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Hashtag Banterzone posted:It's also a great way to stealth tank. #1 is give a huge contract to a washed up star and fan favorite, then there is no money to bring in FA vets. Lakers dominated the stealth tanking thing.
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So how long does Phil keep his job for? His bad moves far outweigh his good moves at this point.
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Nov 16, 2016 17:59
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Libertine posted:Are HS Grads eligible for the D-League? I thought it was under the same restrictions as the NBA in terms of draft/playing eligibility. HS'ers can go straight to the D-League. They then become draftable after the first year IIRC. Fake edit: Yep quote:There are eight different paths a player can take to the NBA D-League: Niwrad posted:So how long does Phil keep his job for? His bad moves far outweigh his good moves at this point. How long does Dolan usually take before fixing and removing his failed and bad decisions?
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Nov 16, 2016 17:59
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The Suns might be...good at player relations now? https://twitter.com/azcsports/status/798692155464224768 I'm not totally sold on coach Earl Watson but stuff like this really helps.
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Nov 16, 2016 18:00
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Niwrad posted:So how long does Phil keep his job for? His bad moves far outweigh his good moves at this point. His contract ends soon anyways, and outside of drafting Porzingis his moves have been terrible across the board. So at least 15 more years.
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Nov 16, 2016 18:01
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Niwrad posted:So how long does Phil keep his job for? His bad moves far outweigh his good moves at this point. I mean, it honestly depends what the expectations were when he signed on. If the expectation was to put butts into seats and ride out Melo's contract, then start actually possibly competing, then he is right on track. If the expectation was to build a winning team now, then he has done terribly, but I'm not sure it was ever possible to do well so RIP.
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Nov 16, 2016 18:02
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His other good move was the Robin Lopez contract but then he traded it for Derrick Rose. And Jerian Grant actually looked really good last night. He was bad in preseason and Summer League but he does have some NBA skills.
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Nov 16, 2016 18:03
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Dexo posted:How long does Dolan usually take before fixing and removing his failed and bad decisions? Didn't he only fire Isaiah because of a sexual harassment lawsuit?
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Nov 16, 2016 18:03
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Phil Jackson gave a 30 year old center that had major injury history and literally coming off a season ending injury 4 years/72 million dollars FULLY GUARANTEED. You can't even cut him early to save money.
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Nov 16, 2016 18:08
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I'm still kinda torn. Signing Noah makes sense on multiple levels. Noah is quite literally the perfect Center for the Triangle. It's a pity he has no legs left. Noah his work ethic and how he has improved his vision and passing over the years would be pretty useful for someone like KP to be around. Probably shouldn't have paid him so much goddamn money or so many years tho. Especially since now it seems like there won't be an amnesty clause in the new CBA.
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Nov 16, 2016 18:08
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I'm not sure if you could fire Jackson on the basis of his moves, because literally every person on the planet who watches basketball knew what the Knicks were doing was insanely stupid, and the Knicks did it anyways. The whole management chain green lit that poo poo. So really if anyone should be fired it should be their entire decision-making structure up to and including ownership. The guy who scouted Zingis can stay, that's about it.
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Nov 16, 2016 18:12
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Zingis was also pretty widely considered a top-5 picks and the Knicks got him at 4, so it wasn't a Kawahii-level move or anything. I do give Knicks credit getting him early burn and letting a raw guy like that to prove himself.
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Nov 16, 2016 18:18
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Lockback posted:Zingis was also pretty widely considered a top-5 picks and the Knicks got him at 4, so it wasn't a Kawahii-level move or anything. I do give Knicks credit getting him early burn and letting a raw guy like that to prove himself. It could have been worse
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Nov 16, 2016 18:40
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Dexo posted:I'm still kinda torn. They had a better version of Noah in Lopez. I think the move was dumb because their best lineup was going to be Porzingis at the 5 and Melo at the 4. They should not have traded for Rose. If they wanted a big name they should have given Wade the money he wanted from Miami. Filled the PG spot with someone like DJ Augustin. They'd actually have a decent team if they did that.
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Nov 16, 2016 18:42
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Another underrated bad move was dumping Shumpert and JR for a crappy 2nd round pick in 2019. They were two rotation guys on a championship team.
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Nov 16, 2016 18:45
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Niwrad posted:Another underrated bad move was dumping Shumpert and JR for a crappy 2nd round pick in 2019. They were two rotation guys on a championship team. Mozgov was completely out of the rotation last year, but your point still stands. Niwrad posted:They had a better version of Noah in Lopez. This really isn't true. I like Robin Lopez a lot but Noah has a completely different skillset than him and *was* a better defender.
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Nov 16, 2016 18:53
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^^ Healthy Noah is worth the money and an ideal triangle big, but they took the risk that Noah could get healthy. I understand why they did it, but it was still a bad move.Niwrad posted:Another underrated bad move was dumping Shumpert and JR for a crappy 2nd round pick in 2019. They were two rotation guys on a championship team. Shump's contract now looks bad (even though he started decent this year). If New York knew they didn't want to dedicate that much cap to him getting a 2nd rounder is fine. Sorta the same thing with JR, but he had another year so moving him was probably a bad idea. That move reeked of locker room/personal problems. Lockback fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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Nov 16, 2016 18:57
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Better D-League contracts are awesome as others have said. A drop in the bucket money-wise, and it will go a ways towards fixing the 2nd round and keeping American talent from fleeing to Europe.
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Nov 16, 2016 19:02
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Austin Rivers has quietly regressed from bad back to absolutely terrible through the first 11 games. Even at 2 million a year he's a waste of money.
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Nov 16, 2016 19:03
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My dream scenario: two years college ball required, college athletes paid, D-league salary 100k.
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Nov 16, 2016 19:06
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kiimo posted:My dream scenario: two years college ball required, college athletes paid, D-league salary 100k. My dream - college basketball cored out by d league. gently caress the NCAA
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Nov 16, 2016 19:08
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kiimo posted:My dream scenario: two years college ball required, gently caress this
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Nov 16, 2016 19:11
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my dream scenario: a big plate of Cuban food and some loud for tonight's NBA offerings on ESPN
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tarbrush posted:My dream - college basketball cored out by d league. gently caress the NCAA not an emptyquote
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I listened to a lakers cast and apparently Byron Scott is still salty about Deangelo Russel?
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IcePhoenix posted:This is legit incredible and a huge and awesome step. Yeah, that's a really cool and good thing to do. I can't wait for the think pieces arguing on the behalf of the NCAA how this will (somehow) ruin young men who would be better served to play basketball for free on a college campus. "Well, you see, maturity, spoiled youth, hip-hop..." *70 year old white dude farts into his khakis*" Jack's Flow fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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Nov 16, 2016 19:17
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The D-League changes, vet minimum rising, and rookie scales going up is why the NBAPA don't care if the money split is the same in the new CBA, because the non-super stars are getting the benefits and they're the majority.
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Nov 16, 2016 19:19
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D-League move owns Next step should be changing the name from loving "D-League" to something that people won't be ashamed to play in. Maybe haul the ABA name out of retirement.
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Nov 16, 2016 19:19
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Who was the last good US born player who skipped the college track? I'm legit happy they are giving d league players decent salaries, but I'm not sure if this affects the pro game much.
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Tae posted:The D-League changes, vet minimum rising, and rookie scales going up is why the NBAPA don't care if the money split is the same in the new CBA, because the non-super stars are getting the benefits and they're the majority. Yeah it's good leadership by Chris Paul
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Lockback posted:Who was the last good US born player who skipped the college track? I'm legit happy they are giving d league players decent salaries, but I'm not sure if this affects the pro game much. Brandon Jennings?
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Lockback posted:Who was the last good US born player who skipped the college track? I'm legit happy they are giving d league players decent salaries, but I'm not sure if this affects the pro game much. I'm not sure it's a good comparison because the options were to play for bad teams in Europe/China/Australia and they weren't really a good development environment. Also at least in college, even if you're not getting paid (lol), you've still got free housing and meals for the one year.
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Brandon Jennings? Mudiay
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He said "good"
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Paul Zuvella posted:This really isn't true. I like Robin Lopez a lot but Noah has a completely different skillset than him and *was* a better defender. Noah hasn't been good in 2 years. His knee is shot. I love the guy to death but I don't know how any GM could watch film of him the last couple seasons and think he would be a net positive. Lopez is a pretty decent big on a really good contract. I am glad Noah got paid because he was underpaid in Chicago and is a really good guy.
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Gobias Ind. posted:Mudiay I thought Mudiay immigrated from the Congo? edit: yeah came over in 2001 when he was 4-5 years old.
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That D-League thing is cool. Add their per diem and poo poo and they're actually at a livable wage. Now if they could just get some D-League teams that aren't in the rear end end of nowhere (Austin and Santa Cruz excluded).
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chunkles posted:That D-League thing is cool. Add their per diem and poo poo and they're actually at a livable wage. Now if they could just get some D-League teams that aren't in the rear end end of nowhere (Austin and Santa Cruz excluded). I don't think the per diem is what makes it a livable wage when they're making 50k.
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Lockback posted:Shump's contract now looks bad (even though he started decent this year). If New York knew they didn't want to dedicate that much cap to him getting a 2nd rounder is fine. Sorta the same thing with JR, but he had another year so moving him was probably a bad idea. That move reeked of locker room/personal problems. The move maybe makes sense if they were planning on rebuilding, but they then proceeded to go into "win now" mode. And they got essentially nothing in return. That 2nd round pick has restrictions on it that make it really lovely. I guess I just don't see the point in the deal. Especially when Shumpert was an RFA and there is always a chance you could get him for cheap.
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Redgrendel2001 posted:I thought Mudiay immigrated from the Congo? Eh, Mudiay would count because he grew up here but he is discounted for not being good. Redgrendel2001 posted:Brandon Jennings? He might be the best example, but that's a weak outlier. I dunno, I think its cool and all but I don't think it will help the talent pool tremendously. What it may do is help middling players have a place to recover from injury or something to make another run.
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