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Mons Hubris posted:What would it take to allow the military to fire on American citizens on US soil, out of curiousity? Telling the soldiers the crowd of protesters are pretending to be veterans.
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Mons Hubris posted:What would it take to allow the military to fire on American citizens on US soil, out of curiousity? A civil war
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Grouchio posted:So what would Bannon most likely do as Chief Strategist? Isn't Trump strongly in favor of Israel? There was a HBO documentary that accidentally ended up being sent back to the past through time travel shenanigans as to what Bannon probably wishes to do. quote:What would it take to allow the military to fire on American citizens on US soil, out of curiousity? In theory it would take something that seriously suspends Posse Comitatus so long as the government gives a poo poo about pretending to be the legal government. In practice, the National Guard is, afaik, not covered by PC, but the National Guard also tends to be where the poors are nowadays, with the actual army trending very middle class, the opposite was true at the time of Kent state with the NG being the old boys' club then. In practice, they might also just stop pretending they give a poo poo considering Trump is a man who thought the chinese handled Tian an men too lightly.
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Agnosticnixie posted:There was a HBO documentary that accidentally ended up being sent back to the past through time travel shenanigans as to what Bannon probably wishes to do.
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Shouldn't you guys be talking about a more ground-up approach to rebuilding your party? I didn't vote for Trump, but stop assuming that everyone who did is stupid by saying you need a "bullshitter". Speaking as a working class guy from a working class family, the appeal of Bernie was his authenticity and background. He knew what it was like to get the power shut off on him because he couldn't pay the bill. He knew what it was like to try to survive while unemployed. He was willing to put his body and his life on the line for the rights of others at a time when he could easily have lived very comfortably instead. All those silly jobs that he did before he became a politician? Those aren't the harebrained socialist misadventures that certain people might have you believe. To someone like me, those are the obvious signs of someone who has had to do anything to make ends meet. The guy started his campaigns flying coach. He's popular because he knows what it's like to be poor and he shows it. He didn't forget where he came from, mostly. Instead of bullshitting people, concentrate on making the democratic party more democratic by engaging people directly. I'd suggest getting back to that. Authentic representation is what draws people. Strengthen the equality platform with real representation by having groups vote and identify their own needs among their community and then add that to the party platform. Have local chapters all the way up to state and the national party vote for their party leaders instead of having them picked. Have regular party meetings/meet and greets to bring in local residents to a meeting hall to discuss issues, and vote on party chapter officials etc. Not just townhalls to meet your congressman, but all the party members to hear local concerns. Have more state and national meetings, if this gets too expensive for people to meet in person then do it digitally through local chapters setting up communications equipment to invite all party members to attend if they can. This way barriers are broken down between party members since they meet regularly, and you have a location to allow those without internet access the ability to engage democratically and feel their voices are being heard as well. 20% of the people in this country have no internet access at home, and 30% have no broadband access.
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Mons Hubris posted:What would it take to allow the military to fire on American citizens on US soil, out of curiousity? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P43WZd611WA
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Nov 14, 2016 02:10
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I loving knew he'd do this to make himself look good.
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Arri posted:Shouldn't you guys be talking about a more ground-up approach to rebuilding your party? I didn't vote for Trump, but stop assuming that everyone who did is stupid by saying you need a "bullshitter". Speaking as a working class guy from a working class family, the appeal of Bernie was his authenticity and background. He knew what it was like to get the power shut off on him because he couldn't pay the bill. He knew what it was like to try to survive while unemployed. He was willing to put his body and his life on the line for the rights of others at a time when he could easily have lived very comfortably instead. All those silly jobs that he did before he became a politician? Those aren't the harebrained socialist misadventures that certain people might have you believe. To someone like me, those are the obvious signs of someone who has had to do anything to make ends meet. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3797403
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He can steal so much more. Why bother?
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Gail Wynand posted:You're referring to Conspiracy I assume? Yes. Sorry I know trying to be humorous about a guy who is pretty much the genuine article is likely going to fall flat even in a comedy forum.
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Nov 14, 2016 02:14
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Grouchio posted:So what would Bannon most likely do as Chief Strategist? Isn't Trump strongly in favor of Israel? You should head on over to whatever the current incarnation of the I/P thread to educate yourself on this. Extremist zionists actually have a lot of common ground with white nationalists on anti-muslim issues. Zionism and white nationalism are also very compatible. They believe in separate countries for separate types of people. White nationalists think we should be more like Israel in using force to 14 words it up.
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Arri posted:Shouldn't you guys be talking about a more ground-up approach to rebuilding your party? I didn't vote for Trump, but stop assuming that everyone who did is stupid by saying you need a "bullshitter". Speaking as a working class guy from a working class family, the appeal of Bernie was his authenticity and background. He knew what it was like to get the power shut off on him because he couldn't pay the bill. He knew what it was like to try to survive while unemployed. He was willing to put his body and his life on the line for the rights of others at a time when he could easily have lived very comfortably instead. All those silly jobs that he did before he became a politician? Those aren't the harebrained socialist misadventures that certain people might have you believe. To someone like me, those are the obvious signs of someone who has had to do anything to make ends meet. Plenty of us have beens aying this. We've been opposed by a few posters. Some who do have some overblown if understandable concerns about minorities beingignored. While others are just neoliberal tools, who think we should do everything the same as this election. Oh also we'll eventually win because you see minorities who we occasionly throw scraps will obviously vote for us if we just run on a ticket that fucks them over.
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Arri posted:Shouldn't you guys be talking about a more ground-up approach to rebuilding your party? I didn't vote for Trump, but stop assuming that everyone who did is stupid by saying you need a "bullshitter". Speaking as a working class guy from a working class family, the appeal of Bernie was his authenticity and background. He knew what it was like to get the power shut off on him because he couldn't pay the bill. He knew what it was like to try to survive while unemployed. He was willing to put his body and his life on the line for the rights of others at a time when he could easily have lived very comfortably instead. All those silly jobs that he did before he became a politician? Those aren't the harebrained socialist misadventures that certain people might have you believe. To someone like me, those are the obvious signs of someone who has had to do anything to make ends meet. A good post. Speaking as a bernie supporter turned hillary supporter, that's what gets people fired up. If you talk to trump supporters, they don't like him because he can bullshit. They like him because they believe he isn't lying and hiding behind a mask. Now, I believe he's a liar liar pants-on-fire, but they at least bought it. Authenticity counts. E: I feel dirty for agreeing with crowsbeak. At least as far as my poster tabulation memory serves.
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Nov 14, 2016 02:20
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Is there anybody here that can PM me about Maine's RCV ballot initiative? Or is there a more appropriate thread elsewhere?
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Nov 14, 2016 02:25
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HorseRenoir posted:pence side-eyeing him pretty fierce right about now yeah I don't believe him at all, but I'm hoping that other Republicans do
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Nov 14, 2016 02:26
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I believe that Trump truly doesn't give a poo poo about gay marriage and won't do anything to hurt it. But he also won't do anything to protect it.
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Nov 14, 2016 02:29
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:Now, I believe he's a liar liar pants-on-fire, but they at least bought it. Authenticity counts. Yeah, Trump is very authentic. At the moment he says stuff he is definitely not lying. It's just that he's also not a very bright man and so his opinions conform to those of whoever he last talked to. He also has a desperate crippling need to be liked and so usually will attempt to say things that make people like him, and at the time he says them he has every intention of attempting to follow through. His supporters know he can't really accomplish most of what he says, but they value that he says he wants to. It's an identity politics thing like when there's some conservative 12 year old talking point machine that shows up on Fox & Friends and all the conservatives go, "that kid really gets it!" If you spout enough talking points, even mutually exclusive ones, conservatives will think you're a real conservative. Since making friends with Sean Hannity he has immersed himself in right wing media. Donald Trump is exactly the same as the child talking point machines except he's like 70 years old and a rich guy so he was able to become president.
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lmao I'll believe this when I see it. Only way he's gonna be okay with not getting paid is if his businesses flourish under his Presidency. In which case, who cares? Shimrra Jamaane posted:I believe that Trump truly doesn't give a poo poo about gay marriage and won't do anything to hurt it. But he also won't do anything to protect it. The question is if Pence will be bold enough to make moves with Trump's complete approval. The two seem to have trouble communicating with each other, which should work just great in the White House! 
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I actually believe Trump isn't anti-gay marriage. Frankly, he doesn't seem to be against the LGBT community. He also doesn't seem to want to defend it. Like most people from his region who aren't members of it, he's indifferent to it.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I believe that Trump truly doesn't give a poo poo about gay marriage and won't do anything to hurt it. But he also won't do anything to protect it. Yeah, this. He'll standby and let Pence and Friends come up with whatever they want, and then he'll rubber stamp it.
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Nov 14, 2016 02:31
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Bold Prediction: He'll take the full salary and lie about only taking one dollar until/if he is caught.
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Nov 14, 2016 02:32
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Trump has routinely bragged about donating large sums to charities and then does everything he can to make sure none of that money actually comes out of his personal pocket. He's greedy as gently caress. Even his supporters have to be aware of this.
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Covok posted:I actually believe Trump isn't anti-gay marriage. Frankly, he doesn't seem to be against the LGBT community. He also doesn't seem to want to defend it. Like most people from his region who aren't members of it, he's indifferent to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkV9dXF3VR0 Guess what - hes right.
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Trump doesn't believe in anything other than money and being liked by other people. I'd be less concerned if his VP was an evangelical rear end in a top hat and the House speaker didn't have a hard-on for dismantling every social program in existence.
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Internet Kraken posted:Trump has routinely bragged about donating large sums to charities and then does everything he can to make sure none of that money actually comes out of his personal pocket. He's greedy as gently caress. Even his supporters have to be aware of this. They don't care.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Paul Ryan: Medicare Phase-Out will be first priority of new Congress. Friends, the left made a deal with centrist neoliberals and this is the end-game. I am as guilty of this as anyone. Don't make the same mistake again - I won't.
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Nov 14, 2016 02:39
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They should be PUBLICALLY apoplectic. I mean he's a loving neo-nazi.
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Night10194 posted:They should be PUBLICALLY apoplectic. Hey, baby steps.
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drat, why is America becoming more like Europe? Fascists running and winning office? Populist movements? Neo-nazis actually holding government positions? gently caress.
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Kilroy posted:Haha this is why old people vote and young people are fools to sit it out. You're going to get cut a check and then you can choose from one of a variety of insurance companies based in Cheyenne, Wyoming which don't cover poo poo and with premiums three times as expensive as the check you're getting. Which deal specifically are you talking about? This has nothing to do with the ACA, this is purely a Republican plan to kill Medicare. This plan has gently caress all to do with it and while the ACA is a convenient scapegoat it's still just that, a scapegoat. You want to blame something, blame the Medicare Modernization act of 2003, the thing that brought Medicare Part D in to the fold, but without any funding mechanisms. Paul Ryan loving voted FOR that: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/108-2003/h332
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Nov 14, 2016 02:46
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Because Bernie threatened the money while Trump and Hillary don't. Populist movements can be either redirected to good or bad.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Hey, baby steps. Their objections are functionally worthless unless they make them public.
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Covok posted:drat, why is America becoming more like Europe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkm2Vfj42FY
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Nov 14, 2016 02:49
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I've never seen a man try to destroy his own electoral coalition so quickly.
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He got what he wanted from them so now he couldn't give a poo poo. The only chance we have is a Chester A. Arthur situation where Arthur was so disgusted by the government corruption that allowed him to advance to the hallowed halls of power that he dedicated his presidency to dismantling it. Trump doesn't strike me as someone capable of that sort of reflection.
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Covok posted:I actually believe Trump isn't anti-gay marriage. Frankly, he doesn't seem to be against the LGBT community. He also doesn't seem to want to defend it. Like most people from his region who aren't members of it, he's indifferent to it. Oh you sweet summer child. Donald Trump will inevitably turn on every single minority community, the only question is when he will get around to targeting the LGBT community. Whenever world events are not playing out according to Trump's desires he will look for a group to scapegoat and will publicly lash out at them while Pence et all quietly construct legislation in the background to take advantage of the moment and push their agenda. And each time they attack a given community they will do so in a more extreme manner than the last time and they will take away more rights every time they get riled up. Take Gay Marriage for example. They will start out by promising to protect religious liberties and free speech, and will pass odious laws that will legalize public harassment of LGBT individuals, but not outright ban gay marriage. Once they do that they will turn their attention on some other community and take some rights from them. When they next attack gay marriage it will be with a bill to return the question of gay marriage back to the states, at which point states will pass a hodge-podge of laws resulting in gay marriage being protected in some places, quietly ignored in a few, and outright illegal in quite a few. Then the next time they will pass a federal bill banning gay marriage, and several of the worst states will up the ante by experimenting with anti-sodomy laws, which the Conservative Supreme Court and DOJ will be perfectly okay with. Then there will be discussion of federal level anti-sodomy laws, you know to protect the children from the very worst predators, not every single gay person because we all know the difference between a good The next time after that it will be legislation that recognizes the reality of the new research that has proven that all LGBT people are dangerous and need to be sequestered from society for the good of us all. They will do this with every minority group and every cause (e.g. reproductive rights) whenever the opportunity presents itself. There is no logical endpoint, no built in stops where their irrationality becomes to great, no point at which either a conscience or cognitive dissonance will interrupt them. They have only one solution to every single problem, find someone and publicly hurt them. Doesn't matter whether their current target is even remotely guilty of what they are upset about or not, all they want is a target to be forced to bleed and whimper for mercy in public. This will be the entire game plan for the entire Trump/Pence presidency. Who they come after first is really a matter of pure chance, whatever minority group is being talked about on Breitbart the most is probably the next to feel the ax. Any analysis of what is coming must take into account this basic fact of the worldview that dominates the GOP now. The solution to every problem is to find a minority group and publicly hurt them, the more vicious and the higher the body count the better. Whenever reality intrudes on the fantasy bubble that the Trump administration exists in they will always always always always respond by lashing out at someone weaker than them, and there will be steady and unstoppable escalation. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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