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twistedmentat posted:I mean, aren't their laws against malicious prosecution? Police cannot just keep going after people that are suspected of a crime unless new evidence keeps showing up. I guess congressional stuff won't need to worry about regular police and legal practices. It's certainly possible but I'm not going to bet anything on the right-wing base having any rationality or decency when they've been feeding their addiction to Clinton scandals for basically forever. e: related to what others have said though it's also possible that if Trump and Fox stop talking about it they'll lose interest. Or maybe they'll turn on him if he stands by his "they're good people" stance. Who knows. Polygynous fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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twistedmentat posted:I mean, aren't their laws against malicious prosecution? Police cannot just keep going after people that are suspected of a crime unless new evidence keeps showing up. I guess congressional stuff won't need to worry about regular police and legal practices. Very hard cases to win
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Fojar38 posted:They've neutralized Hillary as a political threat, they don't care anymore. She was never much of a political threat (hell, she works with them enough) - she was a heel, a broadly loathed scapegoat they could wave around to distract the base from their own failure to deliver, who conveniently supported much of the GOP establishment's least popular sausage-making policy, thus letting them carry on with their wars and trade deals and corporate welfare without having to fully own them; if they turned out to be vote-losers they were the Democrats' fault. The Republicans don't want her to be President but they never want her out of the public eye; Hillary Clinton is going to live forever. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Fojar38 posted:Actually, they really don't give a single gently caress. You think that they were holding Benghazi investigations because they actually cared about any alleged wrongdoing? They were holding Benghazi investigations because when Benghazi bullshit didn't keep Obama from being reelected like Romney hoped, they wanted to transfer blame to the person who was obviously going to run in 2016. Actually getting her found guilty of any wrongdoing was the part that was a cool bonus, keeping her out of the White House was the big thing. It paid off pretty well, but now there's a lot less need.
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Fojar38 posted:Actually, they really don't give a single gently caress. You think that they were holding Benghazi investigations because they actually cared about any alleged wrongdoing? No, but I think they're vindictive and want to hurt their enemies and I think Clinton conspiracy bullshit has been great for the right wing outrage-industrial complex for years.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:No, but I think they're vindictive and want to hurt their enemies and I think Clinton conspiracy bullshit has been great for the right wing outrage-industrial complex for years. I think it might be over for her now though. It kind of makes me sad because I was one of the dozens of people who sincerely liked Clinton and thought she would make a good President, but she's not getting back up after this one. The dragon is dead, everyone saw it die, they can't keep blaming their arson attacks on it.
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:I guess Vince McMahon's murderer goes free.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1lfhNju084&t=94s
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Related to what I said about RWM being built on Clinton Hate, I feel like this was their ultimate goal, keep her from becoming President. It's actually going to be interesting to see what their next move is going to be. They'll clearly need to find a new Target, probably Sanders now that he's a lot more high profile, and they can scream SOCIALISM from the rooftops, Warren as well. But really, none have the decades of hate and literally hundreds of theories about them. Obviously they'll throw as much against the wall as they can and see what sticks.
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Hollismason posted:I'm curious as well. Where would one even find information on that. look up your nearest freemason guild
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twistedmentat posted:Related to what I said about RWM being built on Clinton Hate, I feel like this was their ultimate goal, keep her from becoming President. It's actually going to be interesting to see what their next move is going to be. They'll clearly need to find a new Target, probably Sanders now that he's a lot more high profile, and they can scream SOCIALISM from the rooftops, Warren as well. But really, none have the decades of hate and literally hundreds of theories about them. Obviously they'll throw as much against the wall as they can and see what sticks. It's gonna be Obama. Both Michelle and Barack.
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Lote posted:It's gonna be Obama. Both Michelle and Barack. They are much too popular, especially Michelle. They don't have any baggage. And Obama's approval is only going to continue to go up after we see Trump take office.
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twistedmentat posted:Related to what I said about RWM being built on Clinton Hate, I feel like this was their ultimate goal, keep her from becoming President. It's actually going to be interesting to see what their next move is going to be. They'll clearly need to find a new Target, probably Sanders now that he's a lot more high profile, and they can scream SOCIALISM from the rooftops, Warren as well. But really, none have the decades of hate and literally hundreds of theories about them. Obviously they'll throw as much against the wall as they can and see what sticks. Trump really went in on the 'corrupt Clinton fixed the nomination against Bernie, a true man of the people' narrative, recognizing what certainly appears to be legitimate sympathies for the Sanders message among his base and trying to co-opt him. And Trump's gonna be the Republicans' PR strategist for a while now. They'll pivot if the economic populists somehow completely overthrow the entire Democratic party machinery and run all the bastards out in the next two-four years, but right now until they've done some reframing attacking the Sanders/Warren progressive caucus on economic terms would drive a wedge between the party leadership and their base, not their base and the Democrats, and unless Obama retreats to his ranch to go bushhoggin' for the rest of his days they'll always have at least one punching bag in Washington. Socialism really isn't the boogeyman it used to be, America is on to being terrified of muslims and pink-haired treasurers of the campus anti-fatshaming league giving us the 'side-eye'. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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twistedmentat posted:Related to what I said about RWM being built on Clinton Hate, I feel like this was their ultimate goal, keep her from becoming President. It's actually going to be interesting to see what their next move is going to be. They'll clearly need to find a new Target, probably Sanders now that he's a lot more high profile, and they can scream SOCIALISM from the rooftops, Warren as well. But really, none have the decades of hate and literally hundreds of theories about them. Obviously they'll throw as much against the wall as they can and see what sticks. That's part of why I think 2016 is a Pyrrhic victory for the GOP. They finally won, but their success was built on years and years of laser-focused hatred of the Clintons, Obama, and Congressional Democrats who got in their way. The GOP has defined itself for so long as an opposition party railing against a defined enemy that "winning" and suddenly being unequivocally in charge and responsible for governing puts them into unfamiliar and dangerous territory. I don't think people are going to abandon the GOP en masse or anything, but they just lost their main sense of purpose and I don't see them bringing anything positive to the table that will actually entice voters to continue being excited about their movement. It's a lot easier to motivate voters when you're in the opposition.
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HorseRenoir posted:That's part of why I think 2016 is a Pyrrhic victory for the GOP. They finally won, but their success was built on years and years of laser-focused hatred of the Clintons, Obama, and Congressional Democrats who got in their way. The GOP has defined itself for so long as an opposition party railing against a defined enemy that "winning" and suddenly being unequivocally in charge and responsible for governing puts them into unfamiliar and dangerous territory. I don't think people are going to abandon the GOP en masse or anything, but they just lost their main sense of purpose and I don't see them bringing anything positive to the table that will actually entice voters to continue being excited about their movement. It's a lot easier to motivate voters when you're in the opposition. Yeah, I mean look at how hard it was to refocus their laser focused hatred of Clinton at Obama when he took office. They'll hate any popular democrat with a chance of being president.
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Guy Goodbody posted:The Republicans aren't hijacking SCOTUS, you moron. The president nominates Justices and the Senate votes to approve the appointments. Just because you don't like the Justices appointed doesn't mean they're illegitimate.
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For that matter same goes for all the federal judges Trump is going to pack the courts with now. Anyone who takes the federal judiciary seriously at this point, right or left, is a loving idiot.
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Noctone posted:john loving bolton for SoS are you goddamn kidding me? i thought we flushed that turd down the deepest toilet We're going to invade Iran so he can get our weapons back.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I think it might be over for her now though. Ding dong, the witch is dead 
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Mustached Demon posted:We're going to invade Iran so he can get our weapons back. Once we get our F-14s back we're all gonna be in the danger zone now.
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Xae posted:Yeah, I mean look at how hard it was to refocus their laser focused hatred of Clinton at Obama when he took office. But Hillary was involved with the Obama administration so that really wasn't hard. Plus Obama has a scary forgien sounding name and his dad was an immigrant from some weird place in Africa. Obama was an easy target. But Say someone like Corey Booker rises up, they need to create a whole new set of memes to attack him with. He was the mayor of a town that was going to poo poo! Well, that's a lot of these places. I guess they can attack with the dogwhistles about blacks, but that's still a limited venue of attack. I admit, I don't know much about Booker, but that makes him an ideal candidate in this example, a fairly unknown person that doesn't have decades of iffy history.
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The GOP is going after the free press next, specifically the NY Times and elite dailies. They're really the only viable foil to the Republicans right now. I would have said Warren, Pelosi, or Harris as outspoken, qualified women, but they're already effectively neutralized, so yeah... welcome to fascism.
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Kobayashi posted:The GOP is going after the free press next, specifically the NY Times and elite dailies. They're really the only viable foil to the Republicans right now. I would have said Warren, Pelosi, or Harris as outspoken, qualified women, but they're already effectively neutralized, so yeah... welcome to fascism. Who cares, cable news is poo poo anyway. The Trumpster is going to make the news great again, just you watch.
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Kobayashi posted:The GOP is going after the free press next, specifically the NY Times and elite dailies. They're really the only viable foil to the Republicans right now. I would have said Warren, Pelosi, or Harris as outspoken, qualified women, but they're already effectively neutralized, so yeah... welcome to fascism. And stacking courts to prevent challenges to upcoming Kim David gay discrimination laws.
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Kobayashi posted:The GOP is going after the free press next, specifically the NY Times and elite dailies. They're really the only viable foil to the Republicans right now. I would have said Warren, Pelosi, or Harris as outspoken, qualified women, but they're already effectively neutralized, so yeah... welcome to fascism. yeah i don't think anyone is going to care too much about traditional media anymore. the only people that they really had as an audience were old centrist liberals and they did a pretty good job pissing away all of that good will with "EMAILS EMAILS EMAILS" and getting the election wrong on pretty much every measurable level
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To updade an Onion headline President Trump increases Drone strikes on the New York Times "We must continue this course to protect the office of the President from dumb stupid meanie heads!" Though I think any Trump scandals will be shouted from the roof tops because he's a celeb and people love to see celebs get in poo poo. He's gonna fart while meeting the Queen or some other dumb thing and the media wont shut up about it.
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HorseRenoir posted:That's part of why I think 2016 is a Pyrrhic victory for the GOP. They finally won, but their success was built on years and years of laser-focused hatred of the Clintons, Obama, and Congressional Democrats who got in their way. The GOP has defined itself for so long as an opposition party railing against a defined enemy that "winning" and suddenly being unequivocally in charge and responsible for governing puts them into unfamiliar and dangerous territory. I don't think people are going to abandon the GOP en masse or anything, but they just lost their main sense of purpose and I don't see them bringing anything positive to the table that will actually entice voters to continue being excited about their movement. It's a lot easier to motivate voters when you're in the opposition. im pretty sure that if trump faceplants on the populist message (he will) and sanders becomes the kingmaker of the democratic party, they'll come home one thing the election taught us, its that people are tired of being given platitudes and have the rug yanked out from under them the second the candidate they voted for gets into office. i have to applaud trump insofar as he's betraying his base in almost record time.
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Mustached Demon posted:And stacking courts to prevent challenges to upcoming Kim David gay discrimination laws. This is where I contort myself into knots and find hope: It's going to make it slightly harder to undermine the court system when the GOP gets to appoint a replacement to the Supreme Court on Day 1 that doesn't, in and of itself, fundamentally change the balance that existed before the election. Had the GOP not stonewalled Garland, or had Scalia not died, I have no doubt that Trump would have gone after the court the second he was on a losing end of a decision. It makes that argument marginally more difficult when it's partially his court. Or, maybe not. It was more convincing in my head before I typed it out.
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twistedmentat posted:But Hillary was involved with the Obama administration so that really wasn't hard. Plus Obama has a scary forgien sounding name and his dad was an immigrant from some weird place in Africa. Obama was an easy target. But Say someone like Corey Booker rises up, they need to create a whole new set of memes to attack him with. He was the mayor of a town that was going to poo poo! Well, that's a lot of these places. I guess they can attack with the dogwhistles about blacks, but that's still a limited venue of attack. I really don't think it matters too much. They'll go after anyone who is a threat. With hundreds of talk radio hosts hammering away around the clock any particularly effective lines of attack get quickly escalated and disseminated. Kobayashi posted:This is where I contort myself into knots and find hope: It's going to make it slightly harder to undermine the court system when the GOP gets to appoint a replacement to the Supreme Court on Day 1 that doesn't, in and of itself, fundamentally change the balance that existed before the election. Had the GOP not stonewalled Garland, or had Scalia not died, I have no doubt that Trump would have gone after the court the second he was on a losing end of a decision. It makes that argument marginally more difficult when it's partially his court. Or, maybe not. It was more convincing in my head before I typed it out. I have less faith in "The System" than I do in Trumps ability to be a petulant child and spite the GOP for real or imagined slights.
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Xae posted:I really don't think it matters too much. quote:I have less faith in "The System" than I do in Trumps ability to be a petulant child and spite the GOP for real or imagined slights. how do you reconcile these two ideas? there's apparently going to be some sort of national fascist uprising and crackdown on dozens of potential targets coming from a party that couldn't even stop a reality tv star from hijacking their party??? i mean in the past 48 hours Trump has said he's going to keep parts of Oblammocare and said Hillary was actually a sweet old grandma. its going to be complete and total chaos for 4 years and nothing will get done
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Yeah, Trump's an autocrat, but I don't really see how he cracks down on the press. At most we'll see him play games with credentialing at the WH or just kick the press out entirely. If he does that, though, then the press will eat him alive because he won't be able to hold access over their heads anymore. There is nothing the press loves more than reporting on themselves. They'll go apoplectic if he starts messing with press access. He tried to play that game during the election and got criticized hard for it, and that was even when nobody thought he would win. If he pulls that poo poo as president then it's over. His campaign was also leaky as gently caress and he's appointing these same people to his staff.
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http://www.eagletribune.com/news/local-teamsters-vote-in-favor-of-school-bus-strike/article_1ae67c74-85e9-5c13-b5bd-837a4bc96ffa.html Teamsters Local 633 has voted to authorize a strike if national-level negotiations in Washington on Wednesday fall through on the union's pension fund and First Student's 401(k) retirement plans.
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Business Gorillas posted:how do you reconcile these two ideas? It's going to be complete and total chaos with a guy who openly fantasizes about himself as Caesar and has FISA courts, extraordinary renditions, and the most comprehensive secret police surveillance operation in history in his arsenal Best case, yeah, just a mess with the Republicans trying and failing to lead their fuehrer into their thousand-year empire and being foiled at every turn by his ten-second attention span, worst case things get ugly when the economy's down and Trump falls back on authoritarian bullying when he's not high on his new presidency and getting to schmooze with Obama anymore, in the position both parties have been busily packing autocratic powers into under the assumption that people like them would rule unchallenged forever A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Best case, yeah, just a mess with the Republicans trying and failing to lead their fuehrer into their thousand-year empire and being foiled at every turn by his ten-second attention span, worst case things get ugly when the economy's down and Trump falls back on authoritarian bullying when he's not high on his new presidency and getting to schmooze with Obama anymore, in the position both parties have been busily heaping autocratic powers on for a couple decades now There's the real issue. It's been a week, Trump is currently subsisting on the greatest patriotic sacrifice of all time in Obama's effort to keep the nation from descending into chaos. He has yet to actually, legitimately, for-real assume power. When the terrifying maw of intractable problems finally lands on his plate and he feels the heat of a squabbling inner-circle, a hostile press, belligerent foreign actors, and bitch-rear end whiny leftists, of course he's going to flip poo poo on Twitter and get back on the road to his Hitler youth rallies. That's when the real poo poo starts. "Get 'em outta here," he says to the Tomahawk missile.
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Sir Tonk posted:We're pretty lucky Trump went so hard at the Bushes in the primaries, the only living Presidents he can call for advice are Bill and Obama (lol noone would ever call Carter). He could call Carter if he wants to know how to piss off every senator.
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Sir Tonk posted:We're pretty lucky Trump went so hard at the Bushes in the primaries, the only living Presidents he can call for advice are Bill and Obama (lol noone would ever call Carter). JC's doing great stuff all around the world. Don't bother him with politics. Been there, done that. He's off doing better and brighter things now like ridding the world of diseases forever.
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Admiral Ray posted:He could call Carter if he wants to know how to piss off every senator. I doubt he's going to need help with that.
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