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Disproportionate Orphan: Apr 17, 2009

I'm not sure where to post this, but I need some help for something that is a bit beyond my capabilities.

A friend of mine is obsessed with r/pizzagate. She's normally pretty rational, but conspiracy theories like this can latch onto nearly anyone. She's a mom, so I'd understand why she'd be upset about an alleged pedophilia ring in American politics.

I'm wondering if there are any good ways to debunk conspiracy theories like this, or if I should just let her think what she wants to think. Every time I Google something about pizzagate, even looking to debunk it, I only get sources that are from people who wholeheartedly believe in it. The big problem I have about this is that I could take literally take someone's office emails and get "sinister" readings from it by just saying that something like "pizza" means child prostitutes (like this alleges).

Basically, I'm just looking for help getting a friend to not believe crazy poo poo.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 23:11

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 00:53

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

kustomkarkommando posted:

Last weekend, Krystal Lake, a 22 year-old young African American woman working at a Staten Island Home Depot store, was photographed wearing a custom-made hat that read �America Was Never Great.� The picture was posted online without Lake�s permission, and it and Lake received the expected (but still deeply troubling) quantity of hateful, racist, and ugly responses�including death threats�from Donald Trump supporters and other internet trolls.

I applaud Lake�s creativity and passion, and have nothing but contempt for all those who responded to her in such hateful and horrific ways. They exemplify the ugly underbelly of American society that Trump�s candidacy has so consistently and thoroughly drawn into the open of our conversations. Yet at the same time, I won�t be joining the substantial number of fellow progressives and public American Studies scholars who have committed to buying the hat or otherwise supporting and spreading its message.

For one thing, I don�t think that message makes sense on a political and pragmatic level. Embracing this perspective means overtly ceding to Trump supporters not only his specific �Make America Great Again� slogan, but broader narratives that seek to celebrate American greatness in any way. I believe there are far more Americans who find greatness in our nation than there are current Trump supporters, and differentiating such Americans�those political moderates, for example, who still have a sense of pride in key elements of their American identities and communities�from the opposition to Trump can only risk leading them to feel more closely tied to his perspective and ideas. That�s no way to win an election.

how could they lose

# ? Nov 15, 2016 23:16

Rhesus Pieces: Jun 27, 2005

Disproportionate Orphan posted:

I'm not sure where to post this, but I need some help for something that is a bit beyond my capabilities.

A friend of mine is obsessed with r/pizzagate. She's normally pretty rational, but conspiracy theories like this can latch onto nearly anyone. She's a mom, so I'd understand why she'd be upset about an alleged pedophilia ring in American politics.

I'm wondering if there are any good ways to debunk conspiracy theories like this, or if I should just let her think what she wants to think. Every time I Google something about pizzagate, even looking to debunk it, I only get sources that are from people who wholeheartedly believe in it. The big problem I have about this is that I could take literally take someone's office emails and get "sinister" readings from it by just saying that something like "pizza" means child prostitutes (like this alleges).

Basically, I'm just looking for help getting a friend to not believe crazy poo poo.

the more you argue with her about this the more she'll believe it

# ? Nov 15, 2016 23:17

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Disproportionate Orphan posted:

I'm not sure where to post this, but I need some help for something that is a bit beyond my capabilities.

A friend of mine is obsessed with r/pizzagate. She's normally pretty rational, but conspiracy theories like this can latch onto nearly anyone. She's a mom, so I'd understand why she'd be upset about an alleged pedophilia ring in American politics.

I'm wondering if there are any good ways to debunk conspiracy theories like this, or if I should just let her think what she wants to think. Every time I Google something about pizzagate, even looking to debunk it, I only get sources that are from people who wholeheartedly believe in it. The big problem I have about this is that I could take literally take someone's office emails and get "sinister" readings from it by just saying that something like "pizza" means child prostitutes (like this alleges).

Basically, I'm just looking for help getting a friend to not believe crazy poo poo.

there's no way they'd be smart enough to code their pedophilia

# ? Nov 15, 2016 23:18

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

what in the goddamn gently caress is pizzagate do i want to know if not don't tell me

# ? Nov 15, 2016 23:19

boner confessor: Apr 25, 2013; by R. Guyovich

Disproportionate Orphan posted:

I'm not sure where to post this, but I need some help for something that is a bit beyond my capabilities.

A friend of mine is obsessed with r/pizzagate. She's normally pretty rational, but conspiracy theories like this can latch onto nearly anyone. She's a mom, so I'd understand why she'd be upset about an alleged pedophilia ring in American politics.

I'm wondering if there are any good ways to debunk conspiracy theories like this, or if I should just let her think what she wants to think. Every time I Google something about pizzagate, even looking to debunk it, I only get sources that are from people who wholeheartedly believe in it. The big problem I have about this is that I could take literally take someone's office emails and get "sinister" readings from it by just saying that something like "pizza" means child prostitutes (like this alleges).

Basically, I'm just looking for help getting a friend to not believe crazy poo poo.

if you really care, learn as much as you can about pizzagate, common arguments, and how to debunk them, such that every time your friend brings it up you can casually dismiss them with factual arguments. don't actually try to argue them out of it, just aim for getting them to shut up. they'll either stop talking to you (bad) or learn to stop talking about it (good) at which point they may even start to doubt it

you can't argue anyone out of a believing in a conspiracy theory. all you can do is steadily shame them over a long period of time until they either snap or give up

# ? Nov 15, 2016 23:19

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

plus there definitely is a dc pedo ring

# ? Nov 15, 2016 23:19

Disproportionate Orphan: Apr 17, 2009

Dreylad posted:

what in the goddamn gently caress is pizzagate do i want to know if not don't tell me

Here you go. It's hard for me to describe, but basically they're saying that the DNC coded emails involving pedophilia. This involves way too many people for it to make sense.

# ? Nov 15, 2016 23:25

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

https://twitter.com/radionz/status/798644063108898817

owned

# ? Nov 15, 2016 23:30

Avshalom: Feb 14, 2012; by Lowtax

i love digging too but because i'm a hardworking millennial not a lazy bludger octogenarian i dig my graves with a shovel

# ? Nov 16, 2016 00:05

kustomkarkommando: Oct 22, 2012

personally i prefer clawing the dirt from the ground with my barehands

# ? Nov 16, 2016 00:17

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

i plan on telekineticly vibrating my atoms until i turn to dust, allowing the westerly winds to blow my remains into my family's farm fields

# ? Nov 16, 2016 00:20

kustomkarkommando: Oct 22, 2012

Dreylad posted:

i plan on telekineticly vibrating my atoms until i turn to dust, allowing the westerly winds to blow my remains into my family's farm fields

ah, the traditional death stage of the average canadian male

# ? Nov 16, 2016 00:21

Avshalom: Feb 14, 2012; by Lowtax

kustomkarkommando posted:

ah, the traditional death stage of the average canadian male

rest in peace mr cohen

# ? Nov 16, 2016 00:23

kustomkarkommando: Oct 22, 2012

Personally I plan to go out like my ancestors, waking up one morning with a distant glassy look in my eyes and then wordlessly walking into the bog until I am fully submerged

# ? Nov 16, 2016 00:26

Avshalom: Feb 14, 2012; by Lowtax

kustomkarkommando posted:

Personally I plan to go out like my ancestors, waking up one morning with a distant glassy look in my eyes and then wordlessly walking into the bog until I am fully submerged

same, but in my country "bog" is slang for a toilet

# ? Nov 16, 2016 00:30

atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

Avshalom posted:

same, but in my country "bog" is slang for a toilet

are you very small or is it a very large toilet

# ? Nov 16, 2016 00:33

kustomkarkommando: Oct 22, 2012

the world is toilet friend

# ? Nov 16, 2016 00:34

Avshalom: Feb 14, 2012; by Lowtax

kustomkarkommando posted:

the world is toilet friend

# ? Nov 16, 2016 00:38

Volkerball: Oct 15, 2009; by FactsAreUseless

kustomkarkommando posted:

Personally I plan to go out like my ancestors, waking up one morning with a distant glassy look in my eyes and then wordlessly walking into the bog until I am fully submerged

are you descended from cats

# ? Nov 16, 2016 00:41

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

gently caress my laptop's screen just came loose

# ? Nov 16, 2016 00:47

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

i really cannot afford to replace this computer

# ? Nov 16, 2016 00:47

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

lovely cheap-rear end plastic this loving nerd-computer has bah

# ? Nov 16, 2016 00:49

atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

kustomkarkommando posted:

the world is toilet friend

ah, true

# ? Nov 16, 2016 00:55

Avshalom: Feb 14, 2012; by Lowtax

V. Illych L. posted:

lovely cheap-rear end plastic this loving nerd-computer has bah

build yourself a new one out of illegally obtained timber

# ? Nov 16, 2016 00:56

Swan Oat: Oct 9, 2012; I was selected for my skill.

gently caress burial just let my cats eat me, so I can serve them in death as I did in life

# ? Nov 16, 2016 01:08

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

Avshalom posted:

build yourself a new one out of illegally obtained timber

this might legit not be a terrible idea, if i can get someone to make the boards just right

# ? Nov 16, 2016 01:22

Ghost of Reagan Past: Oct 7, 2003; rock and roll fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8j3C3VsEzE

# ? Nov 16, 2016 01:31

Chelb: Oct 24, 2010; I'm gonna show SA-kun my shitposting!

pictured: vil's future laptop

# ? Nov 16, 2016 01:45

Disinterested: Jun 29, 2011; You look like you're still raking it in. Still killing 'em?

pictured: randler's laptop

# ? Nov 16, 2016 01:52

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

all the electronics are good, it's just the plastic that's cracked and utter shite

someone who knew what they were doing could probably make a perfectly servicable replacement out of wood

# ? Nov 16, 2016 02:00