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Dems were going to lose a lot of seats in 2010 regardless who was in charge. 2006 and 2008 were huge Dem wins due to Bush unpopularity. Midterms are usually bad for incumbent president's party plus 2010 was right after pushing through a controversial health care law. Tea party really took off that year and conservatives were motivated while liberals were complacent as usual.
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kenner116 posted:Dems were going to lose a lot of seats in 2010 regardless who was in charge. 2006 and 2008 were huge Dem wins due to Bush unpopularity. Midterms are usually bad for incumbent president's party plus 2010 was right after pushing through a controversial health care law. Tea party really took off that year and conservatives were motivated while liberals were complacent as usual. They ditched all of the Howard Dean policies that led to 2006 and 2008, it wasn't just Inevitability
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Nov 18, 2016 21:28
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I feel like that's less than the money he made the RNC pay to use Trump brand real estate
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Nov 18, 2016 21:28
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I'd like to believe that Dem turnout will be way up in 2018 compared to 2014, because if two years of Trump can't motivate Dems to vote in downticket races then we're well and truly hosed
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Nov 18, 2016 21:28
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HorseRenoir posted:I'd like to believe that Dem turnout will be way up in 2018 compared to 2014, because if two years of Trump can't motivate Dems to vote in downticket races then we're well and truly hosed Never underestimate the democratic party in their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Nov 18, 2016 21:32
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the next chapter of the trump university saga will come in however many weeks it takes journalists to notice that trump never pays the settlement, then.
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Nov 18, 2016 21:37
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FeedingHam2Cats posted:They ditched all of the Howard Dean policies that led to 2006 and 2008, it wasn't just Inevitability It was pretty much inevitable. Dean was just there at the right time and 2010 would have been just as bad with him running things. Blue dogs were going down and there was nothing anyone could have done to stop it (unless McCain won in '08).
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Nov 18, 2016 21:37
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Venuz Patrol posted:the next chapter of the trump university saga will come in however many weeks it takes journalists to notice that trump never pays the settlement, then. He'll try to pay it from the US budget.
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Nov 18, 2016 21:39
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Deans tenure brought us a whole bunch of the kind of people for whose blood this thread has been baying.
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Nov 18, 2016 21:39
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How does Sessions compare to John Ashcroft on the horrible scale?
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Nov 18, 2016 21:41
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Meatball posted:He'll pay it from the US budget. FTFY
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Nov 18, 2016 21:41
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kenner116 posted:It was pretty much inevitable. Counterpoint: Donald Trump will be our next president. Inevitability doesn't exist and the Democrats failed due to their own incompetence. The sheer number of seats they have lost at every level is insane and cannot be chalked up to some "common sense" political wisdom
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Meatball posted:He'll pay it from the USSR budget. Of course, this depends on how well he blows Putin at their next meeting.
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Nov 18, 2016 21:43
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theblackw0lf posted:How does Sessions compare to John Ashcroft on the horrible scale? I don't remember if Ashcroft had a particularly troubling history of allegations of racism before he became AG. Sessions sure does. e: Oops, I forgot, there was the whole "accepting an honorary degree from Bob Jones University" thing for Ashcroft. So I'd say it's a wash, in terms of awfulness. Majorian fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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Nov 18, 2016 21:43
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Nov 18, 2016 21:43
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theblackw0lf posted:How does Sessions compare to John Ashcroft on the horrible scale?
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Nov 18, 2016 21:44
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If you're not willing to support more conservative Jim Webb style Dems then don't bother trying a 50 state strategy again. You're not going to be electing any Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warrens in these districts.
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Nov 18, 2016 21:45
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theblackw0lf posted:How does Sessions compare to John Ashcroft on the horrible scale? Objectively way worse and undeniably Actually Racist really hope he's not confirmed, start calling moderate repubs now. I have to imagine Rand Paul can be turned at least.
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Nov 18, 2016 21:45
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the left coast is going to absolutely despise the feds, because you can guarantee that Sessions is going to send in the DEA to shut down their legal weed operations the us prison population is about to absolutely EXPLODE. expect prison camps to come back in a big way cause there's no room for all the new bodies
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Nov 18, 2016 21:48
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HorseRenoir posted:I'd like to believe that Dem turnout will be way up in 2018 compared to 2014, because if two years of Trump can't motivate Dems to vote in downticket races then we're well and truly hosed If holding your nose was an applicable strategy, we wouldn't have president trump to begin with. It's on the candidates to motivate the voters.
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Nov 18, 2016 21:49
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the black husserl posted:the left coast is going to absolutely despise the feds, because you can guarantee that Sessions is going to send in the DEA to shut down their legal weed operations And my decision to never smoke weed feels more and more like a good idea.
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Nov 18, 2016 21:50
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theblackw0lf posted:How does Sessions compare to John Ashcroft on the horrible scale? it's bad
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the black husserl posted:the left coast is going to absolutely despise the feds, because you can guarantee that Sessions is going to send in the DEA to shut down their legal weed operations Cali is going to riot when Sessions tries to deport millions of people.
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Majorian posted:I don't remember if Ashcroft had a particularly troubling history of allegations of racism before he became AG. Sessions sure does. ashcroft lost an election to a dead guy, lmao
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kenner116 posted:If you're not willing to support more conservative Jim Webb style Dems then don't bother trying a 50 state strategy again. You're not going to be electing any Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warrens in these districts. Bingo. Now there's some wiggle room here, I think-- you can always give a candidate a certain amount of leeway in some areas ("ok, bob, you can film a spot where you literally shoot a gun at obamacare") while clamping the whip down hard when it comes to, say, voting for universal healthcare. But if you pull off a 50 state strategy you will necessarily have people across a much broader section of the ideological spectrum in your party. Dean gave us some of the blue dogs who made Obama's first couple of years in office harder than necessary, and who perished in the tea party blitz.
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Nov 18, 2016 21:53
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theblackw0lf posted:How does Sessions compare to John Ashcroft on the horrible scale? if John Ashcroft was a kind of weird, christian hypersexualization of everything, type of creep, then Sessions is a kind of mint juleps on the front porch while watching your overseers beat a slave to death for your amusement type of creep
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Nov 18, 2016 21:55
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the black husserl posted:the left coast is going to absolutely despise the feds, because you can guarantee that Sessions is going to send in the DEA to shut down their legal weed operations I was wondering if the for-profit prison industry is going to suddenly find a pile of minorities in it's prison which it will then use to replace all the actual labor being done by illegals. I mean if we're going full evil, massively increasing the prison population so you can use them for effectively slave labor is about right. Along with bombing Iran to drive up oil prices, or something else, which primarily benefits the energy industry and all those oil workers who are hurting with oil prices back down to a reasonable range. Also I think "left coast" includes Colorado and Alaska at this point. I can't imagine a policy that would actually cause more young people to turn off to Trump and the modern Republican party than pissing all over legal weed.
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Haha we are definitely going full evilquote:“Darkness is good,” says Bannon, who amid the suits surrounding him at Trump Tower, looks like a graduate student in his T-shirt, open button-down and tatty blue blazer — albeit a 62-year-old graduate student. “Dick Cheney. Darth Vader. Satan. That’s power. It only helps us when they—“ I believe by “they” he means liberals and the media, already promoting calls for his ouster “—get it wrong. When they’re blind to who we are and what we’re doing.”
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Nov 18, 2016 21:59
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KomradeX posted:By the sounds of it this is another Democratic establishment guy. So the Democrats have decided not to learn any lessons at all. Goddamn I was tally hoping to not have 8 years of Trump. Van Hollen owns, maryland owns. Just gooogle him instead of posting your literal "dems didn't learn" garbage.
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Nov 18, 2016 21:59
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Yall are talking about democrats and republicans while an evil man in a dark tower (who controls the country) plots ways to make you and your children suffer. Just sayin'.
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Nov 18, 2016 22:01
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Business Gorillas posted:If holding your nose was an applicable strategy, we wouldn't have president trump to begin with. I think there's a marked difference between "vote or else the Republican will potentially do horrible poo poo in the future if they gain power" and "vote because the Republicans have power are doing horrible poo poo right now and only you can stop it". I think a lot of Dems (both leadership and voters) got complacent because Obama was in control and no one thought Hillary would lose. That's gone now and I'm not sure what's going to happen.
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Nov 18, 2016 22:01
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wow Bannon is loving delusional-style evil.
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If it makes you feel better, someone who unironically talks like that is probably a loving dullard who can never obtain po---oh right...lol nothing matters, death is certain, god is dead, gently caress this gay earth lololololol ... Sigh.
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Instant Sunrise posted:ashcroft lost an election to a dead guy, lmao To be fair, the dead guy was running against John Ashcroft, so it was kind of hard for even him to lose.
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Nov 18, 2016 22:04
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yes hello heres my campaign CEO and apparent right-hand man: a Final Fantasy villain
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Nov 18, 2016 22:04
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paranoid randroid posted:yes hello heres my campaign CEO and apparent right-hand man: a Final Fantasy villain Not even a good one like Kefka or Seiprohoth, but a lovely one like Garland or Seymour.
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Nov 18, 2016 22:07
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HorseRenoir posted:I think there's a marked difference between "vote or else the Republican will potentially do horrible poo poo in the future if they gain power" and "vote because the Republicans have power are doing horrible poo poo right now and only you can stop it". I think a lot of Dems (both leadership and voters) got complacent because Obama was in control and no one thought Hillary would lose. That's gone now and I'm not sure what's going to happen. I mean, resting on inevitability and the very minimum to be "Most Sane Choice" has kind of brought us here, a world where Trump is president Mmmmmmmmmmmaybe we shouldn't gamble on figuring out how little we need to do to win
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Nov 18, 2016 22:08
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Covok posted:Not even a good one like Kefka or Seiprohoth, but a lovely one like Garland or Seymour. "I, Bannon, will knock all the non-whites down!"
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Nov 18, 2016 22:09
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okay, im gonna put my money on Bannon being the first to get shivved by the rest of the cabinet, because theres no way he doesnt creep the hell out of everyone else
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paranoid randroid posted:okay, im gonna put my money on Bannon being the first to get shivved by the rest of the cabinet, because theres no way he doesnt creep the hell out of everyone else B-but he worships satan!!! What if he uses his dark side force powers to force choke up with his satan magic!?
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