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m.hache posted:Messaging the guy now. The other tt just needs a belt.
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BigFactory posted:The other tt just needs a belt. What would be the "Prize" of this bundle (or is it all a great deal). It'd be nice to actually get both record players just so I have one to futz around with and learn how to service them.
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Nov 14, 2016 15:34
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m.hache posted:What would be the "Prize" of this bundle (or is it all a great deal). I think you'll like the speakers a lot more than those realistic kabukis (unless max volume is your goal). And the realistic amp is uggo. And it's cheaper.
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Nov 14, 2016 15:41
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BigFactory posted:http://www.kijiji.ca/v-electronics/hamilton/vintage-stereo-turntables-and-speakers/1216096394?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true I'd say that is a fair price for what's on offer. Looks like it was all brought together in late 70s. Receiver is 15W into 4 ohm which is a little weak, but the speakers seem decent quality (if a relatively unknown brand outside of CA), and both turntables are decent quality too. And you have to assume that the setup worked fine if they've been used together for so long. But don't forget that there will be a price involved in replacing the Garrard belt, and whatever "needs work" means for the SL-23.
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Nov 14, 2016 15:44
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Jeza posted:I'd say that is a fair price for what's on offer. Looks like it was all brought together in late 70s. Receiver is 15W into 4 ohm which is a little weak, but the speakers seem decent quality (if a relatively unknown brand outside of CA), and both turntables are decent quality too. And you have to assume that the setup worked fine if they've been used together for so long. But don't forget that there will be a price involved in replacing the Garrard belt, and whatever "needs work" means for the SL-23. Heard from the Seller. Needs work = Not spinning , wrong dust cover but it would work, needs cart and stylus.
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Nov 14, 2016 15:45
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Bought it all for $150! Thanks everyone. I'll likely be back for repair tips in the near future.
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Nov 14, 2016 15:55
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m.hache posted:Heard from the Seller. I'm no turntable technician, but not spinning could be a lot of things. Some maybe you could fix yourself, others less so. From my POV in the UK, the speakers are the best thing in the lot just from what I can see about them online. A working SL-23 is probably the most valuable thing there, but yeah, no guarantee of that. Most of the time it ends up being cheaper to buy working equipment than it is to spend money on parts to repair broken equipment when it comes to more budget old hifi. Replacing a belt is no sweat though, so you would have a working system at least. The ball is really in your court. How often will people post stuff online to buy in your local area, how often will it be decent quality? You could try assembling things piecemeal, maybe trawl local resources like auctions, charity shops and car boot things. Living in a small place can mean you have little choice if you only want to collect stuff in person to save on delivery, but it can also mean there is a dearth of "competition" for high end audio gear. I went to university in a tiny town, and they ran a bi weekly auction, which was essentially a death sale, because it was run by the local funeral directors. Every item for sale started for one GBP. This thread would go into shock if it saw the amount of decent audio gear go for almost nothing, because people just stuck all of Grandpa's audio stuff into the auction because it was too bulky to take home and they had no use for it, plus no idea of its worth. The only people who went to this auction were bored old people with no intention of buying 50s-80s audio gear, or antiques dealers who just sat there in and bought a million objets d'art for one quid each. If I had had a car and anywhere to store stuff outside my tiny room, I could have bought a warehouse full of B&O gear, and all kinds of stuff. e: awesome, congrats on your first setup!
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Nov 14, 2016 16:01
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m.hache posted:Southern Ontario, Hamilton/Lower Greater Toronto Area Ahh, I live near you!
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Nov 14, 2016 16:27
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wolfbiker posted:Ahh, I live near you! Ha good stuff. Any resources I should look at to troubleshoot this Technic when I pick them up tonight? I really want to get that sucker working. Also good place to get parts? or is Ebay the way to go. I need to get a belt for that Garrard.
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Nov 14, 2016 16:32
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I also recently picked up an SL-23 that wasn't spinning. I think I just had to replace the belt and DeOxit and lube it and it just started to work. I'm not sure about Hamilton area, but Natural Sound in KW has turntable belts, replacement styluses, cartridges, etc. It's a good place. They do repairs as well, but it's not cheap.
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Nov 14, 2016 16:34
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wolfbiker posted:I also recently picked up an SL-23 that wasn't spinning. I think I just had to replace the belt and DeOxit and lube it and it just started to work. I'm not sure about Hamilton area, but Natural Sound in KW has turntable belts, replacement styluses, cartridges, etc. It's a good place. They do repairs as well, but it's not cheap. When you say Natural sound in KW do you mean Kitchener? or is there one on Kenilworth? EDIT: Google says Kitchener. Thanks!
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Nov 14, 2016 16:35
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Yes, Kitchener/Waterloo.
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Nov 14, 2016 16:36
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Speaking of Craigslist, is it just the Electronics section that's worth following? I do a few brand searches now and again in case I've missed something. I've seen one new listing of interest in about 2 months here in South East Florida and that was essentially a re-list. I trawled back the entire history here at one point and while there was some stuff, it was certainly on the high end price point. Craigslist listings are just the worst thing ever and make me hate humanity.
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Nov 14, 2016 19:51
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EL BROMANCE posted:Speaking of Craigslist, is it just the Electronics section that's worth following? I do a few brand searches now and again in case I've missed something. I've seen one new listing of interest in about 2 months here in South East Florida and that was essentially a re-list. I trawled back the entire history here at one point and while there was some stuff, it was certainly on the high end price point. I look through antiques sometimes but I usually don't see much stereo equipment there. Records more often.
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Nov 14, 2016 20:09
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m.hache posted:Messaging the guy now. Could mean the pots need deoxit, or new belt...
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Nov 14, 2016 22:47
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So the guy had a surprise for me when I showed up. He had a new head for the Technic SL-23 which was rad. He also had the following that he just gave away (none in working order). What I want to know, is any of this worth salvaging/working towards fixing? or should I just e-waste it? Maaay have bitten off more than I can chew but if all it costs me is a trip to the dump that's no big deal.            Full Album here.
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Nov 15, 2016 00:34
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I bought three broken turntables a while back, the SL-23 was the only one I could get working 100%, which I ended up keeping. The other two had issues I couldn't solve, but I put them on Kijiji in as-is condition and sold them for at least what I paid for them. I'd imagine they're worth playing with to see if you can get working and then resell for a profit. If you can't get them working, you could still sell them for $10-$30 to someone who can get them working.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:42
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Won a local online auction; The photo tells you as much as I know about them. They could be DOA, but I buy from this same auction house frequently and usually have good luck. I made out the equipment as: Technics RS-TR333 dual cassette deck JVC RX-505VTN Digital Stereo Receiver The speakers are Technics, but I know nothing about them beyond that. I'm hoping they are in working condition, but I know if anything is broke it's probably them. Total cost: $11.50
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Nov 15, 2016 03:15
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So as far as repairing/troubleshooting these tables I intend to work on them one at a time, starting with the Garrard and then the Technics. Is there a great resource to work with these? or can I just post symptoms in the thread for some general advise. I don't want to poo poo the thread up with basic questions all the time if I can avoid it.
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Nov 15, 2016 15:52
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m.hache posted:So as far as repairing/troubleshooting these tables I intend to work on them one at a time, starting with the Garrard and then the Technics. If you're not already an Audiokarma member, there are tons of bright people there, and the community is pretty friendly if you post stuff in the right place. There are smart folks here too, though. You're probably going to get the same initial answers to questions here, but if we get stumped that might be a place to go.
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BigFactory posted:If you're not already an Audiokarma member, there are tons of bright people there, and the community is pretty friendly if you post stuff in the right place. There are smart folks here too, though. You're probably going to get the same initial answers to questions here, but if we get stumped that might be a place to go. Thanks! From a starting point I'm going to find the service manuals, replace the belt and start cleaning up the contacts on the Garrard. I did test it this morning (without a receiver/speakers plugged into it) and it seems to work fairly well. The Auto feature drops the arm right in the center of the Vinyl though and from initial searches it could be just a matter of cleaning all the contacts and lubricating everything. I'm going to find a place to pick up all the maintenance oils and sprays I need and start from there.
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m.hache posted:Thanks! Vinyl Engine has lots of manuals. You have to sign up to see them but it's free.
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Nov 15, 2016 18:47
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m.hache posted:Thanks! I had a Sansui that did this. It ended up having a button to choose record size. When it was pushed for a 7" record it would drop in the middle of a 12" record. Maybe yours has something similar?
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Nov 15, 2016 18:49
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wolfbiker posted:I had a Sansui that did this. It ended up having a button to choose record size. When it was pushed for a 7" record it would drop in the middle of a 12" record. Maybe yours has something similar? I tried testing this (You can see the Garrard in the pictures I posted earlier). It was originally set for 45/7. I changed it to 33/12 and it still had that problem which leads me to believe either a contact problem or maybe a belt? He had mentioned that the belt needed to be replaced. I just assumed it would have been missing the belt but it's there. What sort of symptoms would I look for to diagnose a belt? I just figured it wouldn't turn.
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m.hache posted:I tried testing this (You can see the Garrard in the pictures I posted earlier). It was originally set for 45/7. I changed it to 33/12 and it still had that problem which leads me to believe either a contact problem or maybe a belt? Other than not spinning, the next biggest symptom I would look for is speed variation. If the platter can't maintain a consistent RPM, I'd look at the belt to ensure its not stretched out and loose or some how warped from sitting. Also make sure it's rubbery and not brittle or sticky to the touch. (This is all ignoring that the seller could have simply meant "it's old and needs to be replaced sooner rather than later." But still good to check.)
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Started to take apart the SL-23. First thing that jumps out, no belt. It's also missing the Stylus needle. It's got a brand new head from the looks of it. http://www.ebay.com/itm/TURNTABLE-STYLUS-NEEDLE-FOR-Technics-SL-23-SL-B2-SL-B2-SLB2-EPS-74STSD-697-/351077808402 Something like this would work? I'm wondering if that's all it will take to get it going.
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What cartridge does it have?
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Yeah you're missing the entire headshell which you'll need to replace. Also you can't access much from the top besides the belt. You'll need to take the bottom off to troubleshoot further if necessary. You'll need a new belt first to determine if it's spinning reliably
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BANME.sh posted:Yeah you're missing the entire headshell which you'll need to replace. Also you can't access much from the top besides the belt. You'll need to take the bottom off to troubleshoot further if necessary. You'll need a new belt first to determine if it's spinning reliably I have a new headshell it just appears to be missing the stylus.  
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Looks like you're missing the cartridge as well
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Yeah that's only the headshell. You need the cartridge (the thing the wires on the headshell attach to) and the stylus (needle) which attaches to the cartridge.
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You also only have two of the four headshell wires that connect the headshell to the cartridge. There should be four of them.
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Yes, that's right. Good catch. You're running into the same problem I did when I bought a few $10 record players. You end up having to spend $20 on the headshell, $20 on the belt, and $60 on the cartridge just for the parts so it will function properly. Then you actually have to figure out what's wrong with it (if anything) to get it running. I ended up just unloading the two broken turntables as-is after I realized I had no idea what I was doing and didn't want to sink money into them.
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wolfbiker posted:Yes, that's right. Good catch. Hm. I may just sell them all off and keep the Garrard. That one seems to at least work. It just may need a cleaning and a belt at best. Thanks for the insight.
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wolfbiker posted:Yes, that's right. Good catch. Forgive the double post. You mentioned you were local earlier. Did you want the Marantz, SL-220 and the JVC? You can take them for free since I got them for free, otherwise I'm going to do a cheap Kijiji post for As is, give it a few weeks then just e-waste them.
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No thank you, but thanks for the offer. I'm done messing with broken turntables.  You should be able to sell them for $10 or $20 pretty quickly. Someone will want them.
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wolfbiker posted:No thank you, but thanks for the offer. I'm done messing with broken turntables. Sounds good. Offer open to anyone else local in the thread. I'm heading out for a vacation in a week so I'll list them after I return. Another potentially stupid question: Recommendations for speaker wire? I know going into a store is a complete pitfall (Monster cables gold plated for optimum sound!) so is there anything special I should look out for? Cable runs will be under 10ft.
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m.hache posted:Sounds good. Literally anything is fine. 16 gauge is all you need for a 10' run. Get whatever's cheap. Or cut the ends off old RCA cables even.
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BigFactory posted:Literally anything is fine. 16 gauge is all you need for a 10' run. Get whatever's cheap. Or cut the ends off old RCA cables even. Thought as much! Going to get some Deoxit and cabling during my lunch break, then I'll start researching the best way to clean up this Garrard.
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So I just realized I bought Deoxit D5. Is this going to be a problem? Is the Deoxit only to be used on my receiver? or can I also use it on my turntable. All the guides I'm finding just seem to use it on the receivers. I feel like this is a stupid question but I don't want to ruin my only working Turntable.
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