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Homework Explainer posted:this is only a commonly held opinion in the us and bits of western europe, just so you know. and it's getting less and less common here even, now that the cold warriors are dying off if the point is to tankey around like a cuck then sure call it whatever if the point is to market an idea then you choose the right presentation to have the most impact 
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if you cannot sell an american on the idea that sometimes revolution is just and necessary then idk what to tell you. "oh but the soviet union was bad and wrong" well okay maybe it had some minor flaws but consider this: we can do it better.
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Baloogan posted:if the point is to market an idea then you choose the right presentation to have the most impact An economy based on need, (healthcare, housing, ending poverty, ending hunger, no unemployment, economic justice, culture, a democracy that doesn't alienate more than 47% of people etc etc)
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Larry Parrish posted:As retarded as war tourism is, it's hard to hate someone who puts their money where their mouth is. Carommunism
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Nov 15, 2016 08:30
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Larry Parrish posted:As retarded as war tourism is, it's hard to hate someone who puts their money where their mouth is. yeah at least hes maybe killing people
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deadgoon posted:if you cannot sell an american on the idea that sometimes revolution is just and necessary then idk what to tell you. "oh but the soviet union was bad and wrong" well okay maybe it had some minor flaws but consider this: we can do it better. how about just "agreed, we should still be part of britain"
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mike12345 posted:can't tell if that guy is really fighting in Syria, or not He is. https://twitter.com/ckilpatrick/status/797129909911035904 https://twitter.com/DefenceUnits/status/796670099960791040
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lol he's definitely being used as a propaganda asset for the ypg which is the best any westerner who joins up can hope for
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The YPG has lowkey been dominating the propaganda game. They're basically selling calenders of YPJ girls at this point. If I was a gulf prince funding the FSA I'd be pissed about my guys having worse PR despite spending more.
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Doc Hawkins posted:how about just "agreed, we should still be part of britain" Also why Texas, Nevada, Utah, California, etc should all be a part of Mexico.
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imo the best thing to do right now is be ready for the next economic depression coming soon and learn to shoot guns and read some good books
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Nov 16, 2016 09:41
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also try to raise consciousness of how capitalism is failing but people think you're crazy if you criticise the US
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Nov 16, 2016 09:48
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And join an org, if one is in your area.
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I put in apps for a few about 2 weeks ago now and none have responded yet. They are either hugely swamped or have given up 
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Deimus posted:And join an org, if one is in your area. it can't be said enough. here's Kwame Ture (a.k.a. Stokely Carmichael) in a 1988 interview discussing it in the context of the 60's, though he might as well be talking about the lessons of Occupy in this very decade:
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Aeolius posted:it can't be said enough. here's Kwame Ture (a.k.a. Stokely Carmichael) in a 1988 interview discussing it in the context of the 60's, though he might as well be talking about the lessons of Occupy in this very decade: 
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:also try to raise consciousness of how capitalism is failing but people think you're crazy if you criticise the US During primary season I read a guy that said he liked Bernie but couldn't vote for him because Bernie had said the US isn't an intrinsically moral society.
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NumberLast posted:During primary season I read a guy that said he liked Bernie but couldn't vote for him because Bernie had said the US isn't an intrinsically moral society. CHrist, are other countries this loving stupid? How does anyone ever get anything done with their heads so firmly lodged up their own asses.
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if there is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism, how do you choose which necessities to buy? I can't, for example, barter or grow my own shampoo.
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It "owns" to see social democrats already lining up to become the left wing of fascism.ChickenOfTomorrow posted:if there is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism, how do you choose which necessities to buy? I can't, for example, barter or grow my own shampoo. if its a necessity what choice is there? you buy it.
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by 'which' I also include 'which brand or type,' eg organic versus cheapest versus greenwashed
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I know there are better things to think about but I need new socks so
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Just buy some loving socks
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:by 'which' I also include 'which brand or type,' eg organic versus cheapest versus greenwashed the point is not to worry about it. it's liberal thinking. pick the union-made earth-friendly one if you want, but don't fool yourself about it having some deep implication or whatever. pick the one you want. then get organized and mobilize.
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Yeah the point of that slogan is to focus less on consumer choices because it's all part of a system of exploitation. So buy what you need and don't freak out about it. Please don't become some sort of primitivist and flee into the wilderness.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:by 'which' I also include 'which brand or type,' eg organic versus cheapest versus greenwashed ethical consumerism is not possible under capitalism and merely exists as an advertising brand. everything you buy will be tainted, so it really isn't worth the time or effort to put in research for every single product to find out how and where it's made, but to put that effort in more productive ways. even if the company that sells the finished product itself somehow escapes being profit-driven and exploitative, the resources used to build the product will undoubtedly come from exploitative businesses. ethical consumerism exists more to assuage liberal's guilt than to actually affect change ie Bryter posted:Just buy some loving socks
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100 degrees Calcium posted:CHrist, are other countries this loving stupid? How does anyone ever get anything done with their heads so firmly lodged up their own asses. American Exceptionalism is a hell of a drug!
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I became a socialist the day I had this weird epiphany in a grocery store where I realized every item I could buy were the items I was allowed to buy.
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cool. thanks for being patient with me. i'm still unlearning.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:cool. thanks for being patient with me. i'm still unlearning. don't feel bad, people have these questions for a reason
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Minty posted:ethical consumerism exists more to assuage liberal's guilt than to actually affect change well said. the same goes for all the other avenues of "how can you be against capitalism if you [are saving for retirement, etc]." completely divesting oneself of the trappings of the world won't help to understand or change it. even Engels was a textile magnate; far from harming the cause, the knowledge he brought to the table on the structure and content of capitalist accounts wound up being critical to the development of Marx's economic writing. Aeolius fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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100 degrees Calcium posted:CHrist, are other countries this loving stupid? *looks at the New Democratic Party* yep
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NumberLast posted:I became a socialist the day I had this weird epiphany in a grocery store where I realized every item I could buy were the items I was allowed to buy. I became a socialist after watching There Will Be Blood, and realizing what an rear end in a top hat I was for denying the violence inherent in the process of capitalist development. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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When I was a teenager, I was a real fundie christian young republican type. I contemplated the plight of people in poverty and how they came to be in that situation and what a righteous government would do to correct that, and I realized that communism (at the time I had not heard of socialism ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ) was the way. Eventually I forsake Jesus but I kept the conviction that capitalism is loving bullshit.
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New to socialism & interested in learning more as well as maybe supporting local groups. I saw DSA mentioned in the thread & was wondering if that's where I should start looking.
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:apply for PSL and DSA, but they will take weeks to get to you. lots of people signing up Great news if true but how do you know that?
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Ice Cream Barbara posted:I'm not seeing much point in joining a group seeing as how there are no chapters in my state Pay dues.
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AHungryRobot posted:Great news if true but how do you know that? i suppose they could just be not responding when previously they responded fairly quickly or maybe it's because trump just got elected president so leftists are turning away from the Democratic party. you decide
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