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kingcobweb posted:It's the mastery.
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Nov 14, 2016 08:37
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The new mastery is loving broken right now so take advantage of it before people are like "wow remember how broken that mastery was on 6.22" It's that-patch-when-everyone-used-thunderlords levels of good. edit: then again it's preseason, so just take it as an opportunity to practice stuff you want to play next season, whatever. It's nice having something that feels halfway between normals and actual ranked. kingcobweb fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Nov 14, 2016 08:40
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Ivern got the bugfixes he desperately needed to have daisy actually be useful. The thing is those fixes happened to coincide with new support items that fit him perfectly and a unforgiving and confusing jungle that he can waltz through and not worry about his health after his first item. With 1-2 smite charges up he has nunu-tier invade of clearing your jungle the instant you blink.
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Nov 14, 2016 08:53
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Am I wrong in my assessment that Rengar is even more broken now than he was before? I know he is supposed to just delete someone in a blink of an eye, but I was under the impression that didn't include people with 120+ armor and 2.5k health. Not the tankiest tank stats, but more than average. Does lethality work in favor of him more than arpen ever did?
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Nov 14, 2016 10:25
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kingcobweb posted:The new mastery is loving broken right now so take advantage of it before people are like "wow remember how broken that mastery was on 6.22" It's broken af on Jarvan and Nautilus and basically anyone else with hard CC. 
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Nov 14, 2016 14:49
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Gangplank is still a massive chore of a champion to play against and I hate every facet of his retarded low committal global power and infinite waveclearing. Also if anyone wants an easy champion that they can just pick up and play toplane Nasus is the choice for you. The changes to his ult are utterly absurd with all these assassins getting picked like crazy you can just outscale massively by midgame hitting stacks and building armor alone.
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Nov 14, 2016 16:45
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How Rude posted:Gangplank is still a massive chore of a champion to play against and I hate every facet of his retarded low committal global power and infinite waveclearing. Nasus is ridiculously good right now. I highly recommend going 0/18/12 on Nasus with Stormraider's, it makes him nearly ungankable and lets you chase down people in the mid and late game.
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Nov 14, 2016 16:50
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kingcobweb posted:The new mastery is loving broken right now so take advantage of it before people are like "wow remember how broken that mastery was on 6.22" Top Maokai with Colossus who builds an early RoA or Spirit Visage is basically unkillable by the time midgame rolls around.
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Nov 14, 2016 16:51
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Vermain posted:Top Maokai with Colossus who builds an early RoA or Spirit Visage is basically unkillable by the time midgame rolls around. Can affirm this. I don't play Maokai much but I was 2v1ing or 3v1ing without any difficulty.
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Nov 14, 2016 16:58
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Elentor posted:That he is. are any other ranged ad's super good in 3s in your experience? i've been playing only quinn but wondering what else is good 
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Nov 14, 2016 17:06
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Lovechop posted:are any other ranged ad's super good in 3s in your experience? i've been playing only quinn but wondering what else is good Not as good as Graves I'm afraid. Lucian definitely takes the second place. Jhin is good too.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:12
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Gortarius posted:Am I wrong in my assessment that Rengar is even more broken now than he was before? Yep he's absolutely out of control right now Fizz, Rengar, Kha'Zix and tanks are all really, really strong right now. And yeah, Colossus is busted as gently caress.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:18
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Teikanmi posted:Yep he's absolutely out of control right now I haven't played in any games with Rengar or Fizz but I can confirm that Khazix seems really good.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:20
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Twitch is really really good right now too. He can survive the assassins and also his Q change is really, really nice. Removing pink wards may have been a whoopsie
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Nov 14, 2016 17:22
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every other strong adc has been cut down at this point between the fervor change and the arpen item changes that twitch is basically just one of the last men standing
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Nov 14, 2016 18:07
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the fervor change I think indirectly buffed Draven and other champions that scale much harder on flat AD over extra on-hit damage. At full stacks lategame you can get an extra 60 attack damage to put into your ratios. I'm going to keep trying MF with fervor and see if it pays off to get all that extra AD.
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Nov 14, 2016 18:10
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this rush 1v3 as ezreal is actually insanely impressive so im linking it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKJwxhoMvxM&t=522s Teikanmi posted:Removing pink wards may have been a whoopsie I just don't think Riot understands how to balance vision in this game. Ever since they reworked wards back in season 3 with sightstones and what not they have made some change to how wards work in this game every season, its like they're throwing poo poo at the wall but nothing is sticking. Personally I think they're going to remove wards completely and move back to upgrading your trinket item. Vision is a pretty interesting dichotomy in this game and there isn't really a perfect solution. To compare it to DotA, wards still take up inventory slots (though they're able to combine into one item slot now and you can swap between which type of ward, observor (sight) or sentry (pink) freely) but you can't really do that here because in DotA it's not entirely uncommon for certain supports to have literally brown boots, a basic sustain item and wards in their inventory and nothing else at 20 minutes in. You can't have this in League, if your support doesn't have items and the enemy team's does then you're at a huge deficit. In DotA hard supports (poor rear end ward bitches) are usually the supports that can exist without items but in League your champ's base stats and cc abilities only carry you so far.
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Nov 14, 2016 18:18
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Luna Was Here posted:this rush 1v3 as ezreal is actually insanely impressive so im linking it here Rush actually made it to #1 on Korean solo queue last night. He's totally legit, although his ADC play's decidedly hit-or-miss compared to his jungling.
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Nov 14, 2016 18:40
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So I just found out I got free tickets to IEM in Oakland. Problem is, I know jack poo poo about League of Legends. Does anyone know of a crash course or something I could watch so I know what's happening?
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Nov 14, 2016 18:41
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Luna Was Here posted:I just don't think Riot understands how to balance vision in this game. Ever since they reworked wards back in season 3 with sightstones and what not they have made some change to how wards work in this game every season, its like they're throwing poo poo at the wall but nothing is sticking. Personally I think they're going to remove wards completely and move back to upgrading your trinket item. Vision is a pretty interesting dichotomy in this game and there isn't really a perfect solution. To compare it to DotA, wards still take up inventory slots (though they're able to combine into one item slot now and you can swap between which type of ward, observor (sight) or sentry (pink) freely) but you can't really do that here because in DotA it's not entirely uncommon for certain supports to have literally brown boots, a basic sustain item and wards in their inventory and nothing else at 20 minutes in. You can't have this in League, if your support doesn't have items and the enemy team's does then you're at a huge deficit. In DotA hard supports (poor rear end ward bitches) are usually the supports that can exist without items but in League your champ's base stats and cc abilities only carry you so far. is this like a joke or did you actually forget WE vs CLG.EU? Riot removed that on purpose it's not like they couldn't have it.
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Nov 14, 2016 18:44
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Hiro Protagonist posted:So I just found out I got free tickets to IEM in Oakland. Problem is, I know jack poo poo about League of Legends. Does anyone know of a crash course or something I could watch so I know what's happening? your team to cheer for is unicorns of love cause they don't know either. enjoy the games
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Nov 14, 2016 18:46
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Taciturn Tactician posted:is this like a joke or did you actually forget WE vs CLG.EU? Riot removed that on purpose it's not like they couldn't have it. Maybe back in season 2 but the meta has evolved to a point where a support without a single full item at 20 minutes is a sign that the end is nigh for your team
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Nov 14, 2016 18:51
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Hiro Protagonist posted:So I just found out I got free tickets to IEM in Oakland. Problem is, I know jack poo poo about League of Legends. Does anyone know of a crash course or something I could watch so I know what's happening?
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Nov 14, 2016 19:03
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Is Turtle playing for TSM for sure?
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Nov 14, 2016 19:05
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Sexpansion posted:Is Turtle playing for TSM for sure?
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Nov 14, 2016 19:13
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Luna Was Here posted:Maybe back in season 2 but the meta has evolved to a point where a support without a single full item at 20 minutes is a sign that the end is nigh for your team It's not some nebulous meta evolution, Riot purposefully remade items, masteries, vision, and support scaling to change it. It was like the whole point of S4's "end game fantasy" thing. They absolute could balance vision by having a ward slave- they consciously chose not to.
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Nov 14, 2016 19:16
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Luna Was Here posted:Maybe back in season 2 but the meta has evolved to a point where a support without a single full item at 20 minutes is a sign that the end is nigh for your team only because of the 3 ward limit
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Nov 14, 2016 19:17
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Hiro Protagonist posted:So I just found out I got free tickets to IEM in Oakland. Problem is, I know jack poo poo about League of Legends. Does anyone know of a crash course or something I could watch so I know what's happening? Look on YouTube for the world champion finals "new viewer stream." They're really good games and take things pretty basic, in terms of commentary.
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Nov 14, 2016 19:25
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Tired Moritz posted:I am racist against infinity-scaling champs. I'm racist against you. If Rito ends up killing Veigar, Nasus, or Sion i'm going to come to your house and combo burst you. Elentor posted:Not as good as Graves I'm afraid. Lucian definitely takes the second place. Jhin is good too. A lot of ADC's do well on TT; so long as they have mobility/long range and a way to survive surprise ganks then you're golden. Caitlyn is stealth dope on TT, you can trap pretty much every gank path forever.
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Nov 14, 2016 19:34
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Neurolimal posted:I'm racist against you. If Rito ends up killing Veigar, Nasus, or Sion i'm going to come to your house and combo burst you. e: oh his w gives him perma heath I had no idea
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Nov 14, 2016 19:39
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Kindred, Bard, and Thresh also technically have infinite scaling too, but theres soft cap fuckery to limit their minigames by lategame
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Nov 14, 2016 19:42
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Neurolimal posted:Kindred, Bard, and Thresh also technically have infinite scaling too, but theres soft cap fuckery to limit their minigames by lategame Thresh's passive always felt really weird for supp. So squishy at the start of the game but then good scaling on pretty much the best kit of his time. I wonder why he fell off so hard, lantern is forever gonna be an amazing ability and death sentence will always be decent too.
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Nov 14, 2016 19:46
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Every time nasus is good a new generation of freaking noobies discovers e max like nobody ever noticed it has a 1.2 ap ratio before.
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ArbitraryC posted:Thresh's passive always felt really weird for supp. So squishy at the start of the game but then good scaling on pretty much the best kit of his time. I wonder why he fell off so hard, lantern is forever gonna be an amazing ability and death sentence will always be decent too. He's still the most played support in the game by a country mile. Professionally, people stopped playing him because a lot of his raw laning power was gradually stripped away and all that he really had left was Lantern (which is really good) and the engage potential of Death Sentence (which, to be frank, Alistar does a thousand times better).
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Nov 14, 2016 19:57
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ArbitraryC posted:Am I missing something about his kit? cause no one has ever cared. If Nasus gets 300 creeps with his Q he's going to erase you, if Sion gets 300 creeps with his Q he gets an extra giant's belt. Plus base health at 18 is pretty poor to compensate for the scaling health, it's in like the bottom 10 or so. If you're going to be all "what if theoretically you were in a game that took six weeks" he technically has the best scaling of any champion because he'd be unkillable and his autos would oneshot with titanic hydra, but in any practical setting it's pretty underwhelming. Taciturn Tactician fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Nov 14, 2016 19:57
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Taciturn Tactician posted:cause no one has ever cared. If Nasus gets 300 creeps with his Q he's going to erase you, if Sion gets 300 creeps with his Q he gets an extra giant's belt. Plus base health at 18 is pretty poor to compensate for the scaling health, it's in like the bottom 10 or so. If you're going to be all "what if theoretically you were in a game that took six weeks" he technically has the best scaling of any champion because he'd be unkillable and his autos would oneshot with titanic hydra, but in any practical setting it's pretty underwhelming. It gets better with jungling thanks it cinderheart, and thats what I care about because TT sion jungle is fun  Also IIRC pre-rework it was quite a bit better, to the extent that you rarely if ever saw a beefy item on Sion (outside frozen mallet or rylais) because they'd get beefy regardless.
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Nov 14, 2016 20:00
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Taciturn Tactician posted:It's not some nebulous meta evolution, Riot purposefully remade items, masteries, vision, and support scaling to change it. It was like the whole point of S4's "end game fantasy" thing. They absolute could balance vision by having a ward slave- they consciously chose not to. it's much more enjoyable to play support now than when green wards were a thing, because spending your whole budget on only vision and not buying cool active items that save your teammates or help the team in other ways sucked hard. you could also argue that vision control should be a team effort and also limited wards make it so that proper warding is more helpful than carpet bombing the whole loving jungle in vision because your whole budget is only for that How Rude fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Nov 14, 2016 20:01
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Neurolimal posted:It gets better with jungling thanks it cinderheart, and thats what I care about because TT sion jungle is fun speaking of I like to rush fmallet sion in the weekend rotation funhaver game modes, having that slow on your passive makes for some hilarious poo poo
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Vermain posted:He's still the most played support in the game by a country mile. Professionally, people stopped playing him because a lot of his raw laning power was gradually stripped away and all that he really had left was Lantern (which is really good) and the engage potential of Death Sentence (which, to be frank, Alistar does a thousand times better). Is he? I saw him a bunch in previous seasons but in this last one up to plat it seemed like support power pick was janna (and pre-nerf raka but she usually got banned).
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