For example, the trucking industry. A nice, traditional blue collar industry that's currently clamoring for drivers because they don't want to pay people poo poo. Push for unionization and labor reforms and try and get people into that. Some people want to stay local, so do a massive infrastructure push and hire people for that. We need to spend nearly four trillion on our infrastructure to unfuck it, that's a lotta dudes and ladies to hire. Push for public healthcare and reforms to give advantages to small local businesses, and push unionization and labor reform at places like Wal-Mart and McDonald's. Service industry is only lovely and undesirable because we let society paint it as such. Aggressively seek to raise the minimum wage and lower the total workweek hours. They have to hire more people if their workers can only work thirty hours instead of forty. The trucking industry is attempting to automate right now you muppet
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I would also argue that at a certain point job losses and rural poverty are a feedback loop. People have no money so there's depressed demand and thus there's no businesses hiring and thus... Creating initial jobs (such as in infrastructure) will blossom into more jobs down the line as new businesses crop up to cater to increased demand. Also tourism. You can't outsource nature. Quit mining and fracking all of your forests and lakes and meadows and get people to come visit and pay you to see your pretty things. Edit: I only used trucking as an example because that's what my parents' background is, chill your poo poo Condiv. Also they might be trying to automate it but it'll probably be at least a decade or two before they do. In 15 years you can go a long way. It's something, which is more than we can presently say. Edit 2: Also push anti-trust laws and break up all these lovely rear end huge corporations that aren't technical monopolies. Wal-Mart can gently caress right off. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Nov 13, 2016 |
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Here's how things work : 1. " I'm sorry you lost your health insurance because we repealed ACA it will take us some time to get things working again because of the damage done by Obama , but don't worry we are concerned so much that we have given you this voucher for a free butterball turkey" 2. " As you can see we built the wall we promised " * shows media pictures of 200 foot long wall ,but not the fact that everything else is fences* 3. " We removed banking regulations to help grow American jobs. The reason the Economy crashed again though was because of the disastrous effects of Obamacare" 4. " Well large crowds of people are a immediate danger to the police and I believe some of them were armed so the police were justified in firing onto the crowd. No, there are no police camera recordings we removed them because they impeded police officers and we wanted our police officers to be able to do the best job they can" Truth is a Lie
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Lightning Knight posted:I would also argue that at a certain point job losses and rural poverty are a feedback loop. People have no money so there's depressed demand and thus there's no businesses hiring and thus... yeah, because america predominantly has a service sector economy, which relies heavily on population density to generate a customer base. this is a primary reason why jobs are concentrated in cities
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I wonder if the DNC could pitch a fit about apportionment in the House. If they accidentally succeed not much changes, but if it gets predictably blocked then you could have the option of de-legitimizing the ruling party's plans. The DNC would have to be pretty crafty and smart to do that, though.
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boner confessor posted:yeah, because america predominantly has a service sector economy, which relies heavily on population density to generate a customer base. this is a primary reason why jobs are concentrated in cities Right, but there are attractions to rural living. It's loving pretty out there man. Have y'all actually seen America? We let the robber barons mine and log all the beautiful places when those people could've spent less time breaking their backs running a gift shop. I realize that's not ~fulfilling~ but it also doesn't disappear on you when the mine closes down. Also I feel that rural areas could sustain micro economies more effectively if not for the monopolization of our country's economy. Ma and Pa can't compete with Wal-Mart or McDonald's. quote:The DNC would have to be pretty crafty and smart to do that, though. Ah yes, the people who bought more ads in LA than WI. Totally crafty enough to rig primaries and out-maneuver left progressives. I feel like that says more about left progressives than anything. 
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You know... we really should have seen Trump coming, when that Microsoft Twitter A.I. morphed into a white supremacist in less than two hours. 
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boner confessor posted:yeah, because america predominantly has a service sector economy, which relies heavily on population density to generate a customer base. this is a primary reason why jobs are concentrated in cities Again, mass immigration from people that wish to flee will help that!
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boner confessor posted:if it makes you feel any better he walked that promise back entirely and instead just removed any mention of obamacare from kynect, a totally completely not federally affiliated in any way health insurance Unfortunately, he also did some other dumb things. - He added coinsurance premiums to Medicaid and made patients responsible for $10 + 25% of their prescription costs. - Added a work requirement to get Medicaid. You can waive this requirement by going to a biweekly "personal responsibility education" workshop. - Changed the administration of the state Medicaid benefits from the state to a private insurer. - Set a 5 year lifetime maximum of years you can be on Medicaid if you are above the poverty line.
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Tatsuta Age posted:https://twitter.com/kashanacauley/status/797564191662018561 Really, it makes perfect sense. Clinton and Trump are both pathological liars. Clinton said she would do good stuff, which means she'll never do it. Trump said he'd enact insane, spiteful bullshit, which means he'll never do it!
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So what happens to Tom Perez now? He's a minority politician with Buffalo style labor roots who is liked by Dems in general and loved by the the left wing of the party. Does he just fade into obscurity at some DNC post when Trump appointee Baron Harkonnen takes over his spot as labor secretary? I sure hope not. Guys like him need to find their way into the spotlight as much as possible. Preferably in elected office.
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HorseRenoir posted:One of the few satisfactions of a Trump administration is knowing that people like this are going to learn political disillusionment the hard way These people will just get taken in again when comes out with his big fancy rally and assures them that he's gonna replace is real soon, just wait, but we gotta make sure that no illegals can game the system anymore.
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Dr Christmas posted:Really, it makes perfect sense. Clinton and Trump are both pathological liars. Clinton said she would do good stuff, which means she'll never do it. Trump said he'd enact insane, spiteful, bullshit, which means he'll never do it! The number of times I've heard basically this from people on both the left and right is depressing.
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AFL-CIO survey seems to back up the idea that Hillary tanked the union vote, which was probably the difference https://twitter.com/WSJThinkTank/status/797873786376900608
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Tatsuta Age posted:https://twitter.com/kashanacauley/status/797564191662018561 you don't have to feel bad for someone to help them off their own petard in the hope that it benefits you via their vote later on.
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