|
uh, he knows who just got elected right
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:00
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 22:01 |
|
|
this is so dumb: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/14/hillary-clinton-defeat-republicans-trump-comey "oh but you see it took them a long time to win so it's not actually that bad"
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:01
|
|
|
Tight Booty Shorts posted:gently caress Lena Dunham Crosspost from PYF Memes: 
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:03
|
|
|
radical meme posted:Man I don't know. But, the first thing they have to do is find some younger standard bearers to rally around; they need people in the House and Senate to start pissing off both the GOP and more established people in the Democratic party; people who start making a name for theirself. It took Ted Cruz less than a year to piss off every Republican in the Senate and he made a name for himself doing it; he marked his territory and rode it all the way into the primaries. I really think that's the biggest challenge right now, the Democratic party needs some people to become a rallying point, other than Warren and Sanders who are both too old. I'm not against full socialism but it just doesn't sell in the U.S. Plus, any hope of doing anything legislatively is gone for the next 2 years at the very least. From many pages back, but this is incorrect. Exhibit A Bernie is the standard-bearer for the progressive movement as it is right now. If Bernie had been double-victorious and was the president-elect, he'd be the leader of the party. Hillary lost in a big league way, so I think the left deferring to him and Warren for leadership/guidance of the party for the foreseeable future is the correct way to go. Liz Warren has also been the one of the loudest voices in congress and against the banks and corporatists. Both Bernie and Warren are very popular with progressives right now. Obviously, the future of the party and a successful progressive movement requires younger blood, but we shouldn't be desperate and hasty to find those people lest we end up with people like Chelsea and Booker. If we keep working hard and have open eyes, those Gen-X and Millennial leaders will reveal themselves. This is absolutely NOT a top immediate priority. Our top priority right now is to seize the opportunities that present themselves for the benefit of the movement and seize the means of production.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:03
|
|
|
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlmuKtyhDKg
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:03
|
|
|
Al! posted:say what you want about salt that a pretty good white women joke Yeah them white women in Appalachia always at Starbucks.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:03
|
|
|
Breakfast All Day posted:anyone outside of the hillary twittersphere has no idea who the gently caress lena dunham is, even if they know the show I was mystified and confused by the fact that they put Lena Dunham onstage at the DNC because in addition to the fact that it encouraged Lena Dunham which is a horrible sin, the Venn diagram of "people who are happy to see Lena Dunham" and "people who were already unconditional Hillary Clinton devotees" is actually just a circle
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:05
|
|
|
Fulchrum posted:If he can deliver in 2018 and turn the tide back against the Republicans absolutely no-one in the party is going to say poo poo to or about the guy. I mean, people are already attacking him and he hasn't even won the position yet. The message seems to be "why would we go more progressive after losing to the Republicans?"
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:05
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/SimonMaloy/status/797089581481029632 also this is why you need to have an actual message for your campaign that makes policy worth talking about https://twitter.com/SimonMaloy/status/797090628568043520
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:06
|
|
|
loquacius posted:I was mystified and confused by the fact that they put Lena Dunham onstage at the DNC Usually by convention time the parties are unified. This year was an exception, not the rule
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:08
|
|
|
Zythrst posted:Yeah them white women in Appalachia always at Starbucks. Donald Trump as represented by a cornbread muffin and buttermilk biscuit
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:09
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/SimonMaloy/status/796901222687080449 I rate this hot take actually fairly reasonable
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:09
|
|
|
Chelsea Clinton can go ahead and run for Congress, that's fine with me, she can fill a seat. As long as she takes that seat from a Republican and nobody tries to base a Third Way resurgence around her she can go to Congress right now.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:10
|
|
|
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--IS0XiNdpk
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:11
|
|
|
loquacius posted:Chelsea Clinton can go ahead and run for Congress, that's fine with me, she can fill a seat. As long as she takes that seat from a Republican and nobody tries to base a Third Way resurgence around her she can go to Congress right now. Considering the article was basically made up bullshit to push clicks im betting that the clintons are going to sit back and enjoy being free from running for president. also possible flee the country to escape trump and people pissed that she didn't deliver
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:11
|
|
|
Zythrst posted:Yeah them white women in Appalachia always at Starbucks. Believe it or not but they let poor people go to starbucks too
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:11
|
|
|
loquacius posted:Chelsea Clinton can go ahead and run for Congress, that's fine with me, she can fill a seat. As long as she takes that seat from a Republican and nobody tries to base a Third Way resurgence around her she can go to Congress right now. Lol if you think it won't be the safest seat that was ever safe.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:12
|
|
|
they even have Steak and Shake in the cursed earth!!!!!
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:13
|
|
|
Al! posted:Believe it or not but they let poor people go to starbucks too Yeah whats a coffee up to there these days?
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:13
|
|
|
Zythrst posted:Yeah them white women in Appalachia always at Starbucks. Why do people think Starbucks is only a coastal elite thing? I live in Louisiana and we got like 10 in my city. My racist rear end aunties go to starbucks all the time. ... Look, we gotta acknowledge that racism and sexism played a huge part in this election. Now, to a lot of people this election wasn't about that ... there's a lot of white people who just kinda compartmentalized that part of the Trump campaign. They just kinda shrugged it off or thought he was pandering, but they still thought, in the end, it was ok to vote for a guy who went out and said a bunch of racist poo poo and empowered Nazis. Not to mention the sexual assault poo poo. It's no wonder a lot of Democrats - especially PoC and Women Democrats - saw this election through that frame and are despairing about it. Now when people com along and say "Dems gotta talk to White Working Class Voters" you can see the pushback. They're afraid of being abandoned, of anti-racism being thrown to the wayside to chase a bunch of racists. The people who see this election this way aren't just a bunch of dumbass bubble coastal elites. They're just normal people who saw this election as a referendum on racism/sexism that they lost. They need to be reassured that they're still the core of the Democratic Party, that we'll still fight for their rights, and a lot of Trump's voters aren't lost causes or actively racist, just... ignorant.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:13
|
|
|
jackofarcades posted:Why do people think Starbucks is only a coastal elite thing? I live in Louisiana and we got like 10 in my city. My racist rear end aunties go to starbucks all the time. I'm from the Midwest i have a Starbucks within two blocks. I am not unaware of its ubiquity.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:15
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:this is so dumb: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/14/hillary-clinton-defeat-republicans-trump-comey "Don't call Clinton a weak candidate: it makes me feel bad"
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:17
|
|
|
Zythrst posted:Yeah whats a coffee up to there these days? when yer up to yer eyeballs in credit card debt whats another 3.75???? god its like some of you people have never been poor before
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:18
|
|
|
Al! posted:Believe it or not but they let poor people go to starbucks too But you have to be a paying customer to use the shitter.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:19
|
|
|
Al! posted:when yer up to yer eyeballs in credit card debt whats another 3.75???? god its like some of you people have never been poor before I'm going to make less then 15k this year I think I know.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:20
|
|
|
MrCussMustard posted:But you have to be a paying customer to use the shitter. not in my experience 🚽💩👹
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:21
|
|
|
lol just lol if you don't work at a retail store with a starbucks inside and volunteer to change their garbage for free drinks just lol
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:23
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:https://twitter.com/SimonMaloy/status/796901222687080449 i mean he is right. while i think its unfair and stupid to say all the trumpists are bigoted and sexists. there is definitely an udercurrent of it that trump fostered and used, and now its givin idiots(alt rights assholes, "closet bigots" all that poo poo) a chance to act on it. but its not the sole reason by any means that clinton lost.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:23
|
|
|
Subjunctivitis posted:
crazy cloud has issued a correction as of 01:33 on Nov 15, 2016 |
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:24
|
|
|
i miss ths closer and I making off with that weeks unsold sweets every friday don't tell the manager tho she'll get fired
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:25
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:this is so dumb: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/14/hillary-clinton-defeat-republicans-trump-comey Solnit is definitely a hit-or-miss writer. Gonna call this one a miss
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:25
|
|
|
Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean he is right. while i think its unfair and stupid to say all the trumpists are bigoted and sexists. there is definitely an udercurrent of it that trump fostered and used, and now its givin idiots(alt rights assholes, "closet bigots" all that poo poo) a chance to act on it. but its not the sole reason by any means that clinton lost. i've come around to still being mad that midwest WWC didn't care enough to vote against him, but not mad enough to blame them for desperately clawing at future paychecks, and 100% mad at dem establishment for not reaching out to them what the gently caress
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:27
|
|
|
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:29
|
|
|
jackofarcades posted:Why do people think Starbucks is only a coastal elite thing? I live in Louisiana and we got like 10 in my city. My racist rear end aunties go to starbucks all the time. thats easy: just say Working Class instead of White Working Class. minorities make up much more of the working class than white people do and the dems took their votes for granted so much that a ton of them didn't bother voting this election. The rust belt has a lot of black workers that have also seen their livelihoods decline, though they have faced unique racial issues as well that we should continue doing work on
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:33
|
|
|
jackofarcades posted:Why do people think Starbucks is only a coastal elite thing? I live in Louisiana and we got like 10 in my city. My racist rear end aunties go to starbucks all the time. This pretty much echos how I feel about this. We absolutely need to reach the working class of all races better, this election is objective and clear point that the technocrat wing of the party has no goddamn clue what's going on in most of America. That said, I also am not a fan of this trend of pretending we can't say 'and also a poo poo ton of Trump's support came from bigotry'. Like, 2/3rds of his voters agreed with the muslim ban, about the same agreed with deportation forces and abortion bans and I think a bit less but still too many agreed gays are gross and trans people aren't a real thing and are just pervs trying to sneak in the bathrooms. His form of economic talk was entirely rooted in white nationalism, focusing not on actual issues but just saying 'THE ASIANS AND MEXICANS TOOK OUR JOBS AGH'. These facts don't have to be oppositions, we can say that we have failed the working class without pretending this is some kinda weird noble savage thing where the poor backwards babies just don't know what a goddamn starbucks is and they got tricked by the mean orange man. Working class people are hurting, they need a hand extended to them, but also a lot of them place the blame on minorities and poo poo, and those people need to be told 'maybe shut the gently caress up'. The reason we see this pushback from some is because minority voters are VERY used to being told to get in the back seat while we appeal to white people. There are a lot of people hearing 'hey we elected a white nationalist, hate crimes are already going on, things are really kinda grim for any chance of social progress and probably gonna get some regression too' and then instantly following it with 'and what about the white people, right?' These voices hear those two things and their mind goes right to 'poo poo we're about to be told to shut up and work with the guys who think we're all terrorist welfare sponges who rape and steal' not out of classism or paranoia, but because that's literally how poo poo has gone nearly every time. This isn't as new as we pretend. White Rage is a political concept, it comes whenever minorities get too much, and almost always the leftist 'no war but class war' response is 'look if we just work with the guys shouting 'JEW-S-A' and painting 'make america great again' on a burned down church, they'll elect more progressives and it'll be good for everyone'. There's a lot of voters who feel abandoned, not just white working class people, and I think a lot of people are worried that bridge building will come at a cost of minority communities, because that's how it's been before. Smugly dismissing them as 'identity politics' and all won't help, these are real concerns, and we're supposed to be on their side too.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:34
|
|
|
Regular Nintendo posted:Are you one of the chapo trap guys i think i follow one of them on twitter
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:34
|
|
|
Hillary Clinton is not president because she ran a bad campaign that lost a key portion of the Democrats' base, not because of racism, woke twitter kids, or Lena Dunham. Hillary Clinton is not president because she ran a bad campaign that lost a key portion of the Democrats' base, not because of racism, woke twitter kids, or Lena Dunham. Hillary Clinton is not president because she ran a bad campaign that lost a key portion of the Democrats' base, not because of racism, woke twitter kids, or Lena Dunham.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:39
|
|
|
Venom Snake posted:this is so dumb: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/14/hillary-clinton-defeat-republicans-trump-comey "Sometimes I think I have never seen anything as strong as Hillary Clinton" Stopped reading after the first sentence 
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:43
|
|
|
Tight Booty Shorts posted:"Sometimes I think I have never seen anything as strong as Hillary Clinton" Is strong a code word for losing multiple states in the primary to a not well known socialist senator?
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:45
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 22:01 |
|
|
Fullhouse posted:thats easy: just say Working Class instead of White Working Class. minorities make up much more of the working class than white people do and the dems took their votes for granted so much that a ton of them didn't bother voting this election. The rust belt has a lot of black workers that have also seen their livelihoods decline, though they have faced unique racial issues as well that we should continue doing work on This is a good start, but when even Sanders is talking about 'white working class' the anxiety grows. mrmcd posted:Hillary Clinton is not president because she ran a bad campaign that lost a key portion of the Democrats' base, not because of racism, woke twitter kids, or Lena Dunham. Oh man, all those Dem voters just vanished into the same aether that produced the Republican ones? Weird. Good things no actions have explanations and we simply float around in a helpless void bumping into random events. Surely if we run ANYONE but Hillary we'll sweep the country.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2016 01:45
|
|