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like it feels like democrats care more about the spectacle of marketing than actually developing poo poo that resonates and motivates audiences.
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don't underestimate the power of football in the south hillary could've won Alabama if she showed up to speak in Tuscaloosa in a houndstooth cap
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:louisiana state democrats convinced the republicans in the legislature to work w/ them on fixing the gaping holes in the budget that jindal left b/c it would've shut down the state gov't which includes LSU and therefore tiger football gently caress this is a good idea
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The dems not capitalizing on the NC Republican state house taking away their NCAA championship games is a testament to how hosed we really are.
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anime was right posted:like it feels like democrats care more about the spectacle of marketing than actually developing poo poo that resonates and motivates audiences. democrats should care about one thing: winning
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Fullhouse posted:don't underestimate the power of football in the south b-b-but sports are toxic masculinity for dumb unwokes Boomer Sooners!
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Fullhouse posted:don't underestimate the power of football in the south honestly, we should be arguing for keeping up amiable international relations because of the Olympics. becoming too antagonistic and isolationist could put our nationalist dick measuring competition in danger! too bad Trump won't have to deal with one until the end of his term though.
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bump_fn posted:gently caress this is a good idea well it's not like they're actually raising taxes on business or anything that jindal hosed super hard but it's a good start this time around they had to have two special legislative sessions to do it after the first one got gridlocked, so i'm wondering how good that leverage actually is and will be next year but yea "shut down the government" doesn't sound great when it affects precious foobaw
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comingafteryouall posted:so you're saying we're getting a military coup? Much like Bernie says "We need-ah political REVOHLUTUION in this country!". This organization would be about advocating for using the military for furthering progressive causes and making the world a better place instead of bombing poor people in third world countries. Trump is 100% going to gently caress over the military and veterans and there needs to be a voice saying "Join the democrats and we won't send you to die or take away your benefits. We will help you no matter where you live". Ultimately D.C. based liberal military people despise incompetence and progressives seem to be one of the few groups that don't have their heads up their asses. EDIT: If anyone has any suggestions for how retired generals/admirals could help advocate the progressive cause feel free to post them or send them to me.
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Venom Snake posted:EDIT: If anyone has any suggestions for how retired generals/admirals could help advocate the progressive cause feel free to post them or send them to me. get them to use their connections to stop donald trump from nuking us all
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:at LSU people can circumvent the school itself and directly donate to the foobaw team Literally every school FBS on down has that. Even most high schools that aren't sports factories have booster clubs.
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Fullhouse posted:don't underestimate the power of football in the south Woulda lost the Auburn vote.
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Fiction posted:get them to use their connections to stop donald trump from nuking us all lol
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the football players are labor the NCAA/coaching staff are the capitalists bam, easy way to relate to normal americans. just have some football players come out and tell their stories of being exploited, talk about "man, doesn't this story sound familiar to some of y'all? doesn't this sound like the health insurance company not giving aunt thelma that surgery she needed? doesn't this sound like your boss not giving you any time off?" of course, many people will just talk about how the football players are getting a free education and should be grateful for their scholarships instead of whining.
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Thoguh posted:Woulda lost the Auburn vote. can't win em all
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OAquinas posted:Ugh. My local dem meeting is on thanksgiving. Somehow, I doubt they're actually going to meet then. Oh, they've already rescheduled, and the chair sent out an email from his hotmail account to a mailing list they started on six years ago and never updated. Similar thing happened in my district, I didn't know until I showed up. The county even spent money to send letters to people asking them to come in on the wrong day.
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Venom Snake posted:Much like Bernie says "We need-ah political REVOHLUTUION in this country!". This organization would be about advocating for using the military for furthering progressive causes and making the world a better place instead of bombing poor people in third world countries. Trump is 100% going to gently caress over the military and veterans and there needs to be a voice saying "Join the democrats and we won't send you to die or take away your benefits. We will help you no matter where you live". Ultimately D.C. based liberal military people despise incompetence and progressives seem to be one of the few groups that don't have their heads up their asses. i imagine they would be better at rural non-coastal outreach if they could support prog dems in redder areas that could help a lot
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OAquinas posted:Yeah, I think you can safely write off military support unless Trump somehow manages to screw up the "fellate the military furiously" section of the despot playbook. It's a gigantic institution with people from many backgrounds, some of which are from the coasts and some who went to pretty liberal universities. Maybe a majority aren't progressives, but it's silly to discount all military members because of some dumb stereotype. Additionally, while I think it's fair to say that domestic issues should be front and center right now, defense and foreign policy aren't things that the Democratic party can just ignore while we get our poo poo together here.
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Trump is reprehensible but was lawfully elected. There's not going to be any huge coup or anything against him because America respects institutions. The presidency came before him and the presidency will outlast him and the people acting hysterical (not in this thread, just in general) need to slow their roll. Tearing down the legitimacy of our government just because somebody you don't like was elected is a terrible long term plan. Same with the faithless elector thing. I didn't vote for Trump and find him utterly reprehensible but I'd be one of the people rioting in the streets if they install somebody else as President.
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bump_fn posted:i imagine they would be better at rural non-coastal outreach That's the plan! Out reach to area's that people haven't gone to before. The places were veterans suffer the most isn't NOVA. It's out in the midwest and rural area's of the US. OAquinas posted:Yeah, I think you can safely write off military support unless Trump somehow manages to screw up the "fellate the military furiously" section of the despot playbook. There aren't a lot of retired liberal high level military people. But they aren't going to sit by and let Trump and the GOP get away with w/e the gently caress they want.
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Thoguh posted:Trump is reprehensible but was lawfully elected. There's not going to be any huge coup or anything against him because America respects institutions. The presidency came before him and the presidency will outlast him and the people acting hysterical (not in this thread, just in general) need to slow their roll. Tearing down the legitimacy of our government just because somebody you don't like was elected is a terrible long term plan. yeah, but on the other hand there's a pretty big feeling that Trump made a mockery of the whole presidential process and is ready to attack people's civil rights. So let them freak out a bit it's a healthy reaction to this election.
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Venom Snake posted:EDIT: If anyone has any suggestions for how retired generals/admirals could help advocate the progressive cause feel free to post them or send them to me. Anyone familiar with 'Cyberspace is the fifth domain of warfare' business? If we developed a cyberwarfare branch a la the Marines -- fuse NSA and Army Cyber or something -- could that held insulate the public from being on the receiving end of a surveillance/control infrastructure? Would there be a posse comitatus angle? (Yes, I'm just spitballing an idea here) Edit: Working-age pensioners as an approximate study group for UBI effects? Accretionist has issued a correction as of 21:00 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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Accretionist posted:Anyone familiar with 'Cyberspace is the fifth domain of warfare' business? If we developed a cyberwarfare branch a la the Marines -- fuse NSA and Army Cyber or something -- could that held insulate the public from being on the receiving end of a surveillance/control infrastructure? Would there be a posse comitatus angle? Good ideas. But I was more looking for basic things that you could talk about in a stump speech.
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Venom Snake posted:That's the plan! Out reach to area's that people haven't gone to before. The places were veterans suffer the most isn't NOVA. It's out in the midwest and rural area's of the US. Probably a dumb question, but if you're sending generals and other military people out to rural areas, are they going under the democratic party banner or through some third party pac type deal? Maybe I'm overthinking it but I bet you get better response to General Happablap if the speech is organized by "Veterans for a better America" etc Venom Snake posted:Good ideas. But I was more looking for basic things that you could talk about in a stump speech. Acknowledging the global superiority of American armed forces and pivoting to something like the CCC? Like from a "we have enough swords let's get some ploughshares in this poo poo" angle slicing up eyeballs has issued a correction as of 21:09 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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Venom Snake posted:Good ideas. But I was more looking for basic things that you could talk about in a stump speech. Maybe protect tricare and come at it from the vet healthcare issue? Private insurance is about to become a lot more predatory, and being a vet is basically a pre-existing condition.
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slicing up eyeballs posted:Probably a dumb question, but if you're sending generals and other military people out to rural areas, are they going under the democratic party banner or through some third party pac type deal? Maybe I'm overthinking it but I bet you get better response to General Happablap if the speech is organized by "Veterans for a better America" etc Yeah it's going to be a group not explicitly democratic, but more "Hey were generals and were progressive". OAquinas posted:Maybe protect tricare and come at it from the vet healthcare issue? Private insurance is about to become a lot more predatory, and being a vet is basically a pre-existing condition. Exactly.
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Top City Homo posted:when neoliberals dog whistle about inflation they are actually talking about rising labor costs Hang on a second. Inflation is driven by increases in the money supply. QE has pumped tons of money in the economy, and while its true policy makers have done everything to keep inflation down, you can't do that forever. Inflation has to hit sometime. I don't think it's going to stay quiet with a trillion dollars of infrastructure stimulus floating around.
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Any of them willing to address mental health? If the military changes its attitude then America might, too. Veteran suicide rates are 20%+ higher than the general public's so this is important even in isolation. Right now, the dominant paradigm is that mental health does not exist. What exists is strength or weakness and the presence or absence of intrinsic defect. The brain generates the mind the and the brain is made out of meat. It is three and a half pounds of pinkish-grey flesh with the consistency of flan. That poo poo's delicate and prone to all manner of malfunction. I'm not good at talking points but you can see what I'm getting at.
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Dem strategy should just be to parry every Trumpian poo poo sandwich to come down the line with the progressive alternative. Nothing fancy.
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Also, Global Warming as National Security. 'Emissions Cuts protect American Lives' 'Environmentalism stops Wars' Again, I'm bad with talking points but I think there's great angles here if they're up for taking the heat
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I'm not sure what branches they are from, but in the Midwest non-military people are most familiar with and generally have high respect for the US Army Corps of Engineers. Cities and towns are usually alongside rivers, and rivers flood. The Army Engineers are always pretty involved with the rescue efforts and cleanups in the worse cases, and general maintenance of flood walls along major rivers like the Mississippi and Missouri. They've also done work with environmental cleanup and such along with the EPA. So if people need an example of how the military can be used to help the country in peacetime, there is one that people in the Midwest are very familiar with. Of course, that is another issue where gently caress YOU MIDWEST comes into play: funding for levees and flood walls is allocated based on "a ratio that compares the cost of a project with the value of property being protected." Coastal Cities of course score much higher because the property values are higher.
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Accretionist posted:Also, Global Warming as National Security. A good argument to be made is that Syria exploded and helped launch ISIS after an historic drought hit. But that isn't very speech-snappy. Which is kind of the Democratic Party problem in a nutshell: "Our solutions don't fit on bumper stickers"
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Accretionist posted:Also, Global Warming as National Security. Lol Martin O'Malley actually tried that tack during his primary run.
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Fullhouse posted:"climate change makes the world unsafe" doesn't seem like too hard of a slogan Any slogan where you are reminding people of problems without offering solutions, however trite, is not a good slogan.
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