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Zoran posted:Why do so many people want the Democrats to lose even harder A martha/snoop ticket would get 600 electoral votes
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Caithness posted:Since holding prior office is apparently no longer a requirement, does anyone think Oprah or Martha Stewart could be convinced to run? lmao if u think oprah wouldnt run the table
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No on Martha, and a solid "maybe" on Oprah Like, after the Trump thing worked out the way it did I can't really argue convincingly against Oprah, so gently caress it, yeah, go for it The only thing I can think of is that I don't wanna be the kind of country that elects multiple no-experience TV people in a row but I also didn't want to be the kind of country that did that even once and the boat's kinda sailed on that one so
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devtesla posted:His apology was incredibly stupid too These are the same thing though? Obama won all those rustbelt states. Just Jill Stein's votes alone were enough to spoil all of them except Ohio. Field a candidate that doesn't lose so many votes to 3rd parties, and even if the people that voted for Trump stick with him in four years, you'll still win all those states back, at the very least. Field a candidate that motivates better youth turnout and once again states like NC and AZ are on the map.
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Mental-Rectangle posted:These are the same thing though? Obama won all those rustbelt states. Just Jill Stein's votes alone were enough to spoil all of them except Ohio. Field a candidate that doesn't lose so many votes to 3rd parties, and even if the people that voted for Trump stick with him in four years, you'll still win all those states back, at the very least. Field a candidate that motivates better youth turnout and once again states like NC and AZ are on the map. Field a candidate that motivates ANY demographic and the Dems are back in 2020.
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Have Beyonce be the spokesperson for a New New Deal. Enjoy your House majority.
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Fiction posted:Have Beyonce be the spokesperson for a New New Deal. Enjoy your House majority. This will only work if Taylor Swift is also on board.
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In real talk, as much as I may like the idea of certain people named in this thread, I think it's a bad idea to put all your eggs into one basket 8 years in advance. Don't know what would give me that idea.
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Andorra posted:In real talk, as much as I may like the idea of certain people named in this thread, I think it's a bad idea to put all your eggs into one basket 8 years in advance. Don't know what would give me that idea. Well, if we play this right, we'll be putting all our eggs into one basket four years in advance  I mean I still take your point. This has mostly been an exercise intended to keep us from losing our minds with despair in the wake of the election.
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Gabby  would be ideal but I'm sure she'll be swiftboated into oblivion over the Hindu thing and the DNC will nominate another shitlord like MOM.
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Space Pussy posted:Gabby With Keith as chair this might actually be possible.
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Vox Nihili posted:With Keith as chair this might actually be possible. Because he's Muslim?
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loquacius posted:e: Michelle Obama is a very popular figure but has never held elected office. Based on a sample size of one (1) general election, she'd win in a landslide. But _vegetables_ and _water_
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Andorra posted:In real talk, as much as I may like the idea of certain people named in this thread, I think it's a bad idea to put all your eggs into one basket 8 years in advance. Don't know what would give me that idea. I think it's less about the eggs and more about what the basket is made of.
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Ace of Baes posted:I think it's less about the eggs and more about what the basket is made of. the only baskets i know of are made of deplorables
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Mental-Rectangle posted:These are the same thing though? Obama won all those rustbelt states. Just Jill Stein's votes alone were enough to spoil all of them except Ohio. Field a candidate that doesn't lose so many votes to 3rd parties, and even if the people that voted for Trump stick with him in four years, you'll still win all those states back, at the very least. Field a candidate that motivates better youth turnout and once again states like NC and AZ are on the map. The gap between Trump and Clinton could only be covered by Stein voters in Michigan, and even if that wasn't true only 25% of Stein's voters said they would vote for Clinton if they had no other choices. Democrats have being trying to shame left voters into being obedient serfs for decades now and it doesn't seem to be working. There are no spoilers, there are only candidates. If you want those votes you have to earn them. edit: You could also try electoral reform, like score voting. But Clinton probably would have lost that too.
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Fulchrum posted:Because he's Muslim? I mean the candidacy, not the attacks.
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Mental-Rectangle posted:These are the same thing though? Obama won all those rustbelt states. Just Jill Stein's votes alone were enough to spoil all of them except Ohio. Field a candidate that doesn't lose so many votes to 3rd parties, and even if the people that voted for Trump stick with him in four years, you'll still win all those states back, at the very least. Field a candidate that motivates better youth turnout and once again states like NC and AZ are on the map. These are the same goddamn thing exactly! DC is full of morons. Get back to 65 million votes and Democrats are always going to threaten.
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Freemason Rush Week posted:If you want votes you have to earn them. 9 simple words for winning elections.
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Gringostar posted:9 simple words for winning elections. Abuela Sister Hillary doesn't work huh? Dang
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menino posted:Abuela Sister Hillary doesn't work huh? Dang Look man, it's either 9 words or 14 words you need to win elections.
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Gringostar posted:Look man, it's either 9 words or 14 words you need to win elections. Actually it's 4 words. Make America Great Again
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Space Pussy posted:Gabby She's been pretty pro-defense in the House. I don't think she's the progressive firebrand a lot of people wish her to be. https://ballotpedia.org/Tulsi_Gabbard tadashi has issued a correction as of 13:45 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/649615636088365058 https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/649458891168714752 https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/773357876735717376 Is this who you're all talking about?
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Whoever gets the nomination in 2020 is going to lose, so any of the truly promising candidates should wait until 2024. Mental-Rectangle posted:These are the same thing though? Obama won all those rustbelt states. Just Jill Stein's votes alone were enough to spoil all of them except Ohio. Field a candidate that doesn't lose so many votes to 3rd parties, and even if the people that voted for Trump stick with him in four years, you'll still win all those states back, at the very least. Field a candidate that motivates better youth turnout and once again states like NC and AZ are on the map. Obviously a party would love to field a candidate that motivates youth turnout, and wins over those who went 3rd party - but it's not an easy task to find such a person. Remember, you still need a candidate who puts your older voters at ease, and who can raise money - something Democrats are at a major disadvantage in. Becoming a party nominee, and succeeding in the general election is going to need a candidate to lay some groundwork ahead of time, and no Democrats have really done that. Without the 2004 DNC speech, there would be no Obama. Trump spent years playing to the Fox News crowd and flirting with a run.
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tadashi posted:She's been pretty pro-defense in the House. I don't think she's the progressive firebrand a lot of people wish her to be. Considering the damage Trump is going to do to foreign relations she can just easily pivot to 'fixing donalds mess' and maybe run on a platform of 'make america respected again'.
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Lawman 0 posted:Considering the damage Trump is going to do to foreign relations she can just easily pivot to 'fixing donalds mess' and maybe run on a platform of 'make america respected again'. Trump's mess is not going to undeniably clear to enough people until midway through a second term. You are not going to be able to run on fixing Donald's mess until 2024.
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Senor Dog posted:https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/649615636088365058 She supports cutting the military and pulling out of Afghanistan, was one of a couple dozen to sign Barbara Lee's letter warning against unwise war in Syria, opposes the surveillance state, rails against regime change wars, and favors cutting the defense budget, but she is in favor of bombing ISIS and al-Qaeda. I disagree with her on this last point because I feel that bombing campaigns are fundamentally incompatible with the goal of stopping terrorism: you're inevitably going to kill a lot of civilians and destroy many people's homes and livelihoods, and that just breeds more resentment. Zoran has issued a correction as of 15:38 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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I actually am not that worried about Cory Booker. He's like Chris Christie; he represents a philosophy and an ideology that is probably going to be old news by the time he runs in 2020. At least I hope we don't run a too-polished technocrat.
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A decent question to ask might be: who are we going to be running against in 2020? There's a lot of reasons Trump might not be in the Oval Office by 2020, most of which are more likely for him than for most candidates in recent memory. They're obviously not all as likely as him sticking around and running in 2020, but they are possible: (In order of possibility) He could not run in 2020. He's a political rookie that is probably not going to enjoy the responsibilities and is definitely unprepared, so he might get burned out. We've seen younger, smarter, healthier, and more prepared presidents get worn down by the job, so I can only imagine the hell it's going to put that dumbass through. He could resign. There's already reports that he's said he never expected to be in the race after 2015, so maybe, just maybe, he'll get bored and/or overwhelmed and simply quit, even before 2020. He could die in office. Dude's 70, and in bad shape (despite his "doctor's" assurances). He could be impeached. Extremely unlikely, given how stupid congress is ("He may be putting political enemies and reporters in prison with no trials, but damnit he's our guy!") but you never know. I wouldn't count on this in any real sense, but it's technically a possibility. In any of these cases, you'd most likely have Mike Pence to run against. I think that changes the equation quite a bit, so it's a matter of figuring out how likely or realistic it is to count on Trump as a one-term president.
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Railing Kill posted:A decent question to ask might be: who are we going to be running against in 2020? There's a lot of reasons Trump might not be in the Oval Office by 2020, most of which are more likely for him than for most candidates in recent memory. They're obviously not all as likely as him sticking around and running in 2020, but they are possible: If Trump is out by 2020, what's the possibility Pence faces a primary challenge? What's the likelihood he wins? NumberLast has issued a correction as of 18:29 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Democrazy posted:I actually am not that worried about Cory Booker. He's like Chris Christie; he represents a philosophy and an ideology that is probably going to be old news by the time he runs in 2020. I am curious to see if he shifts after this year. After John Kerry lost in 2004, it seemed like he came roaring back as a much more liberal version of the guy we saw in the campaign, possibly the guy he was all along (as Republicans put it, the most liberal politician in the Senate). Cory didn't lose anything but the establishment he was pretty cozy with certainly did.
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NumberLast posted:If Trump is our by 2020, what's the possibility Pence faces a primary challenge? What's the likelihood he wins? That really depends on why he was out. If he quits, then pence is prob the assumed frontrunner. If he is out because large parts of his coalition turn on him(say, for not building the wall or when his tax cuts don't improve the economy immediately), then it could be another clusterfuck of a primary and who knows at this point how that would turn out.
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NumberLast posted:If Trump is our by 2020, what's the possibility Pence faces a primary challenge? What's the likelihood he wins? Pence is liked in conservative circles and can actually do the job. Normally I'd say he wouldn't face much challenge in the primary, but we live in a reality where Ted Cruz still stalks the Earth.
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Railing Kill posted:A decent question to ask might be: who are we going to be running against in 2020? There's a lot of reasons Trump might not be in the Oval Office by 2020, most of which are more likely for him than for most candidates in recent memory. They're obviously not all as likely as him sticking around and running in 2020, but they are possible: Other than the state taking a nose dive while he was in office, isn't this kind of why Ventura didn't run for re-election?
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Ace of Baes posted:I think if Tulsi runs (assuming that means Bernie doesn't) shell end up becoming the first woman president. She already has the Bernie base behind her and being a vet will def help defer some of the misogyny a typical female candidate might face, same with Tammy Duckworth. tulsi is a cultist weirdo who hates islam
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Concerned Citizen posted:tulsi is a cultist weirdo who hates islam Lol
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Concerned Citizen posted:tulsi is a cultist weirdo who hates islam Tell me more about Hinduism CC just let it out hang out bro.
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Bernie old Tulsi kinda crazy Cory trying too hard to be obama So what you're trying to say is... go Duckworth??
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