Let's Go to the Pokemon Thready Thread

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Ruggington: Apr 21, 2012

Emalde posted:

https://discord.gg/RhbEapR for chatting, because IRC is dead

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Bongo Bill: Jan 17, 2012

Calaveron posted:

Where can I get dusk stones in Y and when should I evolve Doublade

Be careful evolving Doublade before you reach the Move Relearner, because Aegislash stops learning moves by leveling up once it evolves.

# ? Nov 13, 2016 23:15

Araxxor: Oct 20, 2012; My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

Bongo Bill posted:

Be careful evolving Doublade before you reach the Move Relearner, because Aegislash stops learning moves by leveling up once it evolves.

The only moves it loses out on permanently are Tackle, Metal Sound, and Retaliate. It might be worth holding off on using a Dusk Stone for one level to get Night Slash, but its next offensive move, Iron head, comes at level 45, and you should reach the Move Relearner way before then.

So yeah, unless you want Night Slash, use the Dusk Stone as soon as you get Doublade.

# ? Nov 13, 2016 23:22

Calaveron: Aug 7, 2006

Bongo Bill posted:

Be careful evolving Doublade before you reach the Move Relearner, because Aegislash stops learning moves by leveling up once it evolves.

So 56 for sacred sword, right? He learns the shield move on evolve?

# ? Nov 13, 2016 23:22

Araxxor: Oct 20, 2012; My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

Calaveron posted:

So 56 for sacred sword, right? He learns the shield move on evolve?

No, it's a stone evolution, so no moves are learned upon evolving. You'll have to go to the Move Relearner for that one.

Araxxor fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Nov 13, 2016

# ? Nov 13, 2016 23:28

Blaziken386: Jun 27, 2013; I'm what the kids call: a big nerd

Quick question:

The OP posted:

Pokemon Bank update!
You won't be able to use Pokemon Bank with your brand new Sun and Moon games right out of the gate, they'll issue a patch in January that allows you to move Pokemon from Gen 6 forward as well as Pokemon from the Gen 1 VC games to your shiny Gen 7 game. There will not be any backwards compatibility between Gen 6 and 7 because gently caress you.

Does anyone know the source on this? I've been looking for confirmation that Gen 6 & Gen 7 won't be able to trade Pre-Gen7 pokemon between the two, and I wasn't able to find it. The only concrete thing I could find was that pokemon from R/B/Y wouldn't be able to get transferred up until S/M were released, which I understood as "we don't feel like patching ORAS to be able to convert old pokemon into the equivalent modern version (IE - fixing types & splitting the special stat.)"
Wasn't that the whole point of PokeBank? To make it so it wouldn't have to be a one-way trip anymore? I can understand blocking Pokemon that know new moves, but if they're both Pokebank Compatible, then they games shouldn't have any reason to prevent you from sending them back and forth.

Mainly I'm just annoyed by this because Pokemon games have a pattern where the first games in a generation don't have a convenient postgame area with the good move tutors, and I don't want to give that up when breeding competitive pokemon.

# ? Nov 13, 2016 23:39

Calaveron: Aug 7, 2006

So he evolved at level 35 (and learned Nightslash at that level too) so now I can safely evolve him and go to the move relearned (wherever he is I forget please tell me) and get those two moves right

# ? Nov 13, 2016 23:39

BearDrivingTruck: Oct 15, 2011; You see the most shocking sights sometimes

Calaveron posted:

So he evolved at level 35 (and learned Nightslash at that level too) so now I can safely evolve him and go to the move relearned (wherever he is I forget please tell me) and get those two moves right

Relearner is in the town with the windmill that give you access to the Frost Cavern. Bring hear scales.

# ? Nov 13, 2016 23:51

ZenMasterBullshit: Nov 2, 2011; Restaurant de Nouvelles "À Table" Proudly Presents:
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Blaziken386 posted:

Quick question:

Wasn't that the whole point of PokeBank? To make it so it wouldn't have to be a one-way trip anymore?

No the point of Poke Bank was to have somewhere to store your friends from multiple games and bring them up to the new games in mass quantities easier while also having a place to store pokes from your current gen if you want to restart your game for some reason. It was never mean to be this gen-agnostic trading platform and that that should be obvious from the fact that you can't send pokemon back to gen 5.

# ? Nov 13, 2016 23:53

Dabir: Nov 10, 2012

ZenMasterBullshit posted:

No the point of Poke Bank was to have somewhere to store your friends from multiple games and bring them up to the new games in mass quantities easier while also having a place to store pokes from your current gen if you want to restart your game for some reason. It was never mean to be this gen-agnostic trading platform and that that should be obvious from the fact that you can't send pokemon back to gen 5.

Well, no, that's not obvious from the fact that you can't send pokemon back to gen 5. I'm pretty sure the point of the pentagon is to just make a clean break from all previous games for competitive purposes so you're not screwed out of high level play forever because you didn't play that one gamecube game that had Refresh Salamence or didn't put Defog on everything in a gen 4 game. I'd be very surprised if you can't use your gen 6 friends in gen 7 competitive after Bank goes live.

# ? Nov 14, 2016 00:25

Araxxor: Oct 20, 2012; My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

Water Bubble has been discovered to be far better than people initially thought.

In-game description posted:

Water Bubble: Lowers the power of Fire-type moves done to the Pok�mon and prevents the Pok�mon from getting burned.

What it doesn't mention is that this also doubles the Base Power of all Water type moves. This does not include the boost from STAB. As a cherry on top, Araquanid also gets Entrainment.

Araxxor fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Nov 14, 2016

# ? Nov 14, 2016 00:49

Supremezero: Apr 28, 2013; hay gurl

Dr. Fetus posted:

Water Bubble has been discovered to be far better than people initially thought.

What it doesn't mention is that this also doubles the Base Power of all Water type moves. This does not include the boost from STAB. As a cherry on top, Araquanid also gets Entrainment.

Why?!

# ? Nov 14, 2016 00:54

Ruggington: Apr 21, 2012

Dr. Fetus posted:

What it doesn't mention is that this also doubles the Base Power of all Water type moves. This does not include the boost from STAB. As a cherry on top, Araquanid also gets Entrainment.

Lmao

# ? Nov 14, 2016 00:56

Countblanc: Apr 20, 2005; _{Help a hero out!}

jesus christ

# ? Nov 14, 2016 00:57

Pakled: Aug 6, 2011; WE ARE SMART

Dr. Fetus posted:

Water Bubble has been discovered to be far better than people initially thought.

What it doesn't mention is that this also doubles the Base Power of all Water type moves. This does not include the boost from STAB. As a cherry on top, Araquanid also gets Entrainment.

That... seems like it would be important to mention, game freak.

# ? Nov 14, 2016 01:00

Geostomp: Oct 22, 2008; Unite: MASH!!
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Dr. Fetus posted:

Water Bubble has been discovered to be far better than people initially thought.

What it doesn't mention is that this also doubles the Base Power of all Water type moves. This does not include the boost from STAB. As a cherry on top, Araquanid also gets Entrainment.

Well, that makes my decision for a Water teammember so much easier.

# ? Nov 14, 2016 01:01

Blaine the Train: Aug 18, 2006; Choo choo, pardner.

God, I'm so glad. I was super disappointed when I saw Araquanid's offensive stats but I guess they balanced them with this in mind. Weird they don't mention it in the ability description though.

# ? Nov 14, 2016 01:03

Ka0: Sep 16, 2002; AS A PROUD GAMERGATER THE ONLY THING I HATE MORE THAN WOMEN ARE GAYS AND TRANS PEOPLE

I'm hosed because with Primarina and Bruxish that's 3 guaranteed water types on my first team though.

# ? Nov 14, 2016 01:09

Blaziken386: Jun 27, 2013; I'm what the kids call: a big nerd

Dr. Fetus posted:

Water Bubble has been discovered to be far better than people initially thought.

What it doesn't mention is that this also doubles the Base Power of all Water type moves. This does not include the boost from STAB. As a cherry on top, Araquanid also gets Entrainment.

Well, drat. I was planning on getting one of those anyway, because they looked cool as poo poo. Nice to see that it's got a cool ability, too.

Ka0 posted:

I'm hosed because with Primarina and Bruxish that's 3 guaranteed water types on my first team though.

Yeah, my team's gonna be pretty heavily skewed towards a few types as well. From the ones I want, 3 are part fairy, 3 are part bug, and 2 are part water. But eh, what the heck. Even with type weakness, the story part of pokemon games is rarely that challenging.

# ? Nov 14, 2016 01:14

OneDeadman: Oct 16, 2010; [SUPERBIA]

My child Wishiwashi will be strongest in his protective bubble

# ? Nov 14, 2016 01:18

limp dick calvin: Sep 1, 2006; Strepitoso. Vedete? Una meraviglia.

Are there any benefits of buying the dual pack of both games other than getting myself a poo poo ton of Pok�mon to play? And I guess potions?

# ? Nov 14, 2016 01:22

Blazing Zero: Sep 7, 2012; *sigh* sure. it's a weed joke

Consummate Professional posted:

Are there any benefits of buying the dual pack of both games other than getting myself a poo poo ton of Pok�mon to play? And I guess potions?

dont you get a cheaper price by getting both games separately?

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spit on my clit: Jul 19, 2015; by Cyrano4747

Only about 2000 coins to go until I can get Porygon :negative:

# ? Nov 14, 2016 01:41

Boomstick Quaid: Jan 28, 2009

Araquanid also gets power split which for the most part will always raise your attack and lower your oppenent's, which will make those liquidations hit even harder

# ? Nov 14, 2016 02:00

Araxxor: Oct 20, 2012; My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

The -ate abilities have been nerfed. They got reduced from a 1.3 multiplier to a 1.2 multiplier. Yes, this includes Galvanize.

Oh, Normalize counts as an -ate ability now, so it actually got buffed in that case. :v:

# ? Nov 14, 2016 02:09

Countblanc: Apr 20, 2005; _{Help a hero out!}

have the people who got to play early found the move relearner yet? i see a lot of mons have level 0 stuff that looks real good, when can you get those?

# ? Nov 14, 2016 02:26

Ethiser: Dec 31, 2011

Dr. Fetus posted:

The -ate abilities have been nerfed. They got reduced from a 1.3 multiplier to a 1.2 multiplier. Yes, this includes Galvanize.

Oh, Normalize counts as an -ate ability now, so it actually got buffed in that case.

Finally, the Delcatty based meta we have all been waiting for.

# ? Nov 14, 2016 02:28

Calaveron: Aug 7, 2006

Stupid Aegislash why did you forget your coolass high powered high reward when situational moves for loving Tackle

# ? Nov 14, 2016 02:42

PSWII60: Jan 7, 2007; All the best octopodes shoot fire and ice.

Does anybody have the link to the list of new moves?

EDIT: To clarify, I mean that bigass list of all the pokemon and what moves they can learn in SuMo.

PSWII60 fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Nov 14, 2016

# ? Nov 14, 2016 02:56

mabels big day: Feb 25, 2012

Dr. Fetus posted:

Water Bubble has been discovered to be far better than people initially thought.

What it doesn't mention is that this also doubles the Base Power of all Water type moves. This does not include the boost from STAB. As a cherry on top, Araquanid also gets Entrainment.

# ? Nov 14, 2016 03:14

Decus: Feb 24, 2013

PSWII60 posted:

Does anybody have the link to the list of new moves?

EDIT: To clarify, I mean that bigass list of all the pokemon and what moves they can learn in SuMo.

Smogon has everything aggregated. Note that both lists have errors in egg moves and beyond that you're unlikely to have access to some of them until January. Island scans exist, but don't think anybody has figured out the logic behind them yet in terms of whether they're random, semi-random or set.

# ? Nov 14, 2016 04:37

tbp: Mar 1, 2008; DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN

mabels big day posted:

My bad. Replace Garchomp with Infernape.

108 / 346 is a pretty notable speed tier including nape keldeo terrakion cobalion

# ? Nov 14, 2016 04:38

tbp: Mar 1, 2008; DU WIRST NIEMALS ALLEINE MARSCHIEREN

im really glad as wel that talonflame is garbage now, because it was a weirdly matchup based mons when using the taunt wisp set, which beat its "counters" like 80% of the time

# ? Nov 14, 2016 04:46

Eox: Jun 20, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

Entrainment works on megas, right? I can give my main man M-Swampert water bubble?

Rain teams just got a whole lot better.

# ? Nov 14, 2016 04:47

Countblanc: Apr 20, 2005; _{Help a hero out!}

Decus posted:

Smogon has everything aggregated. Note that both lists have errors in egg moves and beyond that you're unlikely to have access to some of them until January. Island scans exist, but don't think anybody has figured out the logic behind them yet in terms of whether they're random, semi-random or set.

well i see a reference to a move relearner in the story text but nothing saying where it is, oh well

# ? Nov 14, 2016 04:49

Decus: Feb 24, 2013

Water Bubble Hydro Vortex crit in the rain.

The research thread is worth a read too. Burn Up is really interesting and seems well-implemented all around. Water Bubble working on z-moves sounds more questionable.

Decus fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Nov 14, 2016

# ? Nov 14, 2016 04:53

DACK FAYDEN: Feb 25, 2013; Bear Witness

Decus posted:

Water Bubble Hydro Vortex crit in the rain.

The research thread is worth a read too. Burn Up is really interesting and seems well-implemented all around. Water Bubble working on z-moves sounds more questionable.

All these mons, lost in time, like Water Bubble Hydro Vortex crits in the rain. Time to die...

# ? Nov 14, 2016 04:57

Plasbad: Oct 2, 2013

So it looks like Dunsparce is getting some love. It learns Body Slam, Air Slash, and Dragon Rush by level up now.

# ? Nov 14, 2016 05:00

Detective No. 27: Jun 7, 2006

There hasn't been backwards compatibility since gen 2. Dunno why anyone would have expected any different this time.

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Countblanc: Apr 20, 2005; _{Help a hero out!}

Aurora Veil stacking with screens is unexpected

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