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BarbarianElephant posted:That magazine is a nice read and although not a hard read, not stupid. It isn't a list of 14 cute cats. What media isn't lovely in your opinion? Hey there buddy. Did you know that the reason our democracy is so dysfunctional is because we made it too democratic? readingatwork fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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Nebalebadingdong posted:This is the opposite of what you just said, which was a response to someone explaining why some dems are saying "we will work with trump if it aligns with our goals". trump won't align with their goals, so there's no reason to entertain elaborate impossible hypotheticals where trump is a good guy. that's the sort of normalization that should be avoided. when trump isn't hateful, he's mind-bogglingly, earth-shatteringly corrupt. there is no reason to believe that he will pursue policy that lines any pockets but his own. his tax policy reflects that. his long career of stupid business deals reflects that. his campaign promises reflect that. the only reason he hasn't already made billions with the seed money he was given by his father is his massive incompetence, and it's not the job of democrats to prop up his useless and self-serving dealings.
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Trabisnikof posted:I'm not sure I would describe replacing some faction of political elites with another as "the establishment DNC burning to the ground." Schumer isn't going to burn things down, neither will Ellison. Why would they want to do that? I think you misunderstand me since the democrats have pretty much zero power now on the federal level. So you could argue they've already burnt. It's up to them whether or not they continue the mealymouth poo poo train to the center like they've been going for decades now as they rebuild. But you see, it's being 'pragmatic'....
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Venuz Patrol posted:trump won't align with their goals, so there's no reason to entertain elaborate impossible hypotheticals where trump is a good guy. that's the sort of normalization that should be avoided. Yeah, I understand now. I think I am still spinning a bit all this mess, and its obvious I need to read and study more before opening my mouth. Sorry to be an rear end 
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From several pages back:Spacebump posted:I love that Rick Perry was one of the first established politicians to be pro-Trump and Trump still won't give him anything. https://twitter.com/MichaelCBender/status/799055158260957184
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I'd like to believe that this country is way too polarized for something like the post-9/11 hysteria to happen again so soon after the GWB administration, but then again I also believe that a Trump administration would intentionally allow another 9/11 to happen to take advantage of the situation
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HorseRenoir posted:I'd like to believe that this country is way too polarized for something like the post-9/11 hysteria to happen again so soon after the GWB administration, but then again I also believe that a Trump administration would intentionally allow another 9/11 to happen to take advantage of the situation Bush also intentionally allowed it to happen
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Can someone tell me why a bunch of shitlords are posting in here as if it were March 2016?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Read this: Ok. I agree that Democrats should be cautious about the possibility that any Trump infrastructure bill might enrich Trump himself to a corrupt level, and I certainly hope that when the time comes to debate they demand an appropriate level of oversight. Though, I disagree with the author's advocacy of blanket obstruction as long as the only things at stake are "some highways". Infrastructure is important! And if Democrats block policy proposals that are a net positive for the nation, just because they came from a president that they want to discredit, they would just imitate the worst behavior of Republicans over the last few years. I really don't want Democrats to be Republicans that wear blue ties. I would prefer they fight Trump in where they disagree with him, aid him if he has policy areas they agree with, and campaign on how they could do better. Edit: in case I wasn't clear, the point at which I disagreed with the author was the final paragraph. William Bear fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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Boon posted:Can someone tell me why a bunch of shitlords are posting in here as if it were March 2016? Hillary lost
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readingatwork posted:Hey there buddy. Did you know that the reason our democracy is so dysfunctional is because we made it too democratic? Tell me what's good then. What magazines should I read?
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I don't always agree with the viewpoints expressed in it, but The Atlantic is a pretty good magazine. They do their research and tend to be well-cited. I don't usually find them arguing in bad faith. That doesn't stop them from writing the occasional clickbait article or being intentionally inflammatory at times, but I can forgive that. Even the New Yorker has the Borowitz Report. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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re: that GMA tweet https://twitter.com/blakehounshell/status/799077446914031619
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Buckwheat Sings posted:I think you misunderstand me since the democrats have pretty much zero power now on the federal level. So you could argue they've already burnt. It's up to them whether or not they continue the mealymouth poo poo train to the center like they've been going for decades now as they rebuild. On the one hand, I want to believe that appointing Bernie and Warren as directors of Outreach sends the message that they actually realize they screwed up and need to give the left a greater voice. On the other hand, after getting clowned on by Obama the Republican 'rebuilding' strategy was 'eh, just wait it out' and it apparently worked, so don't be surprised if the DNC doesn't do the same.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:re: that GMA tweet Any relation to John Miller
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BarbarianElephant posted:Tell me what's good then. What magazines should I read? Harpers is real good. Also that article is right
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This is a nice soothing balm and a reminder that people should donate to the ACLU
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Fojar38 posted:This is a nice soothing balm and a reminder that people should donate to the ACLU The ACLU said that they've received more support this week than in the past 100 years 
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BarbarianElephant posted:Tell me what's good then. What magazines should I read? If you can afford it, I unironically think you should subscribe to a magazine or newspaper whose viewpoint you disagree with. If nothing else, it helps you understand the other side's argument better so that you can better rebut them in real life. EDIT: Obvious caveat being that you should not support a newspaper or journal, like Brietbart, which is run by literal white supremacists. Shimrra Jamaane posted:What was in that deleted GMA tweet? A claim that Flynn had been appointed national security advisor. HorseRenoir posted:The ACLU said that they've received more support this week than in the past 100 years One good thing out of this election. Newspaper subscriptions are also up, which is heartening. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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e: nm, answered ^^^
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QuoProQuid posted:If you can afford it, I unironically think you should subscribe to a magazine or newspaper whose viewpoint you disagree with. If nothing else, it helps you understand the other side's argument better so that you can better rebut them in real life I read the Daily Mail religiously and it doesn't help.
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William Bear posted:Though, I disagree with the author's advocacy of blanket obstruction as long as the only things at stake are "some highways". Infrastructure is important! And if Democrats block policy proposals that are a net positive for the nation, just because they came from a president that they want to discredit, they would just imitate the worst behavior of Republicans over the last few years. While I understand where you're coming from here, let me play devil's advocate and point out that that worst behavior has carried them into near total control of all levels of government. If collaborating to get a few relatively* minor wins takes us from a 60% chance to win the white house in 2020 to a 40% chance, is that really worth it? *Highways and bridges are very important, but compared to something like breaking public sector unions or a Muslim registry, not so much.
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Agnosticnixie posted:Patriot had 1 Nay in the senate, 66 in the House. This is even more terrifying now. There was only one horse in the senate that time, not sure what you were expecting.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:re: that GMA tweet MILLERS! 
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z0glin Warchief posted:While I understand where you're coming from here, let me play devil's advocate and point out that that worst behavior has carried them into near total control of all levels of government. If collaborating to get a few relatively* minor wins takes us from a 60% chance to win the white house in 2020 to a 40% chance, is that really worth it? Yes, because Nate Silver has taught us that is the percentage you need to actually win
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HorseRenoir posted:The ACLU said that they've received more support this week than in the past 100 years I just removed some services from my cell phone plan that I wasn't really using so I could throw money at the ACLU on a monthly basis. I'll probably do the same with my cable/internet package later this month.
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pigz posted:There was only one horse in the senate that time, not sure what you were expecting. If Clinton had won we would have been assured of at least two more, plus a whip.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Who is Flynn?
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-registry-immigrants-policy-kris-bobach-reinstate-wall-a7420296.html Welp, I guess I'll see all you guys in the internment camps! 
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https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/799079032499343360quote:Trump surrogates are already citing Japanese internment camps from WW II as "precedent" for Muslim registry
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Man if I just replace muslim with the word jew....
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MSNBC reporting that Flynn will be national security advisor. Anon source though, so grain of salt.
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Winkie01 posted:Man if I just replace muslim with the word jew.... Winkie01 posted:Man if I just replace jew  getting rid of jews? mods???
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I know it's hardly original but this fucker hasn't even taken the oath yet and he's got people around him referencing the loving Japanese internment camps as precedent. A couple co-workers of mine are still adamant that he will surround himself with good people. 
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Winkie01 posted:Man if I just replace muslim with the word jew.... Replace it with 'gun-owner.'
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QuoProQuid posted:I don't always agree with the viewpoints expressed in it, but The Atlantic is a pretty good magazine. They do their research and tend to be well-cited. I don't usually find them arguing in bad faith. They employ David Frum Ta-Nehisi Coates is literally the only good thing about them and he's a doozy but even he barely writes anything for them anymore
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