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socialsecurity posted:ECHO CHAMBER almost always == "more then 1 person here disagrees with my essay of nonsense I made up and refuse to support with any sort of facts" No didn't you hear? Conservatives lost a bet they made and universally as a group are so petty and cheap that they refused to pay up and stormed off in a childish huff instead. I can even cite a self proclaimed conservative who posted just up the page as proof! We liberals are all thats left 
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Stereotype posted:No didn't you hear? Conservatives lost a bet they made and universally as a group are so petty and cheap that they refused to pay up and stormed off in a childish huff instead. I can even cite a self proclaimed conservative who posted just up the page as proof! We liberals are all thats left I mean the stupid part is that there's shitloads of asinine conservative and even outright alt-right posters, they just decide to hang out in GBS instead of coming here because they know they'll get shitcanned for their lovely racism here eventually. The last time I went to GBS there was some douchebag posting screeds about how the uncivilized Muslims were incompatible with democracy and their religion needs to be destroyed.
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean the stupid part is that there's shitloads of asinine conservative and even outright alt-right posters, they just decide to hang out in GBS instead of coming here because they know they'll get shitcanned for their lovely racism here eventually. The last time I went to GBS there was some douchebag posting screeds about how the uncivilized Muslims were incompatible with democracy and their religion needs to be destroyed. And that gbs poster was natsec advisor general flynn
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Nov 18, 2016 08:02
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No one should ever forget the irony that conservatives will probably never shut up about "safe spaces" and yet will constantly come in to bitch and moan about how they can't post here because we actually take them to task on their idiotic unsupported ideas.
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Nov 18, 2016 08:06
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Stereotype posted:No one should ever forget the irony that conservatives will probably never shut up about "safe spaces" and yet will constantly come in to bitch and moan about how they can't post here because we actually take them to task on their idiotic unsupported ideas. Yeah the party that bitches about political correctness is now out to persecute people from wrong political speech.
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Nov 18, 2016 08:08
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Why is the conservative prescription for globalization always reversing it? loving Mitch McConnell the day after the election said those coal jobs aren't coming back. Even if all those industrial manufacturing plants came back, they would all be super automated. On top of all that, how in the gently caress would you think that the Republican party would back such a plan? Did they become the party of working man all of the sudden? All your Trump vote is gonna get you is at best tax cuts and a total gutting of the social safety net. At worst, Trump pulls a Smoot–Hawley and hello great depression II.
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Nov 18, 2016 08:15
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Lightning Knight posted:I actually love the subtle partisan inferiority complex with "she was totally worse than Nixon guys, totally." Yeah the woman who at worst violated government IT protocol while carrying on the status quo of her Republican predecessor is worse than the guy who literally hired goons to break into his political opponents' homes and offices and steal their poo poo. Two words for ya: SPIRIT COOKING! Owned, libtard.
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Bueno Papi posted:Why is the conservative prescription for globalization always reversing it? loving Mitch McConnell the day after the election said those coal jobs aren't coming back. Even if all those industrial manufacturing plants came back, they would all be super automated. On top of all that, how in the gently caress would you think that the Republican party would back such a plan? Did they become the party of working man all of the sudden? All your Trump vote is gonna get you is at best tax cuts and a total gutting of the social safety net. At worst, Trump pulls a Smoot–Hawley and hello great depression II. Conservatives don't think about things at all. They know that cars are made in Mexican factories and Chinese companies make things too, so therefore we can just do all that here instead and bam tons of jobs with zero size effects on America.
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Nov 18, 2016 08:20
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Stereotype posted:Conservatives don't think about things at all. They know that cars are made in Mexican factories and Chinese companies make things too, so therefore we can just do all that here instead and bam tons of jobs with zero size effects on America. Now that's just not true. Conservatives think about things. They just don't think about them critically.
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Bueno Papi posted:Why is the conservative prescription for globalization always reversing it? loving Mitch McConnell the day after the election said those coal jobs aren't coming back. Even if all those industrial manufacturing plants came back, they would all be super automated. On top of all that, how in the gently caress would you think that the Republican party would back such a plan? Did they become the party of working man all of the sudden? All your Trump vote is gonna get you is at best tax cuts and a total gutting of the social safety net. At worst, Trump pulls a Smoot–Hawley and hello great depression II. People think that the answer is to go back to the past because they idealize the past. The notion of a better future is impossible if you're terrified of change and the notion of progress. Likewise the notion that manual labor could be obsolete scares people who were brainwashed to believe that their personal worth is tied to their work and not their inherent humanity. The idea of just not having to work is spooky.
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Stereotype posted:Conservatives don't think about things at all. They know that cars are made in Mexican factories and Chinese companies make things too, so therefore we can just do all that here instead and bam tons of jobs with zero size effects on America. I work in a city of 100k of which a quarter are in poverty. So, when someone says Clinton is just another Nixon and Trump may or may not work out we'll have to see, I lose my poo poo. If half of what the Republicans want to get done happens, I will literally have patients die for no other reason than a white dude isn't happy about being called a racist and bring back the jobs.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Now that's just not true. Conservatives think about things. They just don't think about them critically. That poster isn't conservative. If he/she/q was an actual conservative, he/she/q would simply post '$1.5 billion dollars to lose PA, MI, WI, OH, FL, NC, etc. HAHAHA ALL YOUR BASE BELONG TO US!' Wyld Thang fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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Nov 18, 2016 08:52
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Is anyone in the prediction markets betting on how long into the Trump administration it will be before a standoff between federal authorities and a state's?
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Is anyone in the prediction markets betting on how long into the Trump administration it will be before a standoff between federal authorities and a state's? Considering the majority of governorships are held by Republicans, don't really think that's going to happen because the Federal gov't can simply cut off California's water supply through creative legislation.
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Crypt N. Crunch posted:Ok, I haven't logged in for a long time.
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Cigar Aficionado posted:So just to get this straight, your new President is going to constantly, brazenly lie to the American people about what he's said, what he's done, etc, and that's just going to be mostly considered "whatevs", for the next 4-8 years? And his lying isn't even the worst part. This is: http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/donald-trumps-first-alarming-week-as-president-elect quote:Later that evening, Trump’s interview with “60 Minutes,” recorded on Friday, aired, which my colleague Amy Davidson covered. The most worrying aspect of his interview may have been his hint that the Justice Department, the part of the federal government that, in the hands of an unscrupulous White House, has enormous potential for abuse, was a tool of the President. “I don’t want to hurt them. I don’t want to hurt them,” Trump said, when asked if he still wanted a special prosecutor to reopen the case of Hillary Clinton’s mishandling of classified information. “They’re, they’re good people. I don’t want to hurt them. And I will give you a very, very good and definitive answer the next time we do ‘60 Minutes’ together.” There was no appeal to the rule of law. Instead, Trump talked the way an autocrat talks and suggested that the Justice Department was simply a tool to be used against opponents, unless he felt like sparing them based on his mood and if he believes his potential targets are “good people.” This is terrifying.
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Paradoxish posted:Also, the Democratic Party is really bad at using the tools of the right. I know this is late but we don't do this because we should not be authoritarian assholes.
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Howard Dean plumb came out and said it on As It Happens, he said the Democrats shouldn't resort to the tactics of obstructionism. But oh, we should bring "new blood" to the party. But double oh, we should also choose me, Vietnam-era medical equipment lobbyist Howard Dean, as chair. Because Keith Ellison (who is a great guy!) can't do it and be in the House at the same time. Because that's what DWS tried to do and look what happened.
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I'm kind of surprised that the worker rights abuses and employing people for minimum wage with no benefits stuff that is going on at Trump casinos were never brought up during the election. No one really seemed to give a poo poo about the for-profit Trump University scam either where people were literally swindled out of thousands of dollars for bullshit certificates of completion basically stating: "Congratulations on paying $30k-80k for watching 2005 era production quality youtube videos. Here's a piece of paper and a lapel pin!". I thought the fact that Trump has not payed taxes for 18 years due to incurring almost a BILLION dollars of debt and refusing to release his tax returns would make it crystal clear to voters that he is a complete fuckup that is out to just to screw over as many people as possible, that this is morally wrong, and makes for a BAD president. Instead, voters actually embraced his exploitation of the tax code because I guess being a complete rear end in a top hat with no regard for the human condition and getting away with it is now seen as a very positive personality trait in US society. It reminds me of the real reasons why people wait in the cold for days on end for Black Friday deals at Best Buy/Target/whatever. It's not because any of the deals are actually decent, that the opportunity cost is apparently worth waiting 5 days outside for a $300 poo poo off brand TV, or that it's the only time of the year stuff is on sale. It's because people love the feeling of coming out on top of another person/institution. That's in spite of the fact that the deal is all smoke and mirrors and the real winner is the other party. Being and exploitative gently caress is now seen as "savvy" rather than "criminal". That's what really scares me. A whole generation of kids are going to grow up thinking that it is morally right to extract as much resources as possible out of your fellow man and kick em to the curb rather than working together to help create a better world for everyone. That it is "bad" to give a poo poo about other people because doing so means you may get less stuff and are therefore a lazy poor. And don't forget, poor people are TERRORISTS Edit: I first really noticed this shift in behavior when the Wolf of Wall Street movie came out. I remember seeing it at a premiere and there were people literally clapping and cheering at the end of the film. Not because the movie is really loving funny, but because Jordan Belfordt ruined the lives of thousands of vulnerable people, profited immensely off it, and basically got away with it. Avalanche fucked around with this message at 10:28 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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None of this mattered because it's more variations on "Trump bad" and apparently Americans are too dumb to look at fascists and nope the gently caress out of that poo poo. The Clinton campaign made a massive strategic error in pivoting from their message of hope and positivity at the DNC to "Trump bad" and all her myriad smaller mistakes and scandals combined with Comey's last second backstab did the rest.
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Lightning Knight posted:None of this mattered because it's more variations on "Trump bad" and apparently Americans are too dumb to look at fascists and nope the gently caress out of that poo poo. The Clinton campaign made a massive strategic error in pivoting from their message of hope and positivity at the DNC to "Trump bad" and all her myriad smaller mistakes and scandals combined with Comey's last second backstab did the rest. Yup. I just don't get the immense leap in logic people can make. How does being a slightly senile woman who doesn't understand how email/computers work be seen as a colossal issue whereas milking taxpayers for a billion dollars is A-Ok?I'm not justifying Clinton at all. She clearly hosed up, and should of been a hell of a lot more dilligent about her email poo poo. I guess it has something to do with that one old saying of: Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
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Nov 18, 2016 10:36
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Everyone's mistake has been thinking that the rural white voter wants things to improve for themselves, when what they really want is for everyone to suffer. They're just a vindictive and cruel lot. It doesn't even matter that they themselves will suffer, as long as the people they dislike (minorities, city folk, elites, etc.) suffer more. They're like accelerationists, but without the hope that things will magically get better later.
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I mean Americans have always been propagandized to worship wealth and the rich. Trump benefited from coming into the race with this already being his shtick, and unlike Mitt Romney he had no shame or desire to back down from the dumb poo poo he said. Whereas Hillary had to plow through the double whammy of being a rich white liberal (hypocracy perception) combined with being a woman with a known past (double standards, conspiracy theories and anti-globalization reaching a fever pitch). In retrospect I bet if they'd stayed on message and aggressively campaigned in states with competitive Senate seats they could've won. But the sheer incompetence and arrogance of her top level campaign staff meant she was probably doomed as soon as those polls showing huge leads came out and they went for the risky landslide instead of the easy safe win. At this point I'm more worried about Trump and his Republican toadies skull loving the country beyond repair and the progresssive left buying into this myth that neoliberals created globalization from the ether, rather than merely accelerating and mismanaging it, so we double down on the dumb "bringing the factories back" narrative and then get slapped by the electorate when we inevitably can't deliver.
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Lightning Knight posted:People think that the answer is to go back to the past because they idealize the past. The notion of a better future is impossible if you're terrified of change and the notion of progress. Likewise the notion that manual labor could be obsolete scares people who were brainwashed to believe that their personal worth is tied to their work and not their inherent humanity. The idea of just not having to work is spooky. Don't discard the past and then act like one of the oldest class struggles in the book, universal income at the hands of capitalist automation, is some new thing. Thomas Paine, one of the only US founding fathers that wasn't a sack of poo poo, wrote about it in 1797 in Agrarian justice: http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/Paine/agrarian.html quote:"It is a position not to be controverted that the earth, in its natural, cultivated state was, and ever would have continued to be, the common property of the human race. In that state every man would have been born to property. He would have been a joint life proprietor with rest in the property of the soil, and in all its natural productions, vegetable and animal." In 1797, the word for Automation was Cultivation, but the sentiment is the same, this income is due because land in its original state has its value distinct from land in its cultivated state, and every person has a right to the value of land in its original state. quote:"Nothing could be more unjust than agrarian law in a country improved by cultivation; for though every man, as an inhabitant of the earth, is a joint proprietor of it in its natural state, it does not follow that he is a joint proprietor of cultivated earth. The additional value made by cultivation, after the system was admitted, became the property of those who did it, or who inherited it from them, or who purchased it. It had originally no owner. While, therefore, I advocate the right, and interest myself in the hard case of all those who have been thrown out of their natural inheritance by the introduction of the system of landed property, I equally defend the right of the possessor to the part which is his."
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:Don't discard the past and then act like one of the oldest class struggles in the book, universal income at the hands of capitalist automation, is some new thing. Thomas Paine, one of the only US founding fathers that wasn't a sack of poo poo, wrote about it in 1797 in Agrarian justice: While that is quite interesting, I'm not discounting it. Ironically I think certain strains of progressivism are acting too conservatively. They see a problem of poverty and want to roll back the clock to fix it when globalization can't be fixed, because it isn't a bad thing. The entire point of leftism and socialism was a world without borders, poverty, and inequality. As always, the problem with globalization isn't trade or immigration, it's that the means of production are owned by too few.
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Lightning Knight posted:The entire point of leftism and socialism was a world without borders, poverty, and inequality. The entire point of leftism is getting out and doing poo poo to fight for the people, but instead we the people are impotently posting away on Something Awful or facebook.
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Crypt N. Crunch posted:Ok, I haven't logged in for a long time. I am one of the few conservative people that used to be on here a while back, but left voluntarily years ago. I have come to tell you what many people on here don't seem to get, so open your ears. Remember that Toxx in 2012 where people were banned if they picked Romney for the election? I never participated in that nonsense, but here is what that effectively did. IT PURGED THIS FORUM OF DISSENTING VIEWPOINTS AND TURNED IT INTO AN ECHO-CHAMBER. Well aren't you lucky, the exact opposite just happened and now the forum has been purged the other way so welcome back !
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Saul Alinsky realized the rural middle class needed help in 1965 but apparently the last real revolutionary died in 1972 and with that any hope for real progress. Now that festering boil has popped, and tons of us are just now realizing that it wasn't acceptable to sit on the sidelines and waste your life in your job or hobby without doing your part to fight for every one else, and now we pay the price for it. A lesson a lot of us also would have learned from history had we bothered to read it.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:The entire point of leftism is getting out and doing poo poo to fight for the people, but instead we the people are impotently posting away on Something Awful or facebook. I mean, only a tiny fraction of us actually do poo poo on a regular basis. It just kind of amuses and frightens me that the technology actually exists to make socialism work and we're instead talking about fighting... for poor people to keep working themselves to death in factories in America instead of the Third World? All these rich people to take money from and give to the poor and our plan is "tariffs, hope it doesn't crash the global economy and make it worse instead of glorious American resurgence of factory work."
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I'm so happy that Strasserism is finally making its comeback to the world politics scene. With Putin, Trump, Le Pen and soon Wilders in such powerful positions, they're going to do what the Soviets and anarchists and Jacobins failed to do and destroy the elites. Capitalism can be made to work for us and against them. Its dynamism is a weapon and Trump knows this. He's going to make America great.
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Lightning Knight posted:While that is quite interesting, I'm not discounting it. Ironically I think certain strains of progressivism are acting too conservatively. They see a problem of poverty and want to roll back the clock to fix it when globalization can't be fixed, because it isn't a bad thing. The entire point of leftism and socialism was a world without borders, poverty, and inequality. As always, the problem with globalization isn't trade or immigration, it's that the means of production are owned by too few. well that and globalism seems to be built off the idea that it's cool to keep polluting like crazy. how else do we justify the massive CO2 waste that goes into shipping poo poo all around the world so the capitalist classes can exploit the global poor?
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Depending on the product it's actually better to ship something and produce large amounts then it is to have a bunch of inefficient local producers. We should definitely not be exploiting the global poor either way though.
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Condiv posted:well that and globalism seems to be built off the idea that it's cool to keep polluting like crazy. how else do we justify the massive CO2 waste that goes into shipping poo poo all around the world so the capitalist classes can exploit the global poor? Globalization. Globalism is the alt-right dogwhistle for Jewish people. That is a much more interesting problem that we put off fixing for much too long. I don't think the US has the unilateral power to do much about it though even if we really wanted to. I suspect global warming will have to be swallowing cities before anyone bothers to react to it. By then it'll be too late. Edit: ^ the thing about the exploitation of the global poor is that all of our leverage to do anything about it ironically lays in trade deals. We can't really force countries to adopt better labor and environmental standards at gun point (or at least I hope we see why that's a stupid idea) but we can make it a condition of trading with the lucrative American market and then enforce it with our economic leverage. Unfortunately nobody is pushing really hard for that, or is likely to. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 11:21 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:Global warming is already causing mass migrations in Africa due to aridization. I think it has to swallow a city that the bourgeois care about first I assumed that was implicit. Luckily New York City is on the short list of poo poo that's going into the sea! 
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Lightning Knight posted:Globalization. Globalism is the alt-right dogwhistle for Jewish people. I think we'll have a while before we see anyone push trade deals again in either party. Which stinks, because access to our markets based on regulations for pollution/worker safety would be a hell of an incentive. Problem is it would hinge on getting people to care about people outside of this country, and we don't really have caring about people inside this country down well either. Also since populism sells, you're never going to get a populist that will say something about helping out the poor half way around the world outside of some utopian startrek timeline.
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Lightning Knight posted:I assumed that was implicit. It will actually take a lot to get New York underwater. Unlike Miami and most of Florida. Or coastal South Carolina. Or Martha's Vineyard.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:The entire point of leftism is getting out and doing poo poo to fight for the people, but instead we the people are impotently posting away on Something Awful or facebook. Ironically, both the European far left and right are all about restoring economic controls to national levels
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