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DoubleDonut posted:We were doing normal on other levels (with mostly white/green gear) and just couldn't get anywhere on Wheat & Chaff, so we bumped it down to easy for that level and managed to squeak by. I was screwing around on Normal by myself and had an easier time once I took Saltzpyre's crossbow for specials and his greatsword for smaller guys; I'll try out some of your strategies next time we try the level as a team. Part of the problem is that the horn for a horde would sound while we were already dealing with the last one, so it seemed like we just couldn't clear them out fast enough to even have time between hordes to move anywhere or get anything done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnuyQKRCqnY Here's a recent video I found that shows off roughly what I'm talking about. They're on Nightmare, playing with what looks to be orange gear for the most part. If you look around 6:15 you can see a good example of how Kruber and Bardin are controlling small rats with their melee weapons while pinging and stunning a stormvermin so Saltzpyre can destroy it with his repeater pistol. They're not perfect players by any means, but they do some good stuff. You can see when Roger shows up, Bardin basically keeps it distracted by shield bashing it and just blocking and hopping around while Sienna and Saltzpyre lay into it with ranged weapons, doing most of the damage. I'm not sure about the rapier's pistol. I usually don't use it on stormvermin since it doesn't fire quickly. The rapier does lots of headshot damage on its charge attack and attacks very quickly, it's very fast at killing stormvermin by just stabbing them in the head over and over.
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Digirat posted:It's identical to a shot from the brace of pistols so yes it does. If you see the hit indicator X, you're doing damage. A couple weapons make the characters yell at you for not hitting the head even though you are doing damage anyway, like the hagbane. rolled mc/skullcracker/ammo holder on mine and it puts entire regiments to sleep
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I'm always finding new stuff in the party banter. I was playing supply and demand and got a great mouthful from the elf mimicking mayfly complaining in the thickest Scottish accent she could muster. "Ach no weh nehd fud! Our behllies heurt!"
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the elf complains about food, about the quality of arrows, about the sewers, about the city noise, about bombs, about the smell of everything, about the art and literature in the tower, about the quality of grey magic, about the quality of stormvermin training, about the accuracy of ratling guns, about the taste of potions, about the quality of healing items, about the quality of her companions medical care, about how much she has to walk, about the moon, about the sneaking capabilities of rat ninjas, about the combat capabilities of her companions, about bombs, about her escape wagon and its driver, about vampires, about writing evil books, about gates, about krubers job and kruber in general, about packmasters, about rats in general, about dwarves, about jumping, about the gullibility of mayflys in regards to poison feasts, about being shot, about feeling pain, about sigmar, and about allies killing all the rats/not enough of the rats things she doesnt complain about: forests, illusory forests, dark elves, magic in general, people not kruber killing rat ogres, the fire wizard. come to think of it i dont think she gives saltzpyre that much poo poo to his face, possibly because a. its hard to insult someone who is open about being a merciless torturer, and b. shes a smelly hippy coward
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Nov 14, 2016 11:13
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I love that Saltzpyre is an out and out lunatic and yet he's still considered quite liberal compared to other witch hunters. He personally hired Kruber for his escort because he felt sympathy for the poor guy and gave him an opportunity to return home, though you'd never hear Saltzpyre actually admit to it.
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Nov 14, 2016 11:24
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saltz is great because you kind of get in the mindset that hes alright due to those reasons then he drops either some hosed up line about how much he enjoys torturing people to death or some insane obsessive diatribe about skaven scent glands and then youd realize he'd be the absolute worst person to hang out with out of all of them the voice actor does a great job. in both cases there's a disturbing amount of excitement and passion in his voice Tiler Kiwi fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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Nov 14, 2016 11:45
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Yeah the sound design in the game is top notch and that includes the voice work. Making awful people like Kerrilian and Saltzspyre fun isn't easy. Also she gives him hit over his bad eye all the time.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I love that Saltzpyre is an out and out lunatic and yet he's still considered quite liberal compared to other witch hunters. He personally hired Kruber for his escort because he felt sympathy for the poor guy and gave him an opportunity to return home, though you'd never hear Saltzpyre actually admit to it. He's escorting Sienna to trial instead of killing her on the spot, man. He's a dangerous radical
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DoubleDonut posted:He's escorting Sienna to trial instead of killing her on the spot, man. He's a dangerous radical Though if you read between the lines, he's partly doing it so she'd be with him when he hit Ubersreik, because he had an inkling the Skaven were coming and she's a really important person to have around in this mess.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:come to think of it i dont think she gives saltzpyre that much poo poo to his face, possibly because a. its hard to insult someone who is open about being a merciless torturer, and b. shes a smelly hippy coward She constantly taunts him for having lost an eye. The best part is when Saltzpyre heals her when she's heavily wounded, and he screams, "Maybe you should lose an eye, elf!"
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I think my favourite line is "Is that... my blood?" In the same vein I also like her dismayed "rat ogre? Rat- RAT OGRE!"
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edit3: Load Screens! There are 4 here, yes. Looks like they could be adding another Last Stand map.  edit2: Having accessed Fatshark's dev console before, I saw something about a lorebook. This was something cut from the game but you'd be able to find pages for it from all the levels and then access it in the Inn. The hotkey to do it doesn't work and it's impossible to see any of it even with the console. Here's the template for it just because. edit:  Definitely three new maps. Found the icons.  The Hype Train has rounded the corner again. Data Mining has yielded some stuff. It could be unused, but it could also be future weapons.    This could probably be the Two-handed Sword icon but I haven't seen that in agesBig picture here All the weapon sprites you see next to the item in your inventory are here but I'm not enough of a  to know them all so I'm just going by the type icon here.The magical shield rat. Potentially getting added, and potentially adding a whole new element of disaster to the game code   The Dwarf Map  
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Kerillian isn't fun though. It takes all of 3 lines for her nonstop fake racial slurs, completely unqualified berating of the rest of the team, and "I am the best lumbahfats" to get old. The witch hunter is sometimes as much of an rear end in a top hat except he's still actually funny about it because he's ranting about  HERESY and RRRRRAT SCUM the whole time.
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The Witch Hunter is an old curmudgeon who has Seen Some poo poo and whose heart is clearly in the right place. Also he's a British Dude getting to be hammy as gently caress which is always good.
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There's a pretty great elevator line between Kerillian and Sienna if Saltzpyre isn't on the team. Kerillian says she doesn't actually think Saltzpyre brought Sienna to Ubersreik for a trial. Apparently Kerillian thinks Saltzpyre hates Skaven so hard that it's literally given him some sort of supernatural hate-clairvoyance where he can sense them whether he realizes it or not, and he brought Sienna here specifically so he would have no choice but to release her in order to help him kill rats.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:the elf complains about food, about the quality of arrows, about the sewers, about the city noise, about bombs, about the smell of everything, about the art and literature in the tower, about the quality of grey magic, about the quality of stormvermin training, about the accuracy of ratling guns, about the taste of potions, about the quality of healing items, about the quality of her companions medical care, about how much she has to walk, about the moon, about the sneaking capabilities of rat ninjas, about the combat capabilities of her companions, about bombs, about her escape wagon and its driver, about vampires, about writing evil books, about gates, about krubers job and kruber in general, about packmasters, about rats in general, about dwarves, about jumping, about the gullibility of mayflys in regards to poison feasts, about being shot, about feeling pain, about sigmar, and about allies killing all the rats/not enough of the rats Basically she's a racist, unfunny version of francis
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Mzbundifund posted:There's a pretty great elevator line between Kerillian and Sienna if Saltzpyre isn't on the team. Kerillian says she doesn't actually think Saltzpyre brought Sienna to Ubersreik for a trial. Apparently Kerillian thinks Saltzpyre hates Skaven so hard that it's literally given him some sort of supernatural hate-clairvoyance where he can sense them whether he realizes it or not, and he brought Sienna here specifically so he would have no choice but to release her in order to help him kill rats. In the intro, the very first thing he does when they find the guard's body is unlock her cuffs and give her her weapons back. He also picked up a truly excellent soldier to accompany him as a guard. It's pretty clear Saltzpyre knew poo poo was likely to go down and made ready to kill six billion rats.
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Also to be fair bardin says stuff about most of that list but he frames it as a taunt to rats or a good natured joke to the team so he comes off as a lot less annoying E: also saltzpyre drops a lot of hints that he's been having nightmares about vermintide for a while so yeah in that way he is kinda hate-clairvoyant. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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"Doesn't Sigmar say don't shoot the dwarf?" is legit. Sigmar did say that. A lot. It's a tenant of Sigmarite faith that you should be buddies with dwarves because they're cool guys.
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The Dwarfs are the master race of the old world, it is known. It may be that Sigmar didn't actually say it, but it was certainly implied. Coolguye posted:E: also saltzpyre drops a lot of hints that he's been having nightmares about vermintide for a while so yeah in that way he is kinda hate-clairvoyant. Saltzpyre lost an eye while he was lost in a skaven tunnel complex for days, that's why he's so obsessed with killing them Mr. Pickles fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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In our RPG group, we always played it that to the dwarves, Sigmar's like the one human god who really makes sense. After all, he's an ancestor god, just like theirs: A cool dude who did some cool stuff that you should try to do too. I imagine they'd feel about the same about Myrmidia down south, given she's another ascended mortal.
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Eh I enjoy it because she's designed to be annoying and awful and the writing revels in how much of an arrogent elf poo poo she is. It's not like we're supposed to think Kerrilian is cool like new Dante or something.Night10194 posted:In the intro, the very first thing he does when they find the guard's body is unlock her cuffs and give her her weapons back. He also picked up a truly excellent soldier to accompany him as a guard. It's pretty clear Saltzpyre knew poo poo was likely to go down and made ready to kill six billion rats. Yeah there's banter between Krueber and Victor about Victor trying to tell his superiors about the skaven. He claims to be too skilled/valuable to have been fired for it.
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Kerillian is the only one who's a hateful little poo poo to the rest of the party constantly. The rest of them are pretty clear about hating the rats and being okay with each other, even the goddamn witch hunter and witch who come off as sparring with each other rather than fighting.
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xthetenth posted:Kerillian is the only one who's a hateful little poo poo to the rest of the party constantly. The rest of them are pretty clear about hating the rats and being okay with each other, even the goddamn witch hunter and witch who come off as sparring with each other rather than fighting. They always sound like they secretly like and respect each other. He can't help the occasional 'Yessssss, fire is a great purifier indeed!' around her.
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Eh I enjoy it because she's designed to be annoying and awful and the writing revels in how much of an arrogent elf poo poo she is. It's not like we're supposed to think Kerrilian is cool like new Dante or something. It's been said before, but Fat Shark really needs to add a high-elf character who just thinks of Kerillian as a provincial yokel.
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Kerillian says she doesn't like black powder but whenever she collects the arrows from an ammunition pickup she eats all the bullets and black powder sitting next to them.
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Obviously she's talking about the level "Black Powder"
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Mordja posted:Yeah, it's not like the rest of the party takes it lying down either. They constantly poo poo on her for her bad attitude. an elf that would just tell her 'STOP SAYING LUMBERFOOT FOR gently caress'S SAKE, SERIOUSLY, THAT'S OUR WORD' would completely redeem having her in the game imo xthetenth posted:Kerillian is the only one who's a hateful little poo poo to the rest of the party constantly. The rest of them are pretty clear about hating the rats and being okay with each other, even the goddamn witch hunter and witch who come off as sparring with each other rather than fighting. "packmaster got the elf - do we want her back?" as cool as bardin is to basically everyone about everything when he drops that line it's a big surprise
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The entire purpose of warhammer elves is they act exactly like elves do in every other fantasy setting except everyone else responds to it with 'get bent knife ear' and also all their hubris ruins them.
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If the other three die Kerrilian's line is "I don't need them, just like in my dreams." She really does seem them as a nuisance and distraction. E: after dorf dlc I hope we get something about why she's there
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:If the other three die Kerrilian's line is "I don't need them, just like in my dreams." She really does seem them as a nuisance and distraction. Sienna says there's some sort of magic thing that happens whenever Kerillian kills a rat, which is why she gets so fussy whenever the rest of the team kills them all. I think there's some sort of curse involved. (the curse is being an insufferable elf)
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Kerillian is desperate to rekindle Saltzpyre's faith in her.
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I never hear any of the Kerillian lines because I play with pubbies and it's either Rambo Elf or No Elf.
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Kruber doesn't like sienna that much but it's not for her personality, just his wariness around wizards. He's probably my favorite character because of how he is trying his hardest to keep his composure even while he is a broken man on the inside
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Night10194 posted:The Witch Hunter is an old curmudgeon who has Seen Some poo poo and whose heart is clearly in the right place. hes dale from king of the hill except actually a hardcore, merciless killer, and wearing a better hat
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Ignite Memories posted:Kerillian is desperate to rekindle Saltzpyre's faith in her. Arcsquad12 posted:Kruber doesn't like sienna that much but it's not for her personality, just his wariness around wizards. He's probably my favorite character because of how he is trying his hardest to keep his composure even while he is a broken man on the inside
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I can't give the voice work an A+ though just because everyone is British / Scottish / Welsh or some poo poo and not German. This is Ubersreik and Markus Kruber hangs with Franz Loehner at the inn before going down Ranaldstrasse to kill rats. I wanted hammy German accents, not tired fantasy United Kingdom accents. That said the voice and characterization work still gets an A, maybe like a 93.
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fatshark please announce the dlc already, it's not exactly a secret at this point
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Lunethex posted:
At first I thought that was the WH's two handed sword icon, but then I noticed that that icon is actually on the far left column of the sheet, in the very middle. This weapon looks much longer and may be a lance. However, the middle icon looks so much like a spear that I'm not sure it is a lance--presumably they would make the lance icon at least somewhat like that spear icon, or vice versa. Either way that's definitely 2 new weapons, potentially 3. Hopefully for each of the 3 classes who did not get one in drachenfels. But none of them look like they would fit the bright wizard, unless they're actually going to give her a two handed melee weapon and make her even more overpowered. God only knows what that gun is, but it's probably bardin's new weapon.
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