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V for Vegas posted:
98 operational losses plus 85 air to air. Not a good day to be a US Navy pilot.
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George HW Pixelman Bush has got to be bobbing in his life raft somewhere down there.
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Nov 15, 2016 07:44
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I hope there is a thousand points of light for the floating pixel airman
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Nov 15, 2016 07:49
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Drone posted:Though the first Essex-class CV's should already be slipping out of dry dock soon, right? USS Essex was launched several months ago, she'll get her commission on the last day of the year.
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Nov 15, 2016 08:20
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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McGavin posted:Where's the 14th?
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Nov 15, 2016 09:00
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Was that the whole Kido Butai (+ Kiddo Butai)? I didn't see Kaga, Soryu or Hiryu on any of the reports But nice work Grey!
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Nov 15, 2016 09:10
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^^^^^ They are two separate task forces, and the AI only attacked one, so the missing ships are in the other task force, but still put planes into the air. Jobbo_Fett posted:14th? Sorry, screwed up again - I'm sick, the wifes sick, the kid is getting over being sick and wants constant attention.... It's a fun fun time.
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Nov 15, 2016 09:12
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Grey Hunter posted:^^^^^ Eh, its not like its a big deal. I just need it for the spreadsheet! 
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Nov 15, 2016 09:14
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Also whoo, carrier battle! Good luck if you can get in some strikes tomorrow! is it worth it to detatch the damaged ships for now to send back to port or wait for the battle to be over?
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Nov 15, 2016 09:15
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How the hell did two huge carrier battle-groups get in SIGHT range of each other? Also, isn't this the time to let loose the IJN's fast attack and heavy units to go into to main gun battery range? Like, this is what the entire strategy was built for!
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Nov 15, 2016 10:07
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Saw a bunch of activity going on in here. I knew what it meant and was not disappointed by what I found.
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Where is my lucky ship, CV Kaga? In the yard for upgrades?
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Nov 15, 2016 13:26
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Good god drat, that was something to see alright. First blood ... in all directions and speeds. One thing that comes to mind though; is Munda airfield big enough where it can supply / maintain all these ex-CAG airplanes? I seem to recall there's a mechanic with small airbases having too many air squadrons put into them damaging their efficiency. And hell, a little bit of help from land-based airpower on Day 2 would be nice.
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Nov 15, 2016 13:30
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two_step posted:Where is my lucky ship, CV Kaga? In the yard for upgrades? In the other group - all our carriers are present, but only half got attacked due to the oddities of the combat system.
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Nov 15, 2016 13:37
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Grey Hunter posted:oddities of the combat system. Is that the reason allied strike didn't land a single torpedo hit on anything, or are their torpedoes that bad?
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Nov 15, 2016 13:54
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Gervasius posted:Is that the reason allied strike didn't land a single torpedo hit on anything, or are their torpedoes that bad? That was just luck on my part I think! All in all, I'm happy with the engagement, getting through a carrier fight like this with no losses is a big expectation - even at Midway the US lost ships - I've lost a CV and a CVL, but the Saratoga is all but dead, the Yorktown crippled and the Enterprise with a torpedo hit is 50/50 - it will depend on who we see in the next few days, I'm betting on the entire task force running for home, so we'll see who is up tomorrow. I could go 3/1 in the big ships in the next few days.
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Nov 15, 2016 13:58
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Gervasius posted:Is that the reason allied strike didn't land a single torpedo hit on anything, or are their torpedoes that bad? Only the Avengers could have carried torpedoes, so either those got intercepted before reaching target, or simply got unlucky.
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Nov 15, 2016 13:59
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There's about to be some serious loving honor out there, I tell you what. 
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What's this? 40 new posts since I checked last night? Edit: H... how did two massive carrier fleets get within basically visual range of each other without noticing? I can't wait to read this universe's version of Shattered Sword. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Nov 15, 2016 14:30
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Now that I notice, Akagi has barely any flotation damage. Will it still sink from the massive fire?
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Triggerhappypilot posted:Now that I notice, Akagi has barely any flotation damage. Will it still sink from the massive fire? Yeah, at 88% fire, she's gone - thats well beyond any real chance of damage control saving her - without that fire, she would have been okay, but the bombs must have hit the fuel/ammo stores. RIP.
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Nov 15, 2016 16:02
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Crazycryodude posted:What's this? 40 new posts since I checked last night? In game all movement (night and then day) happens before the air phases happen. A fleet can "react" closer to another fleet after this by moving one hex or sometimes two, but in one day two converging fleets can go from 16 hexes apart to 0-2 real easily. For most CV's your scouting range is at best 7 or 8 hexes so it's easy to trip over the enemy in open waters. It's also really easy to move past each other and end up out of attack range the next day. Grey Hunter posted:Yeah, at 88% fire, she's gone - thats well beyond any real chance of damage control saving her - without that fire, she would have been okay, but the bombs must have hit the fuel/ammo stores. Yup. My poor ship. Did anyone claim the Taiho? Is there a list of free CV's or CA's?
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Nov 15, 2016 17:44
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Pervis posted:Yup. My poor ship. Did anyone claim the Taiho? Is there a list of free CV's or CA's? You can easily view the Lucky Ships list on my spreadsheet. And yes, the Taiho has been claimed.
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   We see the flak continuing to cause damage here.  I can't wait for the flak to arrive here.   As it has been asked about, here is a day in the bombardment at Hankow.   We're still hunting for that enemy carrier.
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Grey Hunter posted:We're still hunting for that enemy carrier. I guess you found it. 
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Nov 15, 2016 20:11
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Well, I guess we know what the undamaged carriers and smaller ships are doing tomorrow  And holy hell are those some operational losses for the Americans. Munda is the island right next to Guadalcanal, right? If so, then drat, every single loss to an American heavy bomber was worth it. Can carriers that damaged even launch planes? Because if they can't then that and the high operational losses make them prime targets for a second day battle.
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Nov 15, 2016 20:25
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55 posts! Grey either sunk the big E or Tokyo bay fortress.  fake edit: HOLY poo poo! 
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Grey seemed to communicate it'd be a longer exciting period than two days though. If they did get away it's a major allied victory, even if its 1 crappy CV and 1 CVL for the Saratoga. I don't see the Yorktown going down from heavy fires alone or the Enterprise going down despite the torpedo hit without any damage or fires report. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Nov 15, 2016 20:34
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BurningStone posted:But swapping a lot of carrier losses is to the Allies' advantage, right?  yesGervasius posted:Is that the reason allied strike didn't land a single torpedo hit on anything, or are their torpedoes that bad? It's hard for them to get through. Also allied aerial torpedoes currently suck just as much as the sub-launched ones.
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Don't each of the Yorktown-class carriers have 90 aircraft? If they started with 360, 28 onscreen losses and 98 operational losses yesterday, I'd think they still have like 200 left? People seem to think only one deck is operational, whereas the 98 operational losses suggest to me combat attrition + one deck lost. Why's everyone so sure that the Enterprise and Yorktown are out of action? I could see the Yorktown unable to do combat operations with its fires, but the Enterprise despite taking both a bomb and a torpedo was not listed as having significant damage or fires. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Nov 15, 2016 20:39
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RA Rx posted:Grey seemed to communicate it'd be a longer exciting period than two days though. It's not over yet, the last update was the day before the carrier battle.
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RA Rx posted:Don't each of the Yorktown-class carriers have 90 aircraft? Everyone wasn't sure Yorktown or especially Enterprise were necessarily out of action yet, they were saying that assuming a second day of battles they're screwed. Both side have at least one fleet carrier deck out of action, but the US both had fewer to begin with and took heavier operational losses, meaning their efficiency for a second day dropped far more. That's not even counting that Grey has multiple surface fleets in the area too that may be able to catch them, given they ran into each other at spitting distance.
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It would be especially bad for the Americans if those oilers were full of oil and the capital ships were near empty. It's actually possible the entire fleet could be stranded. GH doesn't get that level of lucky, though.
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Leperflesh posted:It would be especially bad for the Americans if those oilers were full of oil and the capital ships were near empty. It's actually possible the entire fleet could be stranded. This actually happened, though not to carriers and due to storm and not enemy action. Close enough. TF 38 was low on fuel after performing actions in support of the Philippines. They got hit by a typhoon and were unable to replenish underway. The little guys were riding so high due to low stores and fuel that three destroyers capsized and sunk. Other ships pumped seawater into their tanks for ballast and managed to ride the storm Proust Malone fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Back in OTL: 14 November 1942 Japanese cruiser Kinugasa, sunk by air attack near the Solomons. Also damaged but surviving were Chokai, Maya, and Isuzu. Japanese destroyer Ayanami, sunk by 16" gunfire of US battleship Washington and 5" gunfire of American destroyers off Savo Island. US destroyers Benham, Preston, and Walke, hit by Japanese gunfire and torpedoes near Savo Island. 15 November 1942 Japanese battleship Kirishima, badly damaged by 16" gunfire of US battleship Washington and scuttled. Most of the above losses were in the last major night action (14th/15th) of the Guadalcanal campaign, which also saw heavy damage to US battleship South Dakota. RN minesweeper Algerine, torpedoed off Algeria by Italian submarine Ascianghi. RN escort carrier Avenger, torpedoed west of Gibraltar by U-155. The torpedo struck the bomb magazine and the ship exploded leaving only 12 survivors. RCN escort destroyer Saguenay, totaled in collision with SS Azara. Stern destroyed by accidental detonation of depth charges.
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Nov 15, 2016 22:53
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I think evidence suggests to Kirishima sinking on her own rather than being scuttled.
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My lucky ship, the USS North Carolina, took a bomb hit. She should be fine.
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Triggerhappypilot posted:Now that I notice, Akagi has barely any flotation damage. Will it still sink from the massive fire? This is the wrong naval wargaming LP thread, pal. Your is over here.
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