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SeANMcBAY posted:https://twitter.com/ap/status/798332268884488192 
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free basket of chips posted:Regarding automation, when do you guys think we'll fully transition into a post work society? Literally never. We will kill ourselves first rather than think about the possibility of a society where no one, or few people, work for a living. I hope I'm proven wrong.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:25
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Rudy is a crazy neo-conservative though. He is equally crazy on Iran and maybe slightly less crazy on Russia and Venezuela. I dunno, Bolton would be a complete loving disaster. This is all making me very curious what the behind the scenes politicking looks like in the Trump protocabinet.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:26
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Trump being president with a GOP congress is extremely bad but we are likely to have a recession within the next few years and Trump is almost certainly going to horribly gently caress up and be very unpopular. He already lost the popular vote and only won the Presidency because he ran against someone who never visited a key swing state and spent more money on online trolls than Latino outreach. GOP control of state legislatures is honestly the bigger threat than Donald J Trump domestically. It's unfortunate we've spent the last few decades giving the Presidency so much foreign policy power, though.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:29
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It was a whole different thing then. Bush was predicted to be bad (some posters even predicted he'd start wars) but on the whole there just wasn't anything like the same level of split. He was seen as bad but not as cataclysmically bad. Yeah he was running on 'compassionate conservatism' 'no nation-building' so people were somewhat even-tempered with it. Lol and we see what happened there
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Nov 15, 2016 02:29
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I dunno, Bolton would be a complete loving disaster. Trump: "Hey guys can I appoint Gingrich to a Cabinet position?" Reince: "No." Trump: "Pleaseeeee?" Reince: "No. Here's a list the Heritage Foundation wrote for you."
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Nov 15, 2016 02:30
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Hollismason posted:I'd rather a thief than a zealot How'd is like a least-bad outcome tho
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Nov 15, 2016 02:31
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Fojar38 posted:No, they don't. Yeah they just need one more state to fall.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:32
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, that's fair. Basically Pence is almost certainly better on foreign policy than Trump but very likely to either just as bad or worse than Trump on domestic policy. Yeah, I think the basic difference between Trump and Pence is in predictability. Pence is a culture warrior budget slashing kind of guy who would probably be similar to GWB on foreign policy. He'd be reliably that way, though. Trump is just chaos and who the gently caress knows. It all depends on how much he goes to war with Ryan/McConnell on stuff he cares about and then that also depends on what he actually ends up caring about. For example, he might not have any animus towards gay people, but I doubt he's going to go to bat for the gay community against Pence and Congress. That's why a Trump administration seems so dangerous. You get all the fun will they/won't they of the white nationalism combined with the usual GOP wonky wankery will they/won't they of gutting Medicaid/Medicare/the VA.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:37
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It's a given they're going to roll back most of Obama's policies. Maybe the next time the Democrats get control of the government after some huge economic calamity sweeps the GOP back out they could pass some that aren't lovely compromises that people will care enough to vote for. Does anyone think that this election ends like this if the Democrats had actually put a public option in the PPACA to keep prices down? Or had real, lasting aid to people losing their homes?
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Nov 15, 2016 02:38
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Lightning Knight posted:Trump: "Hey guys can I appoint Gingrich to a Cabinet position?" Obama pokes his head in the door: "If you go with anyone recommended by Heritage, I've got a killer puppet joke lined up involving Heritage, gold, and your hair."
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Nov 15, 2016 02:39
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PhazonLink posted:Yeah they just need one more state to fall. Not every state with a red legislature cares about gay marriage, certainly not enough to want a constitutional amendment.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:40
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:How'd is like a least-bad outcome tho Your worst case scenario doesn't include me being put into some sort of camp or wearing a identifying badge so people can decide whether to discriminate against me though..
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Nov 15, 2016 02:40
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Maarek posted:It's a given they're going to roll back most of Obama's policies. Maybe the next time the Democrats get control of the government after some huge economic calamity sweeps the GOP back out they could pass some that aren't lovely compromises that people will care enough to vote for. Does anyone think that this election ends like this if the Democrats had actually put a public option in the PPACA to keep prices down? Or had real, lasting aid to people losing their homes? I have no doubt they will claim to have rolled back Obama's policies while ending up keeping most of them because they're fairly sane reasonable policies. So watch them pass some tweaks to Obamacare, claim they've replaced it, and then try to take credit for the healthcare system being slightly less of a disaster mostly due to the continued existence of Obamacare. Nearly every piece of Obamacare is popular. They would love to file the serial numbers off it so they can steal credit. I anticipate we will see a lot of stuff like that. GOP are evil liars, but they're not stupid. I don't think Ryan/McConnell are going to want to kick 20 million people off their healthcare day 1. They will totally gut social security and medicare for everybody under 55, though. Since the effects of that won't be immediate. Dodd-Frank, on the other hand, is so loving gone. ErIog fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Nov 15, 2016 02:40
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Ah the classic Bolton - Ghouliani bait and switch.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:40
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citybeatnik posted:My family's systematically fled from both Laredo and Nuevo Laredo once this happened: http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jun/10/world/fg-chief10 Holy poo poo, I have done some work in Nuevo Laredo and heard about the police chief getting murdered. My company always get kidnapping insurance for us when we go. I remember a few years ago one of the drug cartels hung a bunch of people from a overpass.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:40
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Someone explain to the republican rubes that their anti establishment candidate basically has nothing but the absolute worst shittiest people of the establishment on his cabinet.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:42
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ErIog posted:I have no doubt they will claim to have rolled back Obama's policies while ending up keeping most of them because they're fairly sane reasonable policies. So watch them pass some tweaks to Obamacare, claim they've replaced, and then try to take credit for the healthcare system being slightly less of a disaster mostly due to the continued existence of Obamacare. They will almost certainly roll back his modest reforms on finance, climate change, and immigration, though. I don't know what they'll do with the PPACA but it certainly won't fix the underlying problem with it--the for profit health insurance system. Fojar38 posted:Not every state with a red legislature cares about gay marriage, certainly not enough to want a constitutional amendment. Gay marriage is much more popular nationally than abortion, which is the area people should really worry about IMO.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:43
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Al-Saqr posted:Someone explain to the republican rubes that their anti establishment candidate basically has nothing but the absolute worst shittiest people of the establishment on his cabinet. Why would this be seen as a bad thing?
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Nov 15, 2016 02:43
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Al-Saqr posted:Someone explain to the republican rubes that their anti establishment candidate basically has nothing but the absolute worst shittiest people of the establishment on his cabinet. I did this and got told, "well it'll be better than all those ivory tower assholes who have hosed everything up!" When I pressed for specific examples of things being messed up, I was told, "healthcare, energy policy, the middle east..." The problem with Trump is going to be getting the base to ever admit he did anything wrong. He didn't get elected for policy. So there's no policy way to undermine his credibility with his base. The only way his credibility would be undermined is if we could show Nixon-level smoking gun corruption, and even then it would just be met with, "media has it in for him." We're in a very "our dear leader," kind of situation. ErIog fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Nov 15, 2016 02:45
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That isn't really true, anyway. Do you think Paul Ryan would be choosing guys like Giulani and Stephen Bannon if he was choosing Trump's advisors? We're gonna get ghouls but they might not be establishment GOP ghouls. They might be whackjob ghouls.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:45
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Al-Saqr posted:Someone explain to the republican rubes that their anti establishment candidate basically has nothing but the absolute worst shittiest people of the establishment on his cabinet. my lovely coworkers would just say he'll fire them if they do poorly (read: I have no idea what a fascist-supporter thinks that means).
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Nov 15, 2016 02:45
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The absolute nuttiest of Trump supporters treat Trump as their fuhrer and will never be convinced of anything. But if you know someone in, say, the rust belt who sincerely believed and hoped in the "drain the swamp" rhetoric, you've got an opening.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:46
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Deadulus posted:Holy poo poo, I have done some work in Nuevo Laredo and heard about the police chief getting murdered. The last time I was back there was for my grandmother's funeral. We left basically immediately after. People talk about going to Canada because you can get away with speaking English there as opposed to Spanish.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:46
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Fojar38 posted:The absolute nuttiest of Trump supporters treat Trump as their fuhrer and will never be convinced of anything. But if you know someone in, say, the rust belt who sincerely believed and hoped in the "drain the swamp" rhetoric, you've got an opening. YUP, take a look at Trump's last ad buy and you should get a big clue about what they're saying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vST61W4bGm8
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Nov 15, 2016 02:46
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ErIog posted:Yeah, I think the basic difference between Trump and Pence is in predictability. Pence is a culture warrior budget slashing kind of guy who would probably be similar to GWB on foreign policy. He'd be reliably that way, though. That chaos is a double-edged sword, though. I would be way more scared of a Pence administration because it would be a well-oiled machine, built and operated efficiently to gently caress over as many people as possible. We're only four days out from the election and Trump's team is a dysfunctional mess, with Trump completely unprepared to handle to job and his schizophrenic choices in cabinet picks alienating different factions of the right from each other. Trump is just as bad as the GOP if not worse, but he'll make way more unforced errors than an actual GOP stooge would.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:47
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Al-Saqr posted:Someone explain to the republican rubes that their anti establishment candidate basically has nothing but the absolute worst shittiest people of the establishment on his cabinet. This is the best part of anti-establishmentism on the right. Not only do they still choose the establishment people - how can they not, they're the party of unrestricted, unfettered control by the establishment - they pick the worst establishment people, because they're the only bottom feeding dregs that are so unliked by their own party they'd latch on to somebody like Trump.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:48
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HorseRenoir posted:That chaos is a double-edged sword, though. A double-edged sword where one of the edges has been dipped in ethno-nationalist fascism so, while Pence would be a nightmare.. it would be classic GWB shennanigans that Dems and the press are used to dealing with. Already we have outlets legitimizing the appointment of Bannon by talking about the loving office dynamics of a Reince/Bannon west wing. poo poo's real hosed. Lightning Knight posted:This is the best part of anti-establishmentism on the right. Not only do they still choose the establishment people - how can they not, they're the party of unrestricted, unfettered control by the establishment - they pick the worst establishment people, because they're the only bottom feeding dregs that are so unliked by their own party they'd latch on to somebody like Trump. With so many Bush admin people being tapped by Trump I think we're going to see the hagiography of GWB start to be built up. The only reason they backed away from him was because the economy imploded after 8 years of rule and the middle east was a quagmire. Now that we're a bit more disconnected from that stuff I bet we start to see a snap back on the anti-Bush rhetoric. ErIog fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Nov 15, 2016 02:50
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Rudy is a crazy neo-conservative though. He is equally crazy on Iran and maybe slightly less crazy on Russia and Venezuela. Rudy is a disgusting, opportunistic poo poo-vulture who I would gladly toss into a bottomless pit and let the world forget ever existed. I didn't want him in NYC and I sure as gently caress don't want him near DC.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:50
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ErIog posted:Already we have outlets legitimizing the appointment of Bannon by talking about the loving office dynamics of a Reince/Bannon west wing. poo poo's real hosed. Underestimation of the radical racist groups is going to kill a lot of hopes and dreams around here. It's not about whether or not everyone who voted for Trump is racist, it's about the fact that actual, radicalized fascists have been intentionally infiltrating police forces, the military, and the government in this country and now hold an advisory role and directly managed the campaign of the President of the United States. Donald Trump may not be a true believer, but he's a con man who could be manipulated and there's an actual fascist trying to do just that from the background.
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z0glin Warchief posted:At this point I think the best we can hope for is infighting that delays their agenda such that they don't get too much done before a Dem win in 2018 gets control of the Senate/House, which allows for stonewalling until hopefully taking the presidency back in 2020. they're going to lose at minimum 3 senate seats in 2018, possibly up to 7 or 8 the house is out of reach for at least a couple cycles barring a complete meltdown of both the trump administration and congress, which isn't entirely impossible but i wouldn't bet serious money on it Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Rudy is a crazy neo-conservative though. He is equally crazy on Iran and maybe slightly less crazy on Russia and Venezuela. also he's suffering from the early stages of dementia
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ErIog posted:A double-edged sword where one of the edges has been dipped in ethno-nationalist fascism so, while Pence would be a nightmare.. it would be classic GWB shennanigans that Dems and the press are used to dealing with. At this point, what is the difference between the current GOP platform and ethno-nationalist fascism, besides marketability?
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Nov 15, 2016 02:55
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Weirdly Roy " Human Garbage" Cohn got Giuliani a US Attorney postion http://thetruthserumblog.blogspot.com/2016/09/how-roy-cohn-got-rudy-giuliani.html quote:
So yeah.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:55
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Maarek posted:It's a given they're going to roll back most of Obama's policies. Maybe the next time the Democrats get control of the government after some huge economic calamity sweeps the GOP back out they could pass some that aren't lovely compromises that people will care enough to vote for. Does anyone think that this election ends like this if the Democrats had actually put a public option in the PPACA to keep prices down? Or had real, lasting aid to people losing their homes? PRAGMATISM and keeping taxes low for the 1% (as well as allowing black, asians, and latinos to be part of executive boards) is more important. Click here to donate to Priorities USA
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Nov 15, 2016 02:56
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Bolton would be far worse than Rudy, there is no further discussion to be had.
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Nov 15, 2016 02:58
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Lightning Knight posted:Underestimation of the radical racist groups is going to kill a lot of hopes and dreams around here. It's not about whether or not everyone who voted for Trump is racist, it's about the fact that actual, radicalized fascists have been intentionally infiltrating police forces, the military, and the government in this country and now hold an advisory role and directly managed the campaign of the President of the United States. "Infiltrating" lol. When has this ever not been true?
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Bolton would be far worse than Rudy, there is no further discussion to be had. Do you think Trump will offer him the old UN Ambassador job back?
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Nov 15, 2016 02:59
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HorseRenoir posted:At this point, what is the difference between the current GOP platform and ethno-nationalist fascism, besides marketability? Ah yes the ethno-nationalist fascist party that got 30% of the Latino vote.
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Nov 15, 2016 03:00
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spotlessd posted:"Infiltrating" lol. When has this ever not been true? Neoliberal capitalism isn't the same thing as fascism and trying to downplay that is a huge strategic error. Neoliberals will fight us. Fascists will murder us. Edit: ^ lotta Hispanic people want to be part of the white in-group. "Whiteness" isn't a meaningful distinction, they can extend it to other people at any time if they want.
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Maarek posted:Ah yes the ethno-nationalist fascist party that got 30% of the Latino vote. I thought that was only in Florida?
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