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Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
All these picks are pretty atrocious. Nothing I didn't expect, though.

Trump is the deathknell of this country and that's good: this country stands for nothing and deserves to fall into disarray and anarchy.

I have no respect for this nation anymore. None at all.

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Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

FactsAreUseless posted:

Trump has proposed a federal hiring freeze and has not said anything about student loans. I can't address the payroll tax thing.

He actually has said something about student loans. He wants the feds to not act as a guarantor for federal student loans. Fed loans are usually at about 4 to 4.5% interest rates and private are around 6-7%.

So, the practical effect is to raise interest rates for some student loans by about 2%.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

He actually has said something about student loans. He wants the feds to not act as a guarantor for federal student loans. Fed loans are usually at about 4 to 4.5% interest rates and private are around 6-7%.

So, the practical effect is to raise interest rates for some student loans by about 2%.
Crisis solved!

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

He actually has said something about student loans. He wants the feds to not act as a guarantor for federal student loans. Fed loans are usually at about 4 to 4.5% interest rates and private are around 6-7%.

So, the practical effect is to raise interest rates for some student loans by about 2%.

He also advocated for a forgiveness plan that wasn't entirely regressive. I'm sure he forgot it five minutes later though and will pursue the most asinine policy possible.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
So, we should expect full on Nixon at this point, if not Mussolini 2.0?

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Sessions is bound to have a few skeletons in his closet tree, right? RIGHT?

Mr. Belding
May 19, 2006
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FactsAreUseless posted:

Trump has proposed a federal hiring freeze and has not said anything about student loans. I can't address the payroll tax thing.

While campaigning he proposed a student loan plan. Infrastructure requires contractors, which isn't definitionally hiring but is still Keynesian spending that will stimulate the economy.

He would likely not uncap payroll taxes but if he wanted to, dems ought to support it.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

Covok posted:

So, we should expect full on Nixon at this point, if not Mussolini 2.0?

Nixon was restrained by a liberal political climate and a liberal majority in both Houses. We'd be lucky to get Nixon.

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer

FlamingLiberal posted:

If I were a Muslim American I would be absolutely terrified right now. Keep in mind that the NSA and the police have a surveillance apparatus that would easily allow them to monitor Muslims as a group, assuming we aren't already doing that

I am afraid. They have and under this administration they will again. :smith:

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Nixon was restrained by a liberal political climate and a liberal majority in both Houses. We'd be lucky to get Nixon.

So, we should be expecting Stalin then?

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

Covok posted:

Good or bad?

Bad. NYTimes on his appointment

quote:

They also both exhibit a loose relationship with facts: General Flynn, for instance, has said that Shariah, or Islamic law, is spreading in the United States (it is not). His dubious assertions are so common that when he ran the Defense Intelligence Agency, subordinates came up with a name for the phenomenon: They called them “Flynn facts.”
Interview with WP, on his book:

quote:

FLYNN: They censored some things, yeah. The caused me to change things that were policy issues that had nothing classified.
PRIEST: An example?
FLYNN: They didn’t want me to say that North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba were allies of radical Islam.

Kilroy
Oct 1, 2000

Covok posted:

All these picks are pretty atrocious. Nothing I didn't expect, though.

Trump is the deathknell of this country and that's good: this country stands for nothing and deserves to fall into disarray and anarchy.

I have no respect for this nation anymore. None at all.
American cities are actually fine. Rural areas are poo poo and no matter how much cash we throw their way they can't help but whip themselves into a frenzy. And of course they'd vote against real leftist solution to poo poo as well, so you're left with: can't transfer wealth because that makes them feel helpless, can't do democratic socialism because obviously, can't just leave them to twist in the wind. Basically can't do anything to please these assholes.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

I've really been trying hard to stay in denial about Trump's election, plus I've had a lot of family stuff going on these last couple weeks. Wanted to avoid thinking about it for as long as possible, just to kind of let it settle in the back of my mind, otherwise I'd go crazy.

But these cabinet picks are getting to me, and making it way more real. I was actually considering swearing off politics for my own psychological well-being, but it's not like I could avoid the creeping knowledge of all of this.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Covok posted:

So, we should be expecting Stalin then?

If Stalin were incredibly incompetent and couldn't palm a baseball, yeah.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Covok posted:

So, we should be expecting Stalin then?

This is something totally new.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Flynn is literally on the payroll of Russia and Turkey. This is a loving coup.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.

FactsAreUseless posted:

Trump has proposed a federal hiring freeze and has not said anything about student loans. I can't address the payroll tax thing.

Yeah, this sucks WRP which is a recruitment program for students with disabilities for work in the Federal System got me some great interviews ,but now I'm probably not going to get any of the jobs.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

We're going to war, aren't we?

BarbarianElephant
Feb 12, 2015
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

Covok posted:

We're going to war, aren't we?

No, the victory was bloodless.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Guys I don't think this Trump guy is Hitler.

I'm pretty sure he's the Enabling Act.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

BarbarianElephant posted:

No, the victory was bloodless.

I meant that America, the nation, is going to go to war.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







Mr. Belding posted:

While campaigning he proposed a student loan plan. Infrastructure requires contractors, which isn't definitionally hiring but is still Keynesian spending that will stimulate the economy.

He would likely not uncap payroll taxes but if he wanted to, dems ought to support it.

Construction stimulus will be paid for through above the line tax credits.

That's not Keynesian.

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012


How many of Trump's appointments need to have been paid by the Kremlin before Republican lawmakers other than Lindsey Graham start to notice something fishy is going on?

Covok posted:

We're going to war, aren't we?

If we don't go bombs-dropped, boots-on-the-ground in Syria I'll be shocked.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Fitzy Fitz posted:

He also advocated for a forgiveness plan that wasn't entirely regressive. I'm sure he forgot it five minutes later though and will pursue the most asinine policy possible.

The plan is to stop all Federal student loan programs, but keep the bankruptcy exemption.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

FizFashizzle posted:

Construction stimulus will be paid for through above the line tax credits.

That's not Keynesian.

It actually is. It's just highly inefficient.

Keynesian doesn't specify the method of spending. Just supports running large deficits and expansionary monetary policy during economic downtimes.

Rabble
Dec 3, 2005

Pillbug

Covok posted:

I meant that America, the nation, is going to go to war.

And he is saying that someone on Russia's payroll is going to be running our National Security apparatus.

This whole thing is a disaster.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Glazier posted:

The plan is to stop all Federal student loan programs, but keep the bankruptcy exemption.

He mentioned a forgiveness program as well. I think it was after 15 years of payments. That's what I mean though--he doesn't actually have a serious plan.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Kilroy
Oct 1, 2000

Covok posted:

So, we should expect full on Nixon at this point, if not Mussolini 2.0?
Trump is going to be way worse than Nixon, who felt he had an obligation to tell convincing lies.

the black husserl
Feb 25, 2005

Sorry everyone, more bad news. Pop culture leaders have started to bend the knee.

quote:

At one point, Kanye said that he liked aspects of Donald Trump's campaign and said that, had he voted, he would've voted for Trump, as shown by fan videos and reports from the show. "I told y’all I didn’t vote, right?” he said. “But if I would’ve voted, I would’ve voted on Trump.”

Later in the evening, he rapped in a freestyle "I hope they build the wall/I hope they get rid of them all."
Expect Beyonce, Kendall Jenner, and Taylor Swift to fall in line soon enough.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Gobbeldygook posted:

FLYNN: They didn’t want me to say that North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba were allies of radical Islam.

The US is hosed. Best case scenario is that they get bored after bombing Iran or invading Cuba. Worst case scenario is a few more thousand dead soldiers and trillions of dollars wasted.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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61 million people voted for this unfit fool and his cadre of racists. 61 million people.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Glazier posted:

Again, you mean. Don't forget this is the default state of America, hell my father was born in a Negro Hospital and I'm a Gen X'er. The last 50 years have been an aberration, it was inevitable there would be a whitelash.

Well Millenials can bring it back. But I think this time MIllenials are going to have to realize that we cannot tolerate the thoughts of the socioapths. We must make these actions illegal, and prepare special areas for the care of such people where they will endure great hardships and must say their hardships are a mercy before they are allowed back. This is the only way you deal with them, they're natural instinct is to fear? Well give them the state to fear.

Also as Bernie has prmised to stand in the way agianst Racism and the destruction of the social saftey net I have good news.

Trump caves all tuhe time, he does it quietly or through blame. But if the dems can block him where it counts, Trump will cave, he's too lazy to take his poo poo all the way.

Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Nov 18, 2016

disjoe
Feb 18, 2011


Fitzy Fitz posted:

He also advocated for a forgiveness plan that wasn't entirely regressive. I'm sure he forgot it five minutes later though and will pursue the most asinine policy possible.

Yeah he said he wants to get rid of PSLF and have all fed loans forgiven no matter your job after 12 or 15 (I can't remember) years.

Guess which one of those two he's probably actually going to do.


I should add, current/past borrowers shouldn't worry because your protections are almost certainly going to be grandfathered in.

For future borrowers, prepare to have different repayment terms for every year you borrow. Embrace chaos!

disjoe fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Nov 18, 2016

BarbarianElephant
Feb 12, 2015
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

Harrow posted:

How many of Trump's appointments need to have been paid by the Kremlin before Republican lawmakers other than Lindsey Graham start to notice something fishy is going on?

People have noticed and they don't care. Right-wingers love Putin. If you've been following the Freep thread over the last couple of years you'd see that the far right have been spooging over Putin for some time.

rscott
Dec 10, 2009
Mike Pompeo gonna be CIA director, the Kochs just bought themselves an intelligence agency

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Harrow posted:

How many of Trump's appointments need to have been paid by the Kremlin before Republican lawmakers other than Lindsey Graham start to notice something fishy is going on?

Apparently nobody but us either notices or cares. Holy gently caress. Russia just cobbed us.

Confounding Factor
Jul 4, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Harrow posted:

How many of Trump's appointments need to have been paid by the Kremlin before Republican lawmakers other than Lindsey Graham start to notice something fishy is going on?

Desperate times call for desperate measures, save us all, Lindsey loving Graham. What a world.

Guy Farting
Jul 28, 2003

has vegetable salty
I hope all of Reddit and 4chan get arrested for weed possession.

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ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Mustached Demon posted:

Sessions is bound to have a few skeletons in his closet tree, right? RIGHT?

Yes. He was rejected from a federal judiciary seat in the 1980s because he is a blatant white supremacist. :laffo: if you think that matters any more in 2016 though.

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