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paranoid randroid posted:[extremely quaaludes voice] Can we get a word filter on Ben Carson?
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Maarek posted:Obama was supported from day 1 by powerful party leaders to take on Clinton. His rhetoric may have been uplifting but (as his presidency proved) he was thoroughly an establishment Democrat in policy and ideology. Look at how he dealt with finance and healthcare at a time when the Democrats had a supermajority in congress. Obama's rhetoric was good, but his actual vision was nothing special. He was better than Clinton, but that's not an incredible accomplishment TBH. Yeah I remember the people saying that people who voted Obama based on "change" were foolishly taking his campaign out of context and that they shouldn't have expected anything. That's pretty much how you lose future elections so this shouldn't be so surprising.
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Nov 15, 2016 17:42
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I hope someone saves this to wave around during the next Republican primary when Friend Ben runs again.
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SavageBastard posted:So we're just going full Tea Party liberal, eh? Sounds good to me. The problem with the Tea Party isn't their tactics to get elected, its that they're literal idiots that think simply slashing budgets and cutting taxes will do anything beyond put the government in a financial crisis.
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Grouchio posted:What would Tom Bolton be like? Crazy
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Mahoning posted:Sounds good to me. The problem with the Tea Party isn't their tactics to get elected, its that they're literal idiots that think simply slashing budgets and cutting taxes will do anything beyond put the government in a financial crisis. Yeah why wouldn't we want to use the pressure tactics and threatening to primary incumbents strategy. They were extraordinary successful in getting really conservative candidates in. Why shouldn't liberals and progressives due the same to democrats?
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Business Gorillas posted:*begins to incorrectly recite the MLK quote on white moderates but falls out of chair, spilling Doritos all over the place* h*ck off don't steal my gimmick
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the problem wasn't lack of radicalism so much as elite white liberals retreating into a hugbox echo chamber full of Hamilton and Westworld references and refusing to do actual politics because it's impure and they shouldn't have to
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Business Gorillas posted:*begins to incorrectly recite the MLK quote on white moderates but falls out of chair, spilling Doritos all over the place* Ugh some goons immediately started earnestly posting MLK quotes once they realized that the Democrats got swirlied in every branch of government
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Monaghan posted:Yeah why wouldn't we want to use the pressure tactics and threatening to primary incumbents strategy. They were extraordinary successful in getting really conservative candidates in. Why shouldn't liberals and progressives due the same to democrats? This. Why can't we use their tactics? It actually got them results. I'd rather try something new than try pragmatic triangulation
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Nov 15, 2016 17:48
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Stick to malcom x quotes. Also, give to the nation of Islam. I'm serious though.
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Radish posted:Yeah I remember the people saying that people who voted Obama based on "change" were foolishly taking his campaign out of context and that they shouldn't have expected anything. That's pretty much how you lose future elections so this shouldn't be so surprising. Even the finance lackeys he appointed to run the Fed and Treasury knew that their handling of the bailouts were going to infuriate the public. IIRC one of them said "we saved the economy but lost the people". Pile that on to healthcare reform that didn't really reform the private health insurance industry and Obama's legacy should be someone who passed up an incredible opportunity to fundamentally change things in America. During the primary even the mildest criticism of Obama was absolutely verboten and Sanders took a massive amount of flak for talking about his policies. It's been a long running joke in D&D how the GOP primaries elevate people beloved by their party's partisans but are unelectable but it's clear the DNC had a serious problem this year and I'm hoping it's not a systemic one. icantfindaname posted:the problem wasn't lack of radicalism so much as elite white liberals retreating into a hugbox echo chamber full of Hamilton and Westworld references and refusing to do actual politics because it's impure and they shouldn't have to This. She spent more on correct the record trolls than latino outreach, spent more money in Nebraska than Michigan, never visited Wisconsin, etc.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Ugh some goons immediately started earnestly posting MLK quotes once they realized that the Democrats got swirlied in every branch of government It was silly. It wasn't the white moderates who hosed minorities, it was the white leftists.
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Radish posted:What?? https://twitter.com/virgiltexas/status/797221054372528128
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Grouchio posted:What would Tom Bolton be like? Iraq War 3
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Tim Ryan eyeing run against Nancy Pelosi for House leadership Well, it MAY help with optics to have the leader of the House Democrats be from the heart of the Rust Belt rather than the Left Coast. All though I'm rather disheartened by his canned response to my email earlier this week. Tim Ryan posted:Thank you for contacting me with your thoughts on the 2016 presidential election. I value your input on this issue, and I am deeply honored that my constituents have given me the opportunity to continue representing Ohio's 13th Congressional District. I'm going to request a meeting with him and see if he'll even see me.
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Tim Ryan appears to be not particularly good e. "Rated 25% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-Family-Value voting record. (Dec 2003)" n/m as a single issue "gently caress families" voter, he has my support
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Nevvy Z posted:It was silly. It wasn't the white moderates who hosed minorities, it was the white leftists. This "it wasnt x who hosed human rights, it was y" is getting old. Let me make you a list, in descending order, of responsibility: 1) Whoever the gently caress ends up going 5-4 on pulling Roe / Obergfell or fails to declare a legislative ban on these human rights unconstitutional. 2) Whoever appointed those judges 3) The party affiliated with the appointer 4) Those who voted that party on those years resulting in those judicial appointments And finally 5) Those who failed to keep that party at bay I hope stating what should be immensely loving clear helps the discussion move forward from binary assignment of blame, especially attempts to shoulder blame for coming human rights violations in majority on anyone other than the Republicans.
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Mahoning posted:Tim Ryan eyeing run against Nancy Pelosi for House leadership House dems might do well to have a new face of leadership but it's not Tim Ryan.
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Potato Salad posted:Stick to malcom x quotes. The Nation of Islam is a brazenly misogynistic and anti Semitic organization.
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HorseRenoir posted:Iraq War 3 WW3
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greatn posted:The Nation of Islam is a brazenly misogynistic and anti Semitic organization. Yeah gently caress the NOI, there's better groups out there to support.
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Mahoning posted:Tim Ryan eyeing run against Nancy Pelosi for House leadership Idgi, why would he want to meet with you?
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spotlessd posted:No I mean literal fascists have actually just been well represented within the ranks of police and military for much longer than either of us have been alive. There's been a minor scandal almost every single year since forever where a pig or a Troop is caught with a bunch of Nazi paraphernalia. The KKK have been informally running a not insignificant number of county level law-enforcement agencies for decades and to this day largely recruit through channels and contacts within the US Military. Bona fide purestrain Nazis who still have their uniforms and membership cards were recruited en masse into a variety of U.S. institutions post-WW2 including defense, intelligence, academia, and media. This isn't any worse now than it was before Trump was elected and none of these alarmist prophecies about the Next Hitler have any basis in anything other than the fact that the Democrats gambled on identitarian rhetoric and lost. So, over/under of how soon we'll see that billboard of Hitler saying, "Miss me yet?"
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Nah the job of the minority leader is to keep your caucus firmly in lockstep, to extract every drop of power you can out of your inherently powerless position, and Pelosi's done a bang-up job of that. I don't know that anyone cares enough about the job of house minority leader to make a big show of shitcanning her either.
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My Linux Rig posted:Idgi, why would he want to meet with you? Because constituents can request meetings with their Congressmen and women?
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mcmagic posted:House dems might do well to have a new face of leadership but it's not Tim Ryan. i mean, hes not awful on a lot of things, but idk if i want a guy who is flakey on abortion heading the congressional dems going into an administration where abortion rights are going to get gutted even more so than they are right now
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mcmagic posted:House dems might do well to have a new face of leadership but it's not Tim Ryan. Who would be a better choice?
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SavageBastard posted:So we're just going full Tea Party liberal, eh? Yes, except we don't believe Obama is responsible for the Katrina response so that's a nice distinguishing feature.
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paranoid randroid posted:i mean, hes not awful on a lot of things, but idk if i want a guy who is flakey on abortion heading the congressional dems going into an administration where abortion rights are going to get gutted even more so than they are right now Ehh I mean he's flaky on abortion in the same way that Obama is flaky on gay marriage. Meaning: he was against it, now he's for it.
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Mahoning posted:Ehh I mean he's flaky on abortion in the same way that Obama is flaky on gay marriage. Meaning: he was against it, now he's for it. yeah im just basing my opinion on the guy off his OnTheIssues profile, which rolls the past 16 years of legislative history into one list, so it kind of skews the perception a bit speaking as a biased left coaster id much rather have someone live Xavier Beccera as minority leader
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Potato Salad posted:Stick to malcom x quotes. why would you give to the organization that murdered malcom x 
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comingafteryouall posted:The placement of the presidents behind Obama is too much. I love how the guy obviously hates Kennedy, but realizes people love him as a martyr so we get a Kennedy that is kind of mad at Obama but not really. i've always loved this painting for the feeling that a lot of the forgotten third string presidents just showed up to this event for a networking opportunity, fifty bucks, and to score some craft services zachary taylor and franklin pierce are trying and failing to get eisenhower's attention, harding is just stuffing his pockets with club sandwiches
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Donald Trump can teach all the centrist Democrats a lesson beyond handing their rear end to them. You don't get social and economic justice by capitulating from the beginning, setting small goals and slowly working towards them. You get social and economic justice by dreaming big, setting yuuuuuuge goals and demanding others give you concessions. If they try and smear you, deny deny deny and keep working towards your big goals. Don't try and say "well actually I'm not a socialist I'm a democrat blah blah blah nuanced argument that nobody gives a poo poo about" Say "yeah, your bosses would say that poo poo because they want to keep loving you in the rear end. You own that poo poo like the deplorables and tea partiers did and don't give up an inch until you're in full control.
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prom candy posted:Are there any ongoing discussions anywhere about how to curb the recruitment effort of white supremacists on social media? I'm on reddit a lot (I know I know) and have been for a long time and it's pretty scary how right wing and racist it's becoming. I think a lot of young millennial men and boys who are looking at their futures and not seeing great prospects are getting romanced by this "anti-PC" "race realist" worldview. It seems like a lot of them have drawn a straight line from "it's about ethics in games journalism" to "nobody cares about white men" to "Trump 2016" and that's terrifying. It was fun when we could just call them deplorables but it would be better if they never got radicalized in the first place. The problem is that these sites don't want to moderate their content, so they knowingly let gathering places for white supremacists fester without any sort of attempt to stomp them out. For example, Reddit isn't becoming right-wing and racist. It was always right-wing and racist, because subreddits like r/CoonTown and r/rapingwomen were open for years before Reddit finally closed them down last year after they and several other particularly notorious right-wing subreddits got a lot of press, and naturally none of the users from those subs were banned so they just spread out to other boards. Racists gather on Reddit because Reddit lets them gather there, intervening only when they attract enough bad press to make Reddit look bad. Other social media sites, like Twitter, have a similar problem. Twitter is a shithole of rampant abuse and harassment because they largely refuse to directly do anything about the abuse and the harassment, except for occasionally applying light punishments to particularly loud people if a celebrity or media figure complains too much. In most cases, these sites never invested in resources or procedures for stopping abuse and offensiveness. They figured everyone would just silo themselves off into friend-groups where they'd only see things they approved of, and use the user-available tools like blocking or downvoting to get rid of isolated bad actors who try to invade those silos, and if anyone asked "hey, why are you allowing open racists on your site" they'd just justify it with some bullshit about free speech. Fixing the discourse on social media can't be a bottom-up thing, it has to come from the top. If the company itself is willing to let identified white supremacists roam all over their site harassing and abusing people, there's hardly anything the users can do about that besides self-segregating themselves away from it all. Al-Saqr posted:I am extremely glad at how pro-active the progressives of the DNC are being, Bernie Sanders is now storming around the media spitting real talk, striking the right balance of outright defiance towards the administration while making people aware of the realistic dangers they're now facing. Didn't Bernie promise to work with and cooperate with Trump? None of this "outright defiance" has shown up in my Twitter feeds. Though I guess a question like this is pointless since we live in post-truth politics where the omly thing that matters is what you want to think. HorseRenoir posted:I think it just depends on how well an Ellison-led DNC does within the next 2-4 years. I think Clinton's loss really shook up or permanently disgraced a lot of establishment people and they're desperate for any strategy that works. If Ellison can make gains and build a strong roster of progressive candidates, that window might stay open indefinitely. This is really optimistic. The establishment is shook, yeah, but the fact that they're all-in on Ellison within a week of the election suggests they're not thinking about real strategy changes, they're just looking for a quick-fix to placate the progressives for fear that they might bail on the Dems entirely otherwise. And apparently progressives are just as dumb as they thought, since it seems to be working. I guess that's the nice thing about catering to the 18-25 demographic - by the time they realize they got swindled, they've aged out of the demographic and been replaced by a new generation that doesn't remember it. Radish posted:No kidding. This has been coming for a while and Trump (and Clinton's unpopularity) just accelerated it. The people crowing that the Dems were never going to lose a presidency again were a combination of naive and arrogant since their plan pretty much rested on the idea that we have a precarious position where if ANY Democrat lost the white House we'd be in pretty much the same position as we are now give or take the normalization of racism. We have been doing badly in elections outside of 2008 for almost 20 years but they've pushed more or less the same policy that no one wants. "Doing badly in elections"? Bill Clinton was the first Democratic president to win re-election since LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act, and the first Democratic president to serve two full terms since Roosevelt.
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mcmagic posted:It's really sad when a lunatic like Token #3 is more self aware than the president of the US. Why didn't he think of this when supporting Donnie? Why the gently caress did he(Token) then run in the first place? And don't say book sells. e: posting before I read the the last two pages.
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Mahoning posted:Because constituents can request meetings with their Congressmen and women? I get that but what do you plan to talk to him about?
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