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Lightning Knight posted:How so? When did I argue that we shouldn't deliver on issues that matter to people? Are you mad because I said we need someone who can bullshit still? I don't think you understand just how little you know of the Hispanic and Asian population when you find 60% unacceptable. That 40% benefits from white supremacy in some way, and you shouldn't expect much a shift there. And yes, I think you're pretty condescending towards minorities, ironically enough. Work along labor lines, whatever is left of that.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:08
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Al-Saqr posted:You know, I always thought that being outed as an actual anti-semite in america means that you're life is over and you have no more political prospects. Guess anythings loving possible in 2016! Its going to be great in 2020 as open antisemitism comes across the country watching David Harrowitz apologizing for open nazism.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:08
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Great, he's fine with it. Guess what? The Scalia 2: Hitler Scalia he appoints to the Supreme Court won't be fine with it. And when the Republicans challenge it and bring it up through the courts, Scalia 2 is who makes the decisions, not Trump. Plus a ton of red states will just refuse to grant marriage licenses and the Trump admin won't do anything about it. Don't get distracted by all this media garbage. They're going to say one thing and do another for the next four years. They're going to whisper sweet nothings to reporters because they know us liberal idiots still take legacy media seriously (god knows why). Learn to recognize doublespeak.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:09
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Lightning Knight posted:I would argue that it behooves us to work to make sure there's good minority candidates in every primary. They might not be the best and they might not win but if mysteriously every single time the best candidate is still a white dude we should be disappointed. If a white dude is the best then a white dude is a best, but I'd argue that we should be making sure these things are competitive. as another poster pointed out, I don't know if we have the resources and the bench necessary to do this. We definitely need to increase minority candidates in the dem party though. And we failed on all outreach with Hillary. She relied on loyalty instead of giving people a good reason to vote for her and it cost us. Note for example how blm disappeared from her concerns after bernie was defeated. hell did she ever speak about flint again after that one press conference?
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Nov 14, 2016 01:10
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What matters is that Trump will undoubtedly reinforce the US-Israeli partnership. Bibi will no doubt get everything he could possibly ask for.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:10
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Night10194 posted:Lol, like Reid gives a gently caress. "Fucker I stared down the mob."
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Nov 14, 2016 01:11
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steinrokkan posted:What matters is that Trump will undoubtedly reinforce the US-Israeli partnership. Bibi will no doubt get everything he could possibly ask for. trump will revive american construction by causing a spike of bulldozer exports to israel
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Nov 14, 2016 01:11
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/13/trump-s-man-stephen-bannon-flirts-with-a-le-pen.html Hate as business.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:11
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G-III posted:Trump doesn't but his cabinet who will be running the show sure as poo poo does. Luckily I'm up in the NW where I'm a 3 hours drive away from vancouver, B.C. You won't be able to run. If this comes to pass, either join the resistance and face 2 bloodshed or get used to feeling the nightstick up your rear end. The right-wing had absolutely zero problems screaming for the past eight years that if the government tried to take away their civil rights as Americans, they would rise up in violent revolution. You shouldn't have any issues either.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:12
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Clip-On Fedora posted:https://medium.com/soapbox-dc/democrats-are-about-to-plunge-into-a-civil-war-e2ac6f65eb48#.o9809irrm Wow, this article is garbage.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:12
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Lightning Knight posted:How so? When did I argue that we shouldn't deliver on issues that matter to people? Are you mad because I said we need someone who can bullshit still? The truth is pretty nuanced but Obama definitely had some accomplishments that we never would have seen under Mccain. He had a real hard time with an uncooperative legislature so he was able to pass as much leftist policy as anyone would. He wasn't even able to confirm Merrick for fucks sake. The real issue is how this all appears to the voter who finds their quality of life somewhat diminished over the course of a decade, they associate the party of the president as the party of status quo. The hope and change disappears. I'm not saying they show up and vote trump instead but more likely they just dont show up and vote. I think Bernie lost the primary for many reasons but chief among them were issues with name recognition and the general power/influence of his surrogates, but his messaging was pretty loving good. I'm not sure if his primary loss means that in order to win the presidency we need to focus on having a candidate of a particular gender or ethnicity like you seem to suggest.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:13
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Clip-On Fedora posted:https://medium.com/soapbox-dc/democrats-are-about-to-plunge-into-a-civil-war-e2ac6f65eb48#.o9809irrm I can't believe Bernie Sanders just fired on Fort Sumter.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:14
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the black husserl posted:You won't be able to run. If this comes to pass, either join the resistance and face 2 bloodshed or get used to feeling the nightstick up your rear end. I'm going to get my CCW probably next week, people need to know that minorities especially LGBT people are armed.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:14
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steinrokkan posted:You don't know much about what the Nazis actually thought and did if you think that. Some of the rhetoric is reminiscent of the kind of rhetoric you'd hear from hitler youth types. The stuff about condemning their elders for being hypocrites and sellouts. The aristocratic junker class in Germany hated jews but kept most of the institutionalized anti-semitism and racism towards exclusionary means and ends. Hitler's fanboys condemned not only the jew menace but also these aristocrats for not doing enough about the problem. Archie Bunker hated blacks and as a result moved away from the city to the highway suburb. Nazi kids today are moving back into rust belt cities and condemning their parents and grandparents for ceding "prime real estate" to immigrants and minorities, as well as picking fights in gentrifying rust belt cities. Some of them are even gay/queer. I don't think the average trump voter feels this way, but the internet pepe-industrial complex certainly does.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:14
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the black husserl posted:Great, he's fine with it. Guess what? The Scalia 2: Hitler Scalia he appoints to the Supreme Court won't be fine with it. And when the Republicans challenge it and bring it up through the courts, Scalia 2 is who makes the decisions, not Trump. Scalia 1 was on the court when gay marriage was legalized nationwide
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Nov 14, 2016 01:15
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steinrokkan posted:What matters is that Trump will undoubtedly reinforce the US-Israeli partnership. Bibi will no doubt get everything he could possibly ask for. Some of Israels best friends throughout history have been unrepentant Antisemites. Dont ever think that Israel views antisemitism as an obstacle to finding allies and getting what they want.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:16
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Judakel posted:I don't think you understand just how little you know of the Hispanic and Asian population when you find 60% unacceptable. That 40% benefits from white supremacy in some way, and you shouldn't expect much a shift there. And yes, I think you're pretty condescending towards minorities, ironically enough. Work along labor lines, whatever is left of that. I didn't say it was unacceptable, I said we could do better. Working class whites benefit from white supremacy too, doesn't mean we aren't going to reach out them. Enkmar posted:The truth is pretty nuanced but Obama definitely had some accomplishments that we never would have seen under Mccain. He had a real hard time with an uncooperative legislature so he was able to pass as much leftist policy as anyone would. He wasn't even able to confirm Merrick for fucks sake. The real issue is how this all appears to the voter who finds their quality of life somewhat diminished over the course of a decade, they associate the party of the president as the party of status quo. The hope and change disappears. I'm not saying they show up and vote trump instead but more likely they just dont show up and vote. I mean there are a ton of different reasons Obama didn't deliver on his platform, but the point is that he didn't and then we got spanked in 2010 and never recovered. I don't think we need a minority candidate to win. I think that having minority candidates running on economic populism and class issues would go far to unite minorities and white progressives, however.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:17
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pence side-eyeing him pretty fierce right about now
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Nov 14, 2016 01:17
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the black husserl posted:Great, he's fine with it. Guess what? The Scalia 2: Hitler Scalia he appoints to the Supreme Court won't be fine with it. And when the Republicans challenge it and bring it up through the courts, Scalia 2 is who makes the decisions, not Trump. Just a little history lesson: gay marriage was legalized when Scalia was still alive. Scalia 2 would still be outnumbered 5-4. I understand you're concern but I wouldn't panic unless RBG kicks the bucket.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:18
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Lightning Knight posted:I didn't say it was unacceptable, I said we could do better. Working class whites benefit from white supremacy too, doesn't mean we aren't going to reach out them. Pedantry. Those Hispanics and Asians that benefit are not in the same economic boat as those working class whites.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:18
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Lightning Knight posted:I didn't say it was unacceptable, I said we could do better. Working class whites benefit from white supremacy too, doesn't mean we aren't going to reach out them. I can get behind this. Maybe we also need someone with military experience though, who when America retreats from Europe and Putin invades can say we need to be strong against a pussy coward like Trump.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:20
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In their minds Israeli's aren't "Jews" they are "anti-Muslims" of the highest magnitude
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Nov 14, 2016 01:21
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Condiv posted:as another poster pointed out, I don't know if we have the resources and the bench necessary to do this. We definitely need to increase minority candidates in the dem party though. Actually, the Clinton campaign was in negotiations with BlackLivesMatters leadership all the way through the general and even earned an endorsement from some of the holdouts just before the general.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:22
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Keyser S0ze posted:In their minds Israeli's aren't "Jews" they are "anti-Muslims" of the highest magnitude Also Jesus-Trap bait. But yeah, Israel will still work just fine with Trump given that Netanyahu has repeated the bizarre claim that Hitler just wanted to expel the Jews, not kill them. That was the Muslim's idea.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:24
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Keyser S0ze posted:In their minds Israeli's aren't "Jews" they are "anti-Muslims" of the highest magnitude Think of Israel as Madagascar 2.0 and it makes a lot more sense especially in the context of "cultural war against Islam." I am sure they are hoping "all the Jews" move to Israel and taking up fighting the scourge of Islam.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:25
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Josef bugman posted:On a technical question, what is the difference between sweat shop and slave labour? Wouldn't that be covered under something like (actual) Wage Slavery? Sweat shop laborers can theoretically quit, if they're really into the idea of dying of starvation. Or, in some cases, having their legs broken by moneylenders or something. One horrible thing about sweat shops is that they are often the employees' best option.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:28
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Any idea what job Conway is going to get? Is Press Secretary too low tier?
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Nov 14, 2016 01:28
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I think if he is still alive in 2020 we drag Carter out of retirement and make him run for president because its technically possible.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:29
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Hail to the chief begins playing. Voiceover: Politics is serious business. The results of elections change our lives, our careers, and even our-- Record scratch. Cut to Seth Rogan in tighty whities exhaling weed cloud and coughing. "Did you just say erections?" Cut to news feed of reports of Democratic Party Primary scandal resulting in all candidates dropping out of race. President Dump (Alec Baldwin) to run unopposed. Voiceover: But when the fate of our nation in hangs in the balance only one man has a plan to save it. Seth Rogan: I'm going to find another Obama. How hard can it be? House of Pain - Jump Around begins playing. Cut to Seth Rogan trying to play basketball in a Chicago street game, comically being hooped on by out of shape black janitor (Ice Cube). Ice Cube: Obama? You looking for another Obama? Is that like, the only black guy you know or something? Seth Rogan: Uhhhhh. Cut to Seth Rogan on Harvard Lawn smoking weed with a skinny college student in a fedora (Bruno Mars). Bruno Mars: And so we when lower trade barriers, everyone wins. Seth Rogan: Even the Mexicans? Bruno Mars: Everyone. Seth Rogan: Even the bankers? Bruno Mars: Everyone! Seth Rogan: Not the Jews though right? Bruno Mars: I said bankers... Seth Rogan and Bruno Mars slowly turn to look at each other, then simultaneously: You're Jewish? Me too! Voiceover: This fall, Seth Rogan is-- Music stops. Seth Rogan and Kanye West making eye contact, sweaty, clearly nude from the shoulders up, hands moving out of frame. Both saying "I'm coming. I'm coming. I'M COMING." Cut to film title on black screen. Voiceover: The Party Animal Seth Rogan sitting with Dump. Dump turns to Seth. Both men are in tears. Seth lays his head on Dump's shoulder. Dump: It's okay, I miss him too. Cut to black. ==== Alternate title was "Minority Rapport".
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Nov 14, 2016 01:29
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Lol at people who are trying to convince themselves Trump will be good for economic justice. Or LGBT for that matter regardless of what he's saying about gay marriage. When I wrote my post talking about how is rhetoric has primed a lot of his voters for left-wing stuff, I certainly didn't intend to come across as saying that Trump himself will do anything left wing. For one, during his campaign he was all over the map and now after being elected he's randomly walking all kinds of poo poo back as more people (in the GOP leadership class) explain to him in detail why his plans are unworkable (even the ones that aren't). The man believes in nothing. At the same time, even if he sorta wanted any of that poo poo, he's not going to be running the executive - Pence is. We've already heard the talk about how Trump wants to still spend "as much time as possible" at his tower in NYC than in the White House, moreover he's mentioned already that he wants to continue to do rallies while President. The man will be almost a non-entity in the Executive except for when it comes time to take credit. (Jokes on him, with Pence running the place and with the cabinet picks he's announced so far, the GOP are set to turn America into Brownback's Kansas writ large. There will be little good to take credit for long-term.) The only thing you should take from his campaign is the thing we already knew and were already saying before he got elected: the Republican base doesn't actually give a poo poo about GOP economic talking points. Many of them respond well to dog whistles or, in Trump's case, ordinary whistles, and these people are not even potential allies, but many more of them are down for some economic populism and when this GOP fails to deliver that the Democrats, if they can credibly promise it they will have some success. As for what Democrats should do in the meantime I don't know. It's going to be very hard to split hairs over e.g. an infrastructure bill by pointing out it's just a giveaway to companies to implement toll roads everywhere. If Democrats oppose things that sound good at the surface level but are actually bad, they will lose credibility in the short term, but by supporting them they will dirty their hands and be unable to credibly point out that Trump's economic plans were garbage when / if the 2018 and 2020 elections come round. It's a tough spot to be in.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:30
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Crowsbeak posted:I can get behind this. Maybe we also need someone with military experience though, who when America retreats from Europe and Putin invades can say we need to be strong against a pussy coward like Trump. I'm usually down with someone with military experience on the ticket as they not only know how to lead, but also how to be lead as well. Though I'd like someone with recent military experience. Sandbox experience. Tammy Duckworth might be someone the dems can run as she has military experience written not all over her body (as she lost two legs and nearly an arm) but comes from a military family that stretches back in an unbroken line all the way back to the US Revolutionary War. I'm wary about running yet another woman though. Not because I'm sexist, but because I think it hurt more than it helped Hillary. There was so little talk from pundits about how she'd be the first woman president. No one seemed to care. What I'd like is for the dems to have a serious candidate dogpile like the republicans did. Let them scrap it out and see what happens. Whose ideas rise to the top. We can't handle yet another "coronation" in the primaries. We need new blood. Lots of it. Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Admiral Ray posted:Also Jesus-Trap bait. I'm sorry, w-what did bibi say, exactly? I thought I couldn't hate the man any more than I already do.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:34
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I love the fact that pieces of shits like David Horowitz, and fuckers like him who spent their entire lives destroying countless academics lives (including jewish people) because they looked at israel disapprovingly under the pretense of Anti-Semitism are now going to roll over when an actual unrepentant loud antisemite is in a position of power in the white house. What a bunch of loving Ghouls.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:34
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zegermans posted:Any idea what job Conway is going to get? Is Press Secretary too low tier? Thats probably going to be Milo Yiannopoulos unless theres a rule saying it can't be a brit.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:34
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https://twitter.com/igorvolsky/status/797957100160749568 https://twitter.com/igorvolsky/status/79795772592164044
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Nov 14, 2016 01:35
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Lightning Knight posted:I didn't say it was unacceptable, I said we could do better. Working class whites benefit from white supremacy too, doesn't mean we aren't going to reach out them. Someone needs to step up to the plate and they need to do it soon. Better for all of us if they are a woman, person of color, or both. Whoever it is if they really represent a leftist platform(platform that includes fighting sexism and racism) with a campaign that will win then they have my support because we need a win. One thing is for sure If these figures of deportees being in the multiple millions in the first year are at all true the democratic platform will have to have an extremely strong anti racism message.
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Nov 14, 2016 01:36
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https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/797953260325928960
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Nov 14, 2016 01:36
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Paul Ryan: Medicare Phase-Out will be first priority of new Congress. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/ryan-plans-to-phase-out-medicare-in-2017 quote:Ryan says current beneficiaries will be allowed to keep their Medicare. It's the cord is cut between current and future beneficiaries, everything is fair game. For those entering the system, Ryan proposes phasing out Medicare and replacing it with private insurance with subsidies to help seniors afford the private insurance.
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Glazier posted:I'm going to get my CCW probably next week, people need to know that minorities especially LGBT people are armed. Mahoning posted:Just a little history lesson: gay marriage was legalized when Scalia was still alive. Scalia 2 would still be outnumbered 5-4.
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