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1337JiveTurkey posted:Based on social media, they're going to be blaming The Jews instead. In our post-factual world, literally every branch of government being controlled by one party makes all problems automatically the Jews fault.
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BarbarianElephant posted:This is more like your ship being captured by pirates. The pirates did it. Blame the pirates. Maybe your ship should have had more security, but it was not your ship that pillaged itself. Yes, the pirates being the neoliberals we let head the party since 2010.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:00
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Mister Adequate posted:Hilary Clinton got the third-highest number of votes in any Presidential election ever. I realize there's only so far back that is a meaningful statistic, but it's really hard to pin the blame on her and the Dems when 130,000 voters would have made it go the other way. That's like 0.1% of the voting public, it's such a tiny number and proportion that it wouldn't even register as a statistical error. Hillary was basically a comperable candidate to Kerry and Gore. She wasn't a Dukakis, Mondale, or Carter. She was an average candidate.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:01
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Zikan posted:us poo poo-posting goons in c-spam put this together This is cool. I don't know if I really want to oust state leadership over this, but it wouldn't hurt to put up a threat unless they vote for him. Gotta figure out who all the other people are, they certainly don't make it transparent.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:02
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Additionally I'm very excited for when the stock market realizes that the increased volatility in everything outweighs their regulatory decreases and crashes big league, Trump and Republicans claim that they aren't in power and it is the Democrats fault.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:03
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Crowsbeak posted:Yes, the pirates being the neoliberals we let head the party since 2010. nah, Pirates historically practiced equitable distribution of wealth Ha ha ha little nautical history humor for ya there folks
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Nov 14, 2016 23:04
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Mister Adequate posted:Hilary Clinton got the third-highest number of votes in any Presidential election ever. I realize there's only so far back that is a meaningful statistic, but it's really hard to pin the blame on her and the Dems when 130,000 voters would have made it go the other way. That's like 0.1% of the voting public, it's such a tiny number and proportion that it wouldn't even register as a statistical error. For comparison, that's the population equivalent of Cedar Rapids, Iowa or Visalia, California.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:05
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Crowsbeak posted:Yes, the pirates being the neoliberals we let head the party since 2010. The Clintons and their cadre have been the most significant faction in determining the course of the DNC since 1992.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:05
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Radbot posted:Good, glad to hear that smug, effete liberals (you're not a "left winger")  quote:don't like gay marriage, abortion rights, or climate change regulation and that you won't be hurt by changes to any of that. Oh, they will be, but you're deliberately missing my point: the white working class are going to suffer more from a Trump presidency than "effete white liberals" or whatever you want to call them. So voting for Trump as a means of saying "gently caress you" to them was a pretty loving stupid thing to do.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:06
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Stereotype posted:Additionally I'm very excited for when the stock market realizes that the increased volatility in everything outweighs their regulatory decreases and crashes big league, Trump and Republicans claim that they aren't in power and it is the Democrats fault. Yeah and besides the middle class idiots who watch fox news who will beleive them while they starve? A Wizard of Goatse posted:The Clintons and their cadre have been the most significant faction in determining the course of the DNC since 1992. Well they got kicked out in 04, but then retook it after the 2008 election.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:07
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Why anybody would expect Matty Yglesias to be an empathetic or perceptive voice for the downtrodden I'll never understand. Business Gorillas posted:The corporate media refuses to acknowledge that economic issues might need to be addressed well I never I really truly thought for a few days that after losing in such an overwhelmingly embarrassing way, with such catastrophic consequences, would have made some of them take step back and at least say "I was wrong." But now I can see I'm a naive idiot.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:08
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Crowsbeak posted:Well they got kicked out in 04, but then retook it after the 2008 election. That was Obama, not Clinton. The Dems won in spite of the Clintons, not because of them. Clinton got primary'd, remember?
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They kinda retook it during the 2008 election, I don't wanna give Obama a pass for being so much less energetic a negotiator than he was a campaigner but there's a reason that following his landslide the Democratic supermajority didn't get much done except pass the Heritage Foundation's health plan, which substantially resembled what Clinton had run on (and Obama against) in the primary. The Clintons can't do much to fix the popular vote (as should be pretty clear by now) but their command of the party's upper ranks was pretty total for a good, long time.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:09
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Pretty much. The inaction to stop rural decay while increasing the taxes on the people suffering from rural decay will, ironically, hurt Trump supporters despite being Trump's policy. We will hurt from it, but a lot of it is a minor defeat, not even a real loss in morale, while they may literally starve to death/die from diseases they could have been saved from by the ACA. It's really sad, honestly, and they're even picking up on it already as people have started calling Trump out on his coal factory lies.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:09
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mcmagic posted:LOL if Rand Paul votes for Guliani or Bolton for Sec State. I mean, that is something that Democrats need to be keeping spreadsheets of, because holy poo poo. Any GOP acquiescence with anything Trump does needs to be made so toxic that they never get elected to anything again.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:10
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Pollyanna posted:That was Obama, not Clinton. The Dems won in spite of the Clintons, not because of them. Clinton got primary'd, remember? While Dean was hardly a Champion of the workers, he was not the Clintons animal. Which is why he got forced out after the great victory of 08. The Clinton's have always wanted total control over the party. Time for that to end and for us to forget about their so called golden age.
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Seeming more and more like Trump was just a Trojan horse that GOP rode inside of. Zizek was wrong.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:12
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Rip Testes posted:Seeming more and more like Trump was just a Trojan horse that GOP rode inside of. Zizek was wrong. wow im shocked. im shocked. electrocuted. im fuckin dead by electrical shock from this revelation.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:13
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Rip Testes posted:Seeming more and more like Trump was just a Trojan horse that GOP rode inside of. Zizek was wrong. Nah, Trump never wears Trojans. They're too big.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:13
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Covok posted:Pretty much. The inaction to stop rural decay while increasing the taxes on the people suffering from rural decay will, ironically, hurt Trump supporters despite being Trump's policy. We will hurt from it, but a lot of it is a minor defeat, not even a real loss in morale, while they may literally starve to death/die from diseases they could have been saved from by the ACA. gonna be great when that air conditioner factory trump wouldn't shut up about closes in 2019
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Nov 14, 2016 23:14
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Right, but you have to account for population growth. The two highest are Obama and Obama, because he's Obama, but accounting for the growth since 2004 didn't she barely outperform Kerry? Sure, as I said there's only so far back you can go and have it be meaningful, but population growth isn't that rapid. I've yet to see anyone sitting down and work out the specifics accounting for that growth though. I maintain that she would have been a loving exceptional President who got dicked over by misogynists, racists, and bullshit in the media, but smarter people than me are gonna sit down and spend an awfully long time in the halls of Dem power to figure out where this went wrong and how to avoid it in future. For example, by burning down the loving Electoral College  I am heartened to see Ellison leap into being a frontrunner, at any rate, he sounds both competent and broadly in line with my own politics (or at least the ones I hold to be reasonable to expect to implement) and I'm definitely down with the Ds saying "Yeah we might have hosed that up but we're sure as hell not turning to racism to win votes, so here, have a black Muslim DNC chair".
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quote:CLAY COUNTY, W.Va (WSAZ) -- Two Clay County women are under intense criticism after a Facebook post launched outrage on social media. Screenshots of the post have been shared thousands of times. http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/No..._medium=twitter
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Covok posted:It's really sad, honestly, and they're even picking up on it already as people have started calling Trump out on his coal factory lies. See, this is what I'm most curious about : What happens when Trump doesn't help the people he said he'd help? Who will they blame then? Hopefully him for lying to them, and hopefully they'll live long enough to vote against him in 2020.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:16
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:See, this is what I'm most curious about : What happens when Trump doesn't help the people he said he'd help? Who will they blame then? Hopefully him for lying to them, and hopefully they'll live long enough to vote against him in 2020. Sweet child, you have a lot to learn. Their fake news sites will convince them the democrats/muslims/jews/Russians/etc. did it and they will learn nothing. Then, they will die in their 30s with nothing to leave behind to their deformed, malformed children.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:17
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:They kinda retook it during the 2008 election, I don't wanna give Obama a pass for being so much less energetic a negotiator than he was a campaigner but there's a reason that following his landslide the Democratic supermajority didn't get much done except pass the Heritage Foundation's health plan, which substantially resembled what Clinton had run on (and Obama against) in the primary. The Clintons can't do much to fix the popular vote (as should be pretty clear by now) but their command of the party's upper ranks was pretty total for a good, long time. They retook it on the sly largely during the horse trading phase that led to Obama getting the nom in the first place (he actually didn't get the popular vote but it was definitely closer in 2008 than in 2016). Had that not happened I suspect we'd be looking at McCain's second term right now. The PUMAs did way worse poo poo than the berniebros in 08.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:19
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:See, this is what I'm most curious about : What happens when Trump doesn't help the people he said he'd help? Who will they blame then? Hopefully him for lying to them, and hopefully they'll live long enough to vote against him in 2020. There was a really interesting article that explained how Congressional midterm elections are less about the actual candidates running and more like a referendum on the current President. If Trump utterly fails to keep his promises AND the economy shits itself again, which seems likely, then the Dems could have an opportunity to take back Congress in 2018.
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I don't know if you can really grade racists, but man Michelle haters would be at the very top of that scale.
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zegermans posted:I don't know if you can really grade racists, but man Michelle haters would be at the very top of that scale. A++ Trashmouth Bastards, Exemplary in the Field of Being Dumb as a Sack of Doorknobs
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zegermans posted:I don't know if you can really grade racists, but man Michelle haters would be at the very top of that scale. It's OK though, she didn't mean to be racist.
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zegermans posted:I don't know if you can really grade racists, but man Michelle haters would be at the very top of that scale.  I want a first lady who I'd wanna gently caress
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Nov 14, 2016 23:28
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FourLeaf posted:There was a really interesting article that explained how Congressional midterm elections are less about the actual candidates running and more like a referendum on the current President. If Trump utterly fails to keep his promises AND the economy shits itself again, which seems likely, then the Dems could have an opportunity to take back Congress in 2018. Facebook, Breitbart exist. Nothing factual ever need bite Trump in the rear end ever again.
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Potato Salad posted:Facebook, Breitbart exist. Nothing factual ever need bite Trump in the rear end ever again. Oh lol. I do love the liberals who really think that everyone is stupid and their the only ones that get the world. If things are lovely and your guy is in charge it rapidly decreaces the chances you'll turn out, which actually happened in 2006. Its also happened to the dems both in 2014, and in 2010.
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Covok posted:Sweet child, you have a lot to learn. Their fake news sites will convince them the democrats/muslims/jews/Russians/etc. did it and they will learn nothing. Then, they will die in their 30s with nothing to leave behind to their deformed, malformed children. I'm not so sure about that. Like you said at least some of them are calling him out on lying about coal jobs, and if by 2020 there's no new jobs, no wall, and life in the Rust Belt still sucks (and possibly sucks even worse) a portion of the people are going to realize they've been used and abandoned.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I'm not so sure about that. Like you said at least a some of them are calling him out on lying about coal jobs, and if by 2020 there's no new jobs, no wall, and life in the Rust Belt still sucks (and possibly sucks even worse) a portion of the people are going to realize they've been had used and abandoned. this would require people admitting they were wrong and had been had, which is something people really hate to do
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OK, I get racism, but at this point someone going down this route has to be self aware of how stupid their racism is, right? Before I continue, let me state that I personally have no problem with Melanie's prior nude modeling. But, diving into the mind of those dumbest white women featured in that article, they must have some metric they are measuring the first ladies with, right? I mean, Michelle's education, her professional career as a lawyer, her time working on various kids and school programs as First Lady... ...compare that to Melanie's time as a model whose big speech was about mean Internet comments. I mean, this is going to be the first First Lady that the nation has seen fully nude. That is by their very definition the opposite of dignified. You would think at some point idiotic racism would meet reality but I guess not.
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boner confessor posted:this would require people admitting they were wrong and had been had, which is something people really hate to do They don't have to admit they're wrong, they just have to not vote for him. Which is pretty easy to do if you're feeling angry and betrayed.
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Mister Adequate posted:Hilary Clinton got the third-highest number of votes in any Presidential election ever. I realize there's only so far back that is a meaningful statistic, but it's really hard to pin the blame on her and the Dems when 130,000 voters would have made it go the other way. That's like 0.1% of the voting public, it's such a tiny number and proportion that it wouldn't even register as a statistical error. Hillary should have won in a blowout. She ran a shockingly bad campaign if she just barely broke even with literal HItler.
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boner confessor posted:this would require people admitting they were wrong and had been had, which is something people really hate to do Yeah, part of why the rural former mill towns of the rust belt are such a pain in the rear end to reach out to. You can't just go and tell hundreds of thousands of people they got duped and have been getting duped over and over for decades by the GOP who robbed them blind for the exclusive benefit of the upper crust of the international capital class and blamed regulations, taxes, "welfare queens," and "urban youths." There's a reason a shitton of advance fee fraud goes unreported in the consumer finance industry. Nobody wants to admit they got fooled.
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Crowsbeak posted:Oh lol. I do love the liberals who really think that everyone is stupid and their the only ones that get the world. If things are lovely and your guy is in charge it rapidly decreaces the chances you'll turn out, which actually happened in 2006. Its also happened to the dems both in 2014, and in 2010. True but at the same time it is very difficult to say what will happen for sure. The media landscape is incredibly different from what it was a decade ago or even two years ago. The right has developed the most effective propaganda machine possible in a liberal democracy I think.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I'm not so sure about that. Like you said at least some of them are calling him out on lying about coal jobs, and if by 2020 there's no new jobs, no wall, and life in the Rust Belt still sucks (and possibly sucks even worse) a portion of the people are going to realize they've been used and abandoned. Like how they turned on Reagan?
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