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Pellisworth posted:imo the most Christian thing to do is help kids regardless of their parentage, if you have kids of your own cool but it's really a loving awesome thing to foster or adopt kids. The American baby-adoption business (and it is a business) is waaaaay undersupplied; there aren't healthy white babies waiting unadopted. Cross-racial adoption has been reported, by the adult children of cross-racial adopters, to have lifelong effects on their self-image and self-worth. Adopting babies from overseas has led to horrible baby-buying rings in most countries where it's been tried, complete with children being kidnapped or coerced from mothers. The Christian thing to do for a baby whose mother is too poor to feed it is to help the mother. Older children who need adoption need special skills and patience, because children generally do not wind up in the foster-care system until their home lives are unbearable. Many parents who are capable of raising a child from a baby are not capable of raising a child who has been abused or neglected. Saying "Don't have a baby, adopt" is like saying "Don't drive, give the money to the AudubonSociety". Some people are called to make that sacrifice. Some people can't make that sacrifice. And some people plain don't want to, and do good in other ways. There are many different ways to organize your life and responsibilities, and no one choice is obviously correct. Lutha Mahtin posted:A minor thing to keep in mind here is that an "infertile" person or couple is often just diagnosed that way by a doctor, so science being imperfect, this means they could in theory surprise everyone and have kids someday. See: that King of the Hill episode about Hank's narrow urethra.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:It's complicated. Yikes, that's pretty gross. I guess I'll amend my previous thought to something along the lines of "it's probably better to adopt than make babbies but holy poo poo the US adoption system is awful." Arsenic Lupin posted:Again, I'm not a lady so my opinion doesn't really count on this. Hi mom! No seriously, my mom is about your age and I mean that with all the respect I have for her. I think it's a cultural universal that you hate your parents in your teens but hit your mid-twenties and look back thinking "yeah, my parents were totally loving right about most everything." Maybe I approach the whole thing from an overly scientific perspective. I'll let our Catholigoons comment from a much more knowledgeable position, but maybe it's a more abstracted concept. P-in-V sex, discounting the individuals involved, is the only kind of sex that results in conception. In whatever case I still don't get the distinction between sex with contraception and infertility. In both instances there is no expectation of pregnancy, though there's a slim chance it might happen.
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 03:06 |
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why is buttsex bad
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 03:54 |
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Pellisworth posted:
I was the opposite And no, cultures where teens are expected to live inside of a large extended family and not leave and strike out on your own have harmonious teen years
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 03:55 |
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it hurts if you don't do it right ...i rarely do it right
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 03:57 |
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Smoking Crow posted:I was the opposite yeah more than half my friends growing up were second-cousins, poo poo's weird Mo Tzu posted:it hurts if you don't do it right I'm going to hate myself for this, but (explicit) if they say they love you it slips right in e: late night thread takes a dark turn, SIN BOLDLY but actually, serious conversation about sexuality in Christianity is very interesting and timely
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 04:00 |
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Pellisworth posted:A couple diagnosed infertile in some way has sex with the expectation no children can be conceived It's different because I was talking about intent, and you are talking about expectation . quote:You talk intent, but intent can be variable. Maybe the couple using contraception really wants to have children, but they're 22 and 24 years old and don't have stable, good-paying jobs able to support a family so they're waiting. Maybe the couple using contraception can't afford a pregnancy because it would mean the mother takes a year off from work and there's no compensation. The Catholic thing is that sex is fine if it's a (married hetero cis monogamous) couple who are "open to" the idea of children being produced by the sex. You don't get to say "yeah I want kids but not now" or "there is a 99.999% chance any children I create will be born with a condition that makes the entirety of their life filled with crippling physical pain" or any other thing as justification for using birth control. As you can tell from my last example I don't agree with some aspects of this, but that's the rule.
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 04:43 |
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Arsenic Lupin posted:The claim, as I understand it, is that all acts of intimacy must be "open to conception", or words to that effect. I'm 57. There is no act of intimacy I am capable of that is open to conception. Pregnancy after 50? It's more likely than you think! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy_over_age_50
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A friend of mine just gave birth a few days before her 50th birthday, so it's definitely possible.
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genola posted:A friend of mine just gave birth a few days before her 50th birthday, so it's definitely possible. "Before" is very different from "after" in this case. Most women experience menopause at some point between 45-50, and after that it's basically impossible to get pregnant. It's the original NFP in a way. Anyway, the church doesn't say you can only have sex when procreation is possible (or else they'd have to mandate that young couples only have sex on fertile days as well as forbidding it for older couples). They do say you have to be "open" to it. The difference is that when you use contraception (other than periodic/total abstinence), you're intentionally disabling that part of your nature, which is different from it just not being in play for reasons outside your control. The Catholic church does allow women to use hormonal drugs as medication for PCOS and so forth, even if they also prevent conception. The concern is that when you use contraception, babies are no longer a gift from God, but rather something that you order to taste when you "feel ready", which leads to a whole host of practical and philosophical problems. I don't personally practice this teaching, but I think it does make sense. Arguably you could fit in gay couples under the "infertile" category, but that ignores that non-PiV orgasms are also forbidden by default iirc.
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 07:35 |
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I'm not happy that masturbation is still frowned upon. Sure, it's because sex is supposed o be an act between two loving people, but if the girlfriend doesn't mind and I sent her dick pics once or twice... Whatever, we should ditch the whole sex thing and leave it in vague terms of moral choice, because I don't want to think too much about camming, dogging, cucking and whetever else in terms of Christian morality. Liberation theology seems like a cooler way to go. Down with the dicks, up with the poor! In similar vein: a Christian politician shouldn't ban prostitution, but legalize, regulate and tax it, and help build support structures to give sex workers opportunity to get a job that sucks/fucks them in the rear end metaphorically (Wallmart: is it more dignified than turning tricks?). "Trolling of wannabe pornstars," while funny in an "I'm a horrible person and I'm going to Hell" kinda way, shows that porn attracts poor, uneducated and traumatized ladies.
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 07:52 |
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Mo Tzu posted:it hurts if you don't do it right Don't shame people who like it when it hurts
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 09:39 |
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Tias posted:Don't shame people who like it when it hurts
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 09:52 |
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HEY GAL posted:don't injure yourself, friend In years of BDSM fun I've never gotten a fraction of the injuries than I did from one day of drinking :priorities: Aren't you the person who gets hit in the head with pikes for recreational purposes
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 09:55 |
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THAT'S UNFAIR AND UNTRUE. sometimes it's swords :p:
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 10:06 |
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I will never do BDSM because what if I like it and every time I take a punch practicing kung fu I get a massive erection.
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Unless this is some weird thing where you can't get boners because of Jesus watching you, I really don't understand why you wouldn't want to work out what you consider most pleasurable in life.
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 11:58 |
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I'm not into BDSM because
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Tell us about your Balkan Orthodox fetishes, forum poster my dad!
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Pellisworth posted:Hi mom! No seriously, my mom is about your age and I mean that with all the respect I have for her. I think it's a cultural universal that you hate your parents in your teens but hit your mid-twenties and look back thinking "yeah, my parents were totally loving right about most everything." e: Paladinus posted:Pregnancy after 50? It's more likely than you think! (screams in fear) Fortunately, I'm not on HRT. Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Y'all are weird
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:49 |
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Smoking Crow posted:Y'all are weird This is news?
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 16:59 |
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when the america-dwellers are asleep the only people posting here are the germans, the nordics, my dad, and me; that's gonna make things a little weird
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Whoops, looks like St. Jerome is more susceptible to than St. Augustine (who had several illegitimate children [and one even canonized])From St. Jerome's letters: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3001.htm posted:
I don't think this is the issue at hand, since St. Jerome went on later to live a celibate life after he was ordained in his late 30s. Just thought it was worth sharing with the thread. Still digging for appropriate texts of the Fathers on the topic.
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:08 |
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my mom was an alcoholic when i was a kid and suicidally depressed, and she'd act out by yelling at and screaming at anyone for any reason and was just mean. She's been sober since my dad died and like she's done a total 180. that, plus transitioning causing me to let go of a lot of anger and self hatred I've had since childhood has allowed us to have an actually decent relationship. It sucks tho cause like she has no memory of the verbally abusive poo poo she'd do to our whole family, so she'll say things like "can you imagine? her own children are terrified of her. you guys were never afraid of me," having no memory of me asking my father, in tears, to not tell her about me forgetting to do a project in school and her screaming at him for not having dinner ready because he was helping me. that poo poo hurts
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Having a boner in public is deeply shameful. Having a boner in church is terrifying. Doing things with one's boners is generally an upsetting experience with or without a partner. There's a lot of theology to boners.
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HEY GAL posted:when the america-dwellers are asleep the only people posting here are the germans, the nordics, my dad, and me; that's gonna make things a little weird https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IyAGpooGko
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 17:12 |
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Again off topic, but we should totally reinstate St. Basil's suggested punishment for clerics who molest children.St. Basil of Caesarea posted:The cleric or monk who molests youths or boys or is caught kissing or committing some turpitude, let him be whipped in public, deprived of his crown [tonsure] and, after having his head shaved, let his face be covered with spittle; and [let him be] bound in iron chains, condemned to six months in prison, reduced to eating rye bread once a day in the evening three times per week. After these six months living in a separate cell under the custody of a wise elder with great spiritual experience, let him be subjected to prayers, vigils and manual work, always under the guard of two spiritual brothers, without being allowed to have any relationship … with young people.
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Ceciltron posted:Having a boner in public is deeply shameful. Having a boner in church is terrifying. Doing things with one's boners is generally an upsetting experience with or without a partner. There's a lot of theology to boners. Does anyone remember the comic that goes, "Oh my God it's [webcomic artist I don't remember]!" and he goes "I. Hate. Getting boners" this reminds me of that. also it was loving funny okay
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Mo Tzu posted:It sucks tho cause like she has no memory of the verbally abusive poo poo she'd do to our whole family, so she'll say things like "can you imagine? her own children are terrified of her. you guys were never afraid of me," having no memory of me asking my father, in tears, to not tell her about me forgetting to do a project in school and her screaming at him for not having dinner ready because he was helping me. that poo poo hurts
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 18:44 |
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Not having a boner can be a terrifying thing in certain situations!
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 18:47 |
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thinking of you, Mo Tzu. Family troubles suck.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Consider the possibility that she is choosing to have no memory of it. It's a classic narcissist strategy; anything upsetting simply didn't happen. Whether she's choosing it or not, she's gaslighting you. She isn't, because when informed of the reality she doesn't try to convince me it didn't happen but instead goes, "oh. oh god." Also you really don't realize how hosed up your childhood was until you mention things like this and people go, "oh my god that's horrible." Oops.
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Tias posted:Unless this is some weird thing where you can't get boners because of Jesus watching you, I really don't understand why you wouldn't want to work out what you consider most pleasurable in life. If this was about my post I feel the need to let you know that my post about gettin' boners while doing Wing Chun was a joke.
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 22:26 |
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Mo Tzu posted:She isn't, because when informed of the reality she doesn't try to convince me it didn't happen but instead goes, "oh. oh god." I can relate to a bit of this. My mother went through an alcoholic phase and there are things I know for a fact I'm the only one who remembers, because both my parents were drunk and my siblings were tiny.
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Mo Tzu posted:Also you really don't realize how hosed up your childhood was until you mention things like this and people go, "oh my god that's horrible." Oops. This is extremely relatable.
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# ? Nov 15, 2016 23:20 |
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Christianity Thread II: I have a Horatius Bonar right now
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Christianity Thread II: I have a Horatius Bonar right now omg yes someone get a mod
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In unrelated news, Christianityball facebook page is utter poo poo
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