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The Phlegmatist posted:Anne Hutchinson (16th cen. Puritan spiritual advisor in the Massachusetts Bay Colony) was one of my favorites. At one point she said that sinning was actually good, since if you felt guilt from sinning that meant you were regenerated by the Holy Spirit, and if you were regenerated by the Holy Spirit that meant you were one of the elect and were predestined to heaven. So sinning reminded you that you were heaven-bound so actually was in some ways preferable to not sinning. That's one of those "well, this is technically correct, but..." soteriological loophole things that I enjoy. A viewpoint more recently espoused by a be-wimpled Robbie Coltrane in the 1990 British sex comedy Nuns on the Run: Father Seamus: Tell me. Is celibacy just as difficult for a woman as it is for a man? Charlie McManus: I wouldn't know... I must come clean, though, I, I had a man in my bed last night. All right. You see, the way I see it, sex is allowed. Father Seamus: Ah, ha... ha! Charlie McManus: No. No, it's the doctrine of original sin. You see, we're all born sinful, except for Jesus. who was perfect of course. And he was sent to save us. But how could he save us unless we're sinning? So we have to go on sinning in order to be saved and go to Heaven. That's how Christianity works. That's why it suits so many people. Mr Enderby fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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Lutha Mahtin posted:ya seriously, whats this big gay miracle People guessed right: the attempt to disinter him and move his remains (but not those of his beloved) in preparation for his beatification, only to find that both had decomposed to nothing and thus, according to canon law, could not be legitimately moved.
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Bel_Canto posted:People guessed right: the attempt to disinter him and move his remains (but not those of his beloved) in preparation for his beatification, only to find that both had decomposed to nothing and thus, according to canon law, could not be legitimately moved. uh what
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Basically in his will, he insisted that he be buried alongside Fr. Ambrose St. John, the man with whom he lived for 32 years until St. John died. When Newman was to be beatified, the Catholic Church prepared to move his remains to the Birmingham Oratory, which he had founded. They notably did NOT include plans to move St. John's body, and when pressed on it, ecclesiastical authorities admitted that they planned to move only the one, in direct violation of the Cardinal's will. Their reluctance to do so was almost certainly due to the fact that Newman and St. John were, in the light of modern knowledge of such relationships, very likely two gay men in love with one another (though, it should be stressed, both chaste in accordance with their vows, as far as anyone can tell). Needless to say, a public monument involving two men who were each other's lifelong love did not sit well, so they went ahead and tried to dig up Newman, only to find that his coffin, and both of their bodies and clothes, had completely disintegrated. I consider this a miraculous intervention on Newman's part to prevent himself and his beloved from being separated for the sake of public relations.
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The procedural t-shirt generation algorithm strikes gold: http://www.idakoos.com/calvinist-by-choice,929927
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shame on an IGA posted:The procedural t-shirt generation algorithm strikes gold: I'll take 10.
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Bel_Canto posted:Basically in his will, he insisted that he be buried alongside Fr. Ambrose St. John, the man with whom he lived for 32 years until St. John died. When Newman was to be beatified, the Catholic Church prepared to move his remains to the Birmingham Oratory, which he had founded. They notably did NOT include plans to move St. John's body, and when pressed on it, ecclesiastical authorities admitted that they planned to move only the one, in direct violation of the Cardinal's will. Their reluctance to do so was almost certainly due to the fact that Newman and St. John were, in the light of modern knowledge of such relationships, very likely two gay men in love with one another (though, it should be stressed, both chaste in accordance with their vows, as far as anyone can tell). Needless to say, a public monument involving two men who were each other's lifelong love did not sit well, so they went ahead and tried to dig up Newman, only to find that his coffin, and both of their bodies and clothes, had completely disintegrated. I consider this a miraculous intervention on Newman's part to prevent himself and his beloved from being separated for the sake of public relations. this owns super hard lol thank u for explaining to this dumb heretic also i keep thinking about visiting the anglican church right near my house
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Lutha Mahtin posted:this owns super hard lol thank u for explaining to this dumb heretic I've said it before and admittedly it's a bit flippant, but there really isn't much substantive difference between mainstream Protestant denominations in America (Anglicans, Methodists, Lutherans, etc) You should totally check out your local Anglican church, for everyday worship it's basically the same as ELCA Lutherans but with fancier ritual.
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Pellisworth posted:I've said it before and admittedly it's a bit flippant, but there really isn't much substantive difference between mainstream Protestant denominations in America (Anglicans, Methodists, Lutherans, etc) nah buddy i'm hip to that jazz. i grew up ELCA but i know we gots full communion with like literally millions of other peeprishioners. and the thing is the ELCA is very loose and supportive with how low or high your church is. i've gone to services that have the ol' triangle-ringing upon the blessing of the meal, and i've been to services where the pastor is a hipster dude in a jeans and t-shirt and all the wine is unfermented although yes, i'm really curious about a more smells-n-bells experience. and i am curious about getting more into saints. i did actually go into the sanctuary of this episcopal church, spoiler alert. it was the wednesday after the election and they had a blackboard outside the door saying "oh hey you can come in and pray and stuff" and i was walking by there so i thought alright don't mind if i do. i go in and i see there is nobody else in the pews so alright, whatevs buddy, gonna sit in a pew and have a think for a bit. then my mind begins coalescing upon the fact that i have been hearing the same sound since before i entered the building. and it continues. then the fun part begins eeeeeeeEEEEEeeeEEEEEeeE "NEXT" EEEEEEeeeeEEEEEe "NEXT" eeEeeeEeeEEeEeeEeEeEeEEEEEE "NEXT!!!!" they were tuning the organ. very peaceful imo
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For a milquetoast culture-protestant nation, we danes take our christian history seriously. poo poo seriously.
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...why was it in a bottle
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Nov 18, 2016 11:27
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doctors probably analyzing his poo poo
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Nov 18, 2016 11:54
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Lutha Mahtin posted:and i am curious about getting more into saints
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Nov 18, 2016 12:44
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HEY GAL posted:for a first step, you can look up your name, figure out which saint you were named after, and read their hagiography. or the patron saint of your profession/something to do with your life history well OF COURSE I was named for the loving tax collector, patron saint of bankers 
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HEY GAL posted:for a first step, you can look up your name, figure out which saint you were named after, and read their hagiography. or the patron saint of your profession/something to do with your life history Of course I'm named for one of those saints that were struck from the calendar for being made up 
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i'm named for a christian martyr who died strapped to another woman martyr, so i can only assume she'd be the patron saint of bdsm if it weren't for the fact they were apparently both virgins and it feels bad making a joke like that when part of why they were martyred is because they refused to be sent to a brothel. sex positivity requires consent after all and i doubt they'd consent to that joke also i named myself for my favorite singer songwriter so i don't really care about this that much
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I was named for a terrible violinist,, and the saint my grandma decided would be my patron saint has no cool patronages other than of the diocese he founded  At least I could theoretically go to France and look at his head there, that's pretty cool
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Nov 18, 2016 14:43
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stop posting things that lead to your real names in this thread people, tias i am looking at you
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The Patriarchate of Alexandria just restored the female diaconate! (link in Greek)Translation from elsewhere, sadly I don't speak a lick of Greek posted:On November 16 the Synod of aboriginal Patriarchate of Alexandria and All Africa continued its work under the chairmanship of His Beatitude Pope and Patriarch of Alexandria and All Africa, Theodore Vstin Patriarchal Seat. So yeah, that's super vague. Excited to see what they make of it! e: in a comment section discussing this I was also referred to some remnants of the female diaconate that possibly, maybe have survived in the Carthusian order? The website of the Carthusians posted:After her solemn profession or perpetual donation, the nun can, if she wishes, receive the Consecration of Virgins. This is a special rite where the Bishop gives the nun not only the veil and ring, external signs of an indissoluble union with the divine Spouse, but also the stole. This confers on the recipient certain liturgical privileges the most significant of them being the proclaiming of the Gospel on certain occasions. System Metternich fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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System Metternich posted:The Patriarchate of Alexandria just restored the female diaconate! (link in Greek) Wait till you hear about Abbesses like St. Hildegard von Bingen, using the miter and crozier and having jurisdiction over men!
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Tias posted:well OF COURSE I was named for the loving tax collector, patron saint of bankers
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Nov 18, 2016 16:29
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or pray to san romero for revolucion
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HEY GAL posted:for a first step, you can look up your name, figure out which saint you were named after, and read their hagiography. or the patron saint of your profession/something to do with your life history i was named after a character in the hebrew scriptures  but i will look into what saints there are for computermans and direct support staffs
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Lutha Mahtin posted:i was named after a character in the hebrew scriptures quote:but i will look into what saints there are for computermans and direct support staffs
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Lutha Mahtin posted:i was named after a character in the hebrew scriptures So was I. For being a gentile I actually sound pretty Jewish. It's something my boss and I connect on sometimes, she has a Hebrew first name and Polish last name. 100% gentile.
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Lutha Mahtin posted:i was named after a character in the hebrew scriptures St. Bonaventure is the patron saint of bowel problems. I think that's relevant to these forums at least. Pray for us, o holy St. Bonaventure, that the ever-flowing diarrhea of shitposts may be uncharitable in character and humorous in nature. Glory be to GBS, and to FYAD, and to BYOB. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. Shitposts without end. Amen.
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HEY GAL posted:stop posting things that lead to your real names in this thread people, tias i am looking at you i'm just straight-up named after an archangel... just like every other boy born in the year i was in an English-speaking country
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The Phlegmatist posted:St. Bonaventure is the patron saint of bowel problems. I think that's relevant to these forums at least. "rejoice, child of god, as saint bonaventure has clearly interceded on behalf of your posting" this is what you were trying to say to me, right? heh
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HEY GAL posted:
I've always liked St. Lucy as patron of the Internet she tore her eyes out
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StashAugustine posted:I've always liked St. Lucy as patron of the Internet ed: st. goatse
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I was named after a Viking scam artist  My Hebrew name is from one of the last Old Testament prophets.
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HEY GAL posted:
Can't find the patron saint of wedding rings
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It just so happens the saint I share a name with is also pretty much the patron saint of my profession / academic field. It's an interesting coincidence (or is it  ) since it's really unusual and unlikely for me to end up studying what I do, given where I grew up.
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StashAugustine posted:Can't find the patron saint of wedding rings Wham
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TIL Andy Warhol was a practicing Eastern Catholic. https://homodoxconfessions.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/bl-andrew-warhola-fool-for-christ/ quote:Although Andy was perceived—with some justice—as a passive observer who never imposed his beliefs on other people, he could on occasion be an effective proselytizer. To my certain knowledge, he was responsible for at least one conversion. He took considerable pride in financing a nephew’s studies for the priesthood. And as you have doubtless read on your Mass cards, he regularly helped out at a shelter serving meals to the homeless and the hungry. Trust Andy to have kept these activities very, very dark.
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Bolocko posted:...he regularly helped out at a shelter serving meals to the homeless and the hungry. Trust Andy to have kept these activities very, very dark. 
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Bolocko posted:TIL Andy Warhol was a practicing Eastern Catholic. HEY GAL posted:This is exactly what Jesus tells us to do!  Srsly that's pretty cool.
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goon project: everyone itt do something cool, but keep it secret
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There is no (recognized) Saint of my name. 
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HEY GAL posted:This is exactly what Jesus tells us to do! and yet you don't like it when priests ask why the poor don't have food....
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