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Tollymain posted:police in portland opened up on peaceful protestors tonight. i guess one night of common sense was enough for them Pretty sure they opened up on the folks who joined the protest and starting smashing windows and poo poo. The peaceful folks moved back to Pioneer Square and were left alone, as far as I'm aware.
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Schwack posted:Pretty sure they opened up on the folks who joined the protest and starting smashing windows and poo poo.
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Nov 11, 2016 16:25
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Not sure the point of the protests, its funny that the protests are being put on by an organization called MoveOn though, lol
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Nov 11, 2016 16:35
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no they also opened up on a peaceful protest at a corner of pioneer square, if i have my landmarks right i got grazed by a rubber bullet, near as i can tell
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Nov 11, 2016 19:16
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:Not sure the point of the protests lol I dunno I may have heard some vague rumor that a KKK-endorsed rapist got elected president and half the country is pissed off and scared, but why the gently caress would anyone protest something like that, it's probably just dumb millennials freaking out about the unavailability of gluten-free vodka
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Nov 11, 2016 20:53
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Rah! posted:lol
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Nov 11, 2016 21:04
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They are protesting voting, clinton lost fair and square, so they are just butthurt I guess
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Nov 11, 2016 21:08
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I was thinking the same way at first ("not my president is more an expression of denial than productive pressure, we can't stop him from becoming president, protest specific bad things once Trump takes office") but on further thought, I can appreciate a generalized statement of commitment against the values (theoretically) represented by this election, and meanwhile they're meeting people and making connections. People are surprised and upset, and stuff like this seems more productive than sitting around on the internet trying to figure out whether to blame third-party voters or mainstream democrats or rural poor voters. A friend of mine says he was in a rally in Philadelphia and a lot of people "had never been to a protest before and got to learn about the grassroots socialist groups operating in the city". Sounds good to me. Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Nov 11, 2016 21:36
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Ditocoaf posted:I was thinking the same way at first ("'not my president' is more an expression of denial than productive pressure, we can't stop him from becoming president, protest specific bad things once Trump takes office") but on further thought, I can appreciate a generalized statement of commitment against the values (theoretically) represented by this election, and meanwhile they're meeting people and making connections. People are surprised and upset, and stuff like this seems more productive than sitting around on the internet trying to figure out whether to blame third-party voters or mainstream democrats or rural poor voters. Yea that sounds good to me too, though I worry that the protests do more to get the anger out of people's system, rather than allowing the horror to metabolize into long term, meaningful repulsion to GOP/Trump policies.
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Nov 11, 2016 21:44
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http://www.wweek.com/news/2016/11/11/racist-anti-semitic-statements-rock-lake-oswego-high-school/
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Nov 11, 2016 22:35
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I heard an interview with one of the people at the protests that said something along the lines of "its not about Hillary, its a little bit about Trump. Its much, much more about the racism and actions Trump's rhetoric has already caused, and the marginalization of people by Trump's proposed policies." And honestly if you can't get behind that you're probably a trash person, and if you can't take people being honest and calling you a trash person then you shouldn't support a president that is 'honest' and 'speaks from the heart'. I'll be at a protest today to show these people that they aren't alone and there are people willing to put their bodies in harms way to show Trump's America that minority groups aren't going down without a fight.
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Nov 11, 2016 22:40
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Yeah it's not just about a team losing. It sucks that we won't see more progressive things pushed in the next few years. But the reaction is so much more visceral because the new President said he wants to: * Deport people * Get rid of people's health insurance (so literally in some cases a thing that is keeping them alive) Among many many other things. It's also given a bunch of people the feeling that being vile to people they don't like is perfectly acceptable. That attacking people like them is perfectly acceptable. So people are super pissed off because this election is already making them (and their friends) lives worse. If you can't understand why that would make people angry, or that they should just sit down and take it like a trooper, I don't know what to tell you.
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Nov 11, 2016 22:45
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I'm all for smashing the system, but deportations were already higher under obama than Bush, last I heard. Also LWB, your gimmick in tff is funny, but the one you do in the NW threads isnt. Sorry 
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as for why protests in general? protests build camaraderie much like, say, going through basic training, except the authority figures brutalizing you are openly your enemy instead of being a twisted facsimile of an abusive parent also the people who would visit violence on the vulnerable tend to give it another think when thousands of angry people are denouncing them. it's sort of a pass-agg show of force, in a much better sense than my poor choice of words is conveying. i need to sleep kinda bad Tollymain fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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Nov 11, 2016 22:54
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got any sevens posted:I'm all for smashing the system, but deportations were already higher under obama than Bush, last I heard. Yeah the MoveOn people(socialist alternative, 15now) also organized/helped organize protests at deportation and ICE centers in PNW so its not surprising that they might also be vehemently against Trump considering he wants to deport everyone but white people.
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Nov 11, 2016 22:58
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Doorknob Slobber posted:Yeah the MoveOn people(socialist alternative, 15now) also organized/helped organize protests at deportation and ICE centers in PNW so its not surprising that they might also be vehemently against Trump considering he wants to deport everyone but white people. Where are we going to deport native Americans? India?
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Nov 12, 2016 00:51
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Jack2142 posted:Where are we going to deport native Americans? India? Into Canada where they are totally welcome.
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turn it up TURN ME ON posted:
I can tell you this has made the ultra rich I am in contact with extremely bold last couple days. I know a bunch were quaking in their boots over the coming tax rate changes to their precious capital gains. Now it all just evaporated and they go back to making GBS threads on the lower classes. I'm saving up my protest energy for Inauguration day. I recommend anyone else active do the same, let the butt hurts work themselves out right now.
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Nov 12, 2016 18:06
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Jack2142 posted:Where are we going to deport native Americans? India? The same could be asked about all the US citizens that are black, hispanic, muslim. What country do you deport a US citizen to? BlueBlazer posted:I can tell you this has made the ultra rich I am in contact with extremely bold last couple days. I know a bunch were quaking in their boots over the coming tax rate changes to their precious capital gains. Now it all just evaporated and they go back to making GBS threads on the lower classes. If you do care about inauguration day protests and you aren't going to protests to connect with and build momentum into inauguration day then you're dumb. Movements aren't built by not getting involved, thats how they die.
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Nov 12, 2016 20:17
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Doorknob Slobber posted:
That's great and all, but I'd argue in pacing your involvement especially if you have things like commitments and other problems in your life to deal with. I'd go to all the protests if I was independently wealthy, but I'm not. I'm not going to get my voice lost in the grieving mob. Applying my involvement when it's most effective and planned seems like a good idea for me. I learned my lessons on Occupy. Maybe I hear a voice rise above it the next couple weeks. I don't think I'm alone in this view.
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Nov 12, 2016 21:48
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BlueBlazer posted:That's great and all, but I'd argue in pacing your involvement especially if you have things like commitments and other problems in your life to deal with. I'd go to all the protests if I was independently wealthy, but I'm not. Considering that no one is advocating becoming the multiman to be in every major city concurrently I think, yeah, you are alone in this. If your city has too many protests to be at weekly you have a point, and yet the only thing you've advocated for is the privilege of apathy. Be a part of the solution, couchpotato.
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Nov 12, 2016 23:57
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Gerund posted:Considering that no one is advocating becoming the multiman to be in every major city concurrently I think, yeah, you are alone in this. It's been less than a week since an orange fascist goblin became president elect. Excuse me, I'm still just holding my breath.
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Nov 13, 2016 04:37
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lol https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2016/11/15/24692494/kshama-sawant-and-the-socialist-alternative-should-not-lead-the-anti-trump-protests
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Nov 15, 2016 23:34
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Jesus, he loving quites Nietzsche.
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Nov 16, 2016 02:44
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Ah, the regularity of leftists turning in on each other. Like clockwork or an overcast sky in the PNW.
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Nov 16, 2016 02:57
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I see The Stranger is going to keep beating the drum of "it's all the left's fault" by agreeing with a Danny loving Westneat article of all things. Man, what happened to them.
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Nov 16, 2016 03:04
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How do you get so loving far off base? If anyone remembers or cares that socialists didn't like the centrist third way dem warhawk with ties to wall street, it'll be because they were loving right that we needed to go further left.
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GodFish posted:How do you get so loving far off base? If anyone remembers or cares that socialists didn't like the centrist third way dem warhawk with ties to wall street, it'll be because they were loving right that we needed to go further left.
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Nov 16, 2016 03:10
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Had a copy of this show up in my facebook feed today: Not sure how NV made it in there. Honestly I'm not sure if California could fit in either, blue voters or not.
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Nov 16, 2016 03:42
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Dems bitching about the left abandoning them just like every time they dont win an election, maybe they should go left
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Nov 16, 2016 03:42
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tgijsola posted:I see The Stranger is going to keep beating the drum of "it's all the left's fault" by agreeing with a Danny loving Westneat article of all things. Man, what happened to them. stranger sucked down the hillary kool-aid real real hard
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Nov 16, 2016 03:51
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got any sevens posted:Dems bitching about the left abandoning them just like every time they dont win an election, maybe they should go left
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Nov 16, 2016 03:54
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anthonypants posted:"For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin." whooooooooooooooops lol But to have actual content lol. YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY DUMBASS. It should be for every moderate independent/w.e we lose we should pick up two blue-collar workers. Thanks Chuck Schumer.
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Nov 16, 2016 04:07
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Sawant's dumb narrative of false equivalence was morally and intellectually bankrupt though. Not that she swayed the results of the election personally, or is even in the top 1000 of things that went wrong. False equivalence in general was everywhere though and definitely played into the apathy.
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Nov 16, 2016 22:52
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So who else is voting yes on your respective feel good secession referendum.
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Nov 16, 2016 22:53
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Fast Ferry Service passed for kitsap. This is my tiny silver lining. yay!
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A Bag of Milk posted:Sawant's dumb narrative of false equivalence was morally and intellectually bankrupt though. Not that she swayed the results of the election personally, or is even in the top 1000 of things that went wrong. False equivalence in general was everywhere though and definitely played into the apathy.
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Nov 16, 2016 22:58
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I do kinda agree with Eichenwald's article that if you didn't vote for Hillary for whatever reason then throwing a fit about Trump now is pretty dumb.
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FuzzySlippers posted:I do kinda agree with Eichenwald's article that if you didn't vote for Hillary for whatever reason then throwing a fit about Trump now is pretty dumb.
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edit: ehhh not gonna get into an internet argument today
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