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gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!

Orange Red Bull posted:

why does reddit think this severely limited f2p is gonna usher in a golden age of eve and a flurry of activity?

because they also caught the boston bomber and hillary clinton won the general election

that is to say they have no idea

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Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

Huge_Midget posted:

The new skill queue manager is the biggest dumpster fire of UI design I've ever had the displeasure of inflicting upon my eyes. Holy tapdancing Christ is it loving awful. Why are :ccp: so loving poo poo at everything UI related? Does living in Iceland make your optic nerves stupid? gently caress me.

It's atrocious by default. There are a couple nice features included in the update. Check the Pilot License tab. It actually shows subscription status now.

Make sure to minimize that stupid character portrait at the top of the character sheet. Instead of using the portrait that everyone had to make using their space Barbie, it is rendering in real time.

Hollow Talk
Feb 2, 2014

Huge_Midget posted:

The new skill queue manager is the biggest dumpster fire of UI design I've ever had the displeasure of inflicting upon my eyes. Holy tapdancing Christ is it loving awful. Why are :ccp: so loving poo poo at everything UI related? Does living in Iceland make your optic nerves stupid? gently caress me.

If it makes you feel any better, they are no better when it comes to designing anything else.

Eltoasto
Aug 26, 2002

We come spinning out of nothingness, scattering stars like dust.



Orange Red Bull posted:

why does reddit think this severely limited f2p is gonna usher in a golden age of eve and a flurry of activity?

I dunno, it got me to log in my accounts after 3-4 years away.

How are goons doing these days? I thought they were going to evict us from 0.0 but it looks like we still own Delve?

Xolve
Oct 12, 2012

Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?

Eltoasto posted:

How are goons doing these days? I thought they were going to evict us from 0.0 but it looks like we still own Delve?

GoonSwarm Federation was the largest lowsec alliance for a few months earlier this year.

Delve is a relocation after holding Deklein for the longest peroid of sov ownership the game has ever known.

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!

Eltoasto posted:

I dunno, it got me to log in my accounts after 3-4 years away.

How are goons doing these days? I thought they were going to evict us from 0.0 but it looks like we still own Delve?

"still." We gave up delve something like 2 years ago, so it's more like we moved there and retook it

ullerrm
Dec 31, 2012

Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

Eltoasto posted:

I dunno, it got me to log in my accounts after 3-4 years away.

How are goons doing these days? I thought they were going to evict us from 0.0 but it looks like we still own Delve?

Our enemies couldn't be arsed to chase us to Delve, and decided to stay up North and settle it instead. We evicted everyone from Delve/Querious and moved in there (including dropping Keepstars); today, we still live there, somewhat comfortably.

IWI and the other casino sites were busted for RMT, and CCP decided to ban all third-party gambling entirely. Today, without that guaranteed income stream, the old anti-Goons forces have started valuing ratting/mining space again, and are fighting amongst themselves. In particular, PL and pets have spent the last three months fighting CO2 and TEST over Tribute.

e: Oh, and GenEve turned MOA into NC pets. MASSADEATH ragequit, took all their PvPers, and went over to MC. :)

ullerrm fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Nov 15, 2016

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

Eltoasto posted:

I dunno, it got me to log in my accounts after 3-4 years away.

How are goons doing these days? I thought they were going to evict us from 0.0 but it looks like we still own Delve?

Goonwaffe is surprisingly doing quite well.

We were evicted from Deklein by forces powered by outside-the-game gambling sites (I Want Isk aka IWI). One of our allies alleged that IWI was doing RMT (i.e. selling space gold for real money). Rather than dealing with the RMT, CCP pushed IWI war narrative hard.

The war was a complete dud for CCP. GSF leadership decided we had lost before any substantial battles took place, and gave up sov more or less uncontested. There were no battles of note to develop news coverage as CCP had hoped would happen. After a brief stop over in low sec, GSF relocated to Delve which is working out quite well.

Also, last month (long after the war ended) CCP was forced into banning all outside-the-game gambling sites on a go forward basis. And on top of that, IWI's directors were permabanned and had all their assets seized by CCP because they were in fact doing RMT. And also, CCP's security department knew of the RMT long ago and attempted to issue bans, and the devs had long ago decided that gambling was terrible for the health of EVE as a game - but the bans were overwritten by other departments (CCP Finance). Then CCP did a 180 when Valve got into legal trouble for outside-the-game gambling.

Unfortunately, other EVE goons are not doing so well. Groon is basically (entirely?) inactive. A new goon space guild called Ten Dollar Bond was started up by ex-Goonwaffe CEO, ex-CCP employee Darius Johnson. It... ended poorly. And if you read this thread, you'll learn about lots of goons who are no longer welcome in Goonwaffe for various reasons, and there is much bellyaching about that.

ullerrm
Dec 31, 2012

Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

Maneck posted:

A new goon space guild called Ten Dollar Bond was started up by ex-Goonwaffe CEO, ex-CCP employee Darius Johnson. It... ended poorly.

I don't know, I'd say it went spectacularly. They had fantastic ratting space, and for a while, they had more sov space than the GSF Goons did.

Admittedly, they got that ratting space by becoming Pandemic Horde pets and crashing on the couch in Fade. Sure, it resembles a casting couch, and there's rumors about DJ and Gobbins and cannoli. But hey, space is space, right?

dialhforhero
Apr 3, 2008
Am I 🧑‍🏫 out of touch🤔? No🧐, it's the children👶 who are wrong🤷🏼‍♂️

ullerrm posted:

But hey, space is space, right?

Actually no. Living in lowsec or NPC null is easily better than living in some poo poo region like I don't know Oasa or Paragon Soul.

Baculus
Oct 25, 2007

I DID A BIG CACA IN MY DRUG STORE DIAPER

Maneck posted:

And if you read this thread, you'll learn about lots of goons who are no longer welcome in Goonwaffe for various reasons, and there is much bellyaching about that.

We just got over this please don't bring it up anymore TIA.


ullerrm posted:

I don't know, I'd say it went spectacularly. They had fantastic ratting space, and for a while, they had more sov space than the GSF Goons did.

Admittedly, they got that ratting space by becoming Pandemic Horde pets and crashing on the couch in Fade. Sure, it resembles a casting couch, and there's rumors about DJ and Gobbins and cannoli. But hey, space is space, right?

The Ten Dollar Bond affair was surprisingly like a group colonoscopy - we all gained profound insight into the health of a giant rear end in a top hat.

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE

Maneck posted:

Goonwaffe is surprisingly doing quite well.

We were evicted from Deklein

stopped reading there

ullerrm
Dec 31, 2012

Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

tickets to the gunt show posted:

The Ten Dollar Bond affair was surprisingly like a group colonoscopy - we all gained profound insight into the health of a giant rear end in a top hat.

:perfect:

Pryce
May 21, 2011

Maneck posted:

Goonwaffe is surprisingly doing quite well.

We were evicted from Deklein by forces powered by outside-the-game gambling sites (I Want Isk aka IWI). One of our allies alleged that IWI was doing RMT (i.e. selling space gold for real money). Rather than dealing with the RMT, CCP pushed IWI war narrative hard.

The war was a complete dud for CCP. GSF leadership decided we had lost before any substantial battles took place, and gave up sov more or less uncontested. There were no battles of note to develop news coverage as CCP had hoped would happen. After a brief stop over in low sec, GSF relocated to Delve which is working out quite well.

Also, last month (long after the war ended) CCP was forced into banning all outside-the-game gambling sites on a go forward basis. And on top of that, IWI's directors were permabanned and had all their assets seized by CCP because they were in fact doing RMT. And also, CCP's security department knew of the RMT long ago and attempted to issue bans, and the devs had long ago decided that gambling was terrible for the health of EVE as a game - but the bans were overwritten by other departments (CCP Finance). Then CCP did a 180 when Valve got into legal trouble for outside-the-game gambling.

Unfortunately, other EVE goons are not doing so well. Groon is basically (entirely?) inactive. A new goon space guild called Ten Dollar Bond was started up by ex-Goonwaffe CEO, ex-CCP employee Darius Johnson. It... ended poorly. And if you read this thread, you'll learn about lots of goons who are no longer welcome in Goonwaffe for various reasons, and there is much bellyaching about that.

This caught me up on everything I missed in the last year and now I'm ready for F2P. Thanks!

MacPac
Jun 2, 2006

Grimey Drawer
https://zkillboard.com/kill/57169951/
alpha skills, alpha kills, now thats alpha as gently caress.

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter

tickets to the gunt show posted:

The Ten Dollar Bond affair was surprisingly like a group colonoscopy - we all gained profound insight into the health of a giant rear end in a top hat.

well god drat baculus you poo poo you managed to make a post

somnolence
Sep 29, 2011

tickets to the gunt show posted:

The Ten Dollar Bond affair was surprisingly like a group colonoscopy - we all gained profound insight into the health of a giant rear end in a top hat.

Do I have to read back to know what happened to them? Can I get the short version?

:effort:

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

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somnolence posted:

Do I have to read back to know what happened to them? Can I get the short version?

:effort:

biased version:

dj came back to goonswarm expecting a boosh into the directorate, did not receive one, then goatse'd goonfleet dot com after xenuria was elected to the csm with our assistance

while the casino wars were going on he made Ten Dollar Bond in a bad attempt to schism goonswarm federation, and managed to convince whoever owned the old Goonswarm alliance name to give it to him

the alliance proceeded to grab rear end around delve and querious before getting evicted, then they were gifted space by some ex-BoB corps in fade

the alliance peaked at about 200 dudes or so after extensive public recruitment attempts, then dj decided "gently caress this" and just killed his own alliance because i guess it was too much work or something

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

ullerrm posted:

I don't know, I'd say it went spectacularly.

Assuming a spectacle must by definition go spectacularly, agreed.


1001 Arabian dicks posted:

stopped reading there

No, you’re wrong. You’re wrong

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

djs trugoons were actually the second goonswarm splinter to become pets of the lowest tier members of the mbc

here be dragons is one of their renter alliances, sort dragons iirc

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

while the casino wars were going on...

The ball got dropped in naming the Gamblor War.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KqANzZ_YVk

Hexel
Nov 18, 2011




no you see, its called world war bee

because bees lol

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Orange Red Bull posted:

why does reddit think this severely limited f2p is gonna usher in a golden age of eve and a flurry of activity?

I don't know about a new golden age, but it's probably the most mainstream attention eve has gotten since BR5. Which was what, almost 3 years ago now?

I think the very limited F2P is mostly good for getting people to give it more of a shot than they did on the trial. The 2-3 week trial was just too short to really get your teeth into the game. It's the people who quit during the trail period because they still didn't know if they wanted to sub or not who might be new revenue for CCP. Otherwise it'll at least be a bump in active players.


MacPac posted:

https://zkillboard.com/kill/57169951/
alpha skills, alpha kills, now thats alpha as gently caress.

flying a garmur the day that OGB finally dies, also a bold choice

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

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https://zkillboard.com/kill/57177832/

:yaycloud:

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

ullerrm posted:

IWI and one other casino site were busted for RMT, and CCP decided to ban all third-party gambling entirely.

FTFY

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

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:mensch:

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


Which was the other one?

nex
Jul 23, 2001

øæå¨æøåø
Grimey Drawer
the one that 1ronbank or whatever was starting got everyone involved banned before even opening, lmao

iirc it has only been IWI and people connected to it that has been publicly called out by CCP for RMT, but its ok because lenny says no PERSON was banned for rmt and hes only suspended pending investigation. also grath from PL got really mad on reddit because lenny had some kind of job(?) making it impossible for him to be a scumbag. idk, its a huge mess.

nex fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Nov 16, 2016

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE
i'm just glad i scammed lenny kravitz not once, but twice, and then he PAID ME for services that I provided during world war: bee

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
IWI and EVE Casino were the only two sites named for doing RMT by CCP.

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

i'm just glad i scammed lenny kravitz not once, but twice, and then he PAID ME for services that I provided during world war: bee

Was it enough to pay for a new cell phone?

Four Score
Feb 27, 2014

by zen death robot
Lipstick Apathy
EVE Online: Now 100% Monocle-Funded er Free

burgergod
Dec 17, 2013
now spaceships are free i'll give it a shot, are alpha accounts/players useful for goons?

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

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burgergod posted:

now spaceships are free i'll give it a shot, are alpha accounts/players useful for goons?

Always.

burgergod
Dec 17, 2013

Is there a best choice race? I am not fully aware of the limitations yet. If I end up enjoying this it will be for player interaction (shooting or otherwise) and not shooting npcs.

meatmccartney
Aug 4, 2016

burgergod posted:

Is there a best choice race? I am not fully aware of the limitations yet. If I end up enjoying this it will be for player interaction (shooting or otherwise) and not shooting npcs.

Gallente trains into the Vexor, which is good for shooting mans. Is that the standard answer?

working mom
Jul 8, 2015

burgergod posted:

Is there a best choice race? I am not fully aware of the limitations yet. If I end up enjoying this it will be for player interaction (shooting or otherwise) and not shooting npcs.

Gallente is what I'd recommend because you get the best t1 ewar (celestis and maulus) which are always good for having a lot of impact for low sp investment, plus drones and blasters are great, and it also gives you options for making money in null sort of. Otherwise I'd say caldari because rapid lights are broken as gently caress and griffin ewar is just funny to piss people off with.

Magic Rabbit Hat
Nov 4, 2006

Just follow along if you don't wanna get neutered.
They're all pretty decent. Minmatar ships are pretty good now with small artillery, but I like Caldari for their weapon variety. I would avoid Amarr. Barring a few stand-outs, their ships are one-dimensional and boring. If I had to choose it would either be Gallente or Minmatar; both races have solid ships at all Alpha classes, have useful fleet EWAR, and their T1 and faction frigates are pretty viable for solo roams.

Plus, Thrashers and Catalysts are useful gank boats.

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

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burgergod posted:

Is there a best choice race? I am not fully aware of the limitations yet. If I end up enjoying this it will be for player interaction (shooting or otherwise) and not shooting npcs.

Minmatar or Gallente. However, you get three character slots per account, so you could, conceivably, do both. (You can only train one at a time, though.)

burgergod
Dec 17, 2013
Alright, in short; Stay away from Amarr and give the other 3 a chance. Thanks! I'll start with Minmatar.

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Baculus
Oct 25, 2007

I DID A BIG CACA IN MY DRUG STORE DIAPER
Most Minmatar alpha ships are pound for pound worse than their non-Minmatar equivalent at PVP right now, so you know. A notable exception might be the Firetail.

Just go get a Kestrel/Caracal and "giv missel" (can we bring back VCBees now?)

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