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San Junipero made my bi girlfriend cry harder than I've ever seen her cry.
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I am binge-watching this show in between refreshing election results so that whatever happens, it won't seem so bad compared to my television show.
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Nov 8, 2016 23:56
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Ha ha. I'm on the Waldo episode now. Everything is fine. I'm fine. I love this show, and elections. Haha. Hahaha. 
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Nov 9, 2016 05:18
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Bicyclops posted:Ha ha. I'm on the Waldo episode now. Everything is fine. I'm fine. I love this show, and elections. Haha. Hahaha. I saw 1 new post in this thread and I knew right away it would be something like this hahah ha ha ha ha 
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Nov 9, 2016 05:40
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Hey, that's two out of 12, now we just need to now if the true ending to the Brooker prophecy is gay grandma good feels or holocaust 2.0
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Nov 9, 2016 06:08
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remember when people said the end of waldo was too absurd
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Nov 9, 2016 09:32
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Dias posted:Hey, that's two out of 12, now we just need to now if the true ending to the Brooker prophecy is gay grandma good feels or holocaust 2.0 Three if you count Google Glass being announced the day after Entire History of You aired.
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Nov 9, 2016 10:05
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Dias posted:Hey, that's two out of 12, now we just need to now if the true ending to the Brooker prophecy is gay grandma good feels or holocaust 2.0 Gay grandmas will be illegal in Trumps America, so it's definitely holocaust 2.0.
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Nov 9, 2016 14:43
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But Waldo didn't win
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Nov 10, 2016 01:36
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Zenithe posted:But Waldo didn't win Neither did Trump! Too bad the popular vote literally doesn't mean anything in this country.
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Nov 10, 2016 02:02
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Zenithe posted:But Waldo didn't win In the U.K. Then they took it to America and it worked gangbusters
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Nov 10, 2016 13:37
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Bloody American remakes.
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Nov 11, 2016 00:16
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I've just started watching this. 15 million merits is some of the best TV sci fi I've ever seen, but man am I depressed now. Good job, Charlie and Konnie.
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Nov 11, 2016 19:32
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Finally wrapped up the season: What if the holocaust but too much: Eh. Not terrible by any means but I got the 'twist' about three minutes in it was all a bit thin, really. I did like that they were weeding out genetic imperfections rather than committing genocide based on race etc. Other than that it was a bit sixth form-y. What if Benedict Wong but not enough: After the lukewarm/terrible reaction I've seen for this one I was pleasantly surprised. The writing in the first 45 minutes or so wasn't amazing. A few too many "explain something using real technological terms then explain it again but simplified for the audience" scenes and it all came off pretty Shyamalan-y. The actual twist of "the real plan all along" actually got me though. It reminded me a lot of the villain's motivation/plan in The National Anthem but on a bigger scale. I liked it.  e: Also the last shot reminded me of Silence of the Lambs. I'm ok with that. 346152 stev fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Nov 12, 2016 23:35
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jeeves posted:This probably been discussed before, but I think I have a minority opinion that I think San Junipero would have been vastly better if it had ended right before the credits. This is not a bug, it's a feature. The data center ending was perfect to me because their reunion is so sickly-sweet and rom-com, until this "reveal" of a gross corporate data center. It should distract you, because the chorus of "Heaven is a Place on Earth" is totally undermined by the mundane reality of it. What was presented as some ascendant utopia is a corporate product, slathered in logos, where these two people exist as serial numbers in anonymous racks of computers. Their afterlife is a literal Apple product. It's bleak as hell, but so candy-colored that the dissonance is uncomfortable. It's way more impactful for me when Black Mirror hits these uncomfortable and ambiguous notes (which "15 Million Merits," or "Be Right Back" manage to do.) The intensely bleak endings, like "Playtest," are less likely to do that for me, because I'm left feeling that it serves Brooker's artistic sadism more than it does some specific insight or commentary. I especially feel that way about "White Christmas." The stories both men tell already do a great job at demonstrating some horrible consequence of the tech they encounter, but then the ending ties everything together in this nihilist bow. "What if police could simulate a suspect's brain and torture them for millennia in VR?" Sure, I suppose. "Jon Hamm can go free, but he can't interact with another human ever again because cyber-eyes." I guess? It's perfectly plausible for the setting, but you can practically feel the screenplay go, "ok, how do I Black Mirror this motherfucker up?"
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Nov 15, 2016 02:15
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Xealot posted:This is not a bug, it's a feature. The data center ending was perfect to me because their reunion is so sickly-sweet and rom-com, until this "reveal" of a gross corporate data center. It should distract you, because the chorus of "Heaven is a Place on Earth" is totally undermined by the mundane reality of it. What was presented as some ascendant utopia is a corporate product, slathered in logos, where these two people exist as serial numbers in anonymous racks of computers. Their afterlife is a literal Apple product. It's bleak as hell, but so candy-colored that the dissonance is uncomfortable.
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Nov 15, 2016 04:11
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A company has a fully immersive VR game called San Junipero, which you can only play for five hours a week. They offer a proposition that "when you die, we'll make a program out of your consciousness and put you in San Junipero forever." Two women are so entranced with their experience in the VR game that they commit suicide.
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Nov 15, 2016 05:49
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Aardark posted:Well that sure is one interpretation, but I don't get what's supposed to be bleak as hell about it. Unless you just really hate corporations and think anything done by corporations is inherently bad. It's not bleak, but it shows you how the sausage is made. It's all PCs storing minds/consciousness copies, and it's a super mechanical thing that one day might just end.
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Nov 15, 2016 06:04
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Dias posted:It's all PCs storing minds/consciousness copies, and it's a super mechanical thing that one day might just end. I agree with the people who are struggling to see what's so bad about this. To me it's like saying ''You just live in a city, a super architectural thing that one day might just end'. Well yeah, of course things are physical objects and might end, but a matrix world where dying people can go instead of dying is p clearly an improvement on people just dropping dead. (Before anyone say's it, it isn't just a copy of them that lives forever, unless you think every time you go to sleep and wake up you are dying and a new copy of you is being created. We can clearly see this from how they can enter SJ while alive and then return)
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Nov 15, 2016 07:49
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cosmically_cosmic posted:Well yeah, of course things are physical objects and might end, but a matrix world where dying people can go instead of dying is p clearly an improvement on people just dropping dead. My issue isn't the impermanence of it, but rather the proprietary nature of it. I don't inherently think corporations are bad, but this isn't as innocuous as choosing Coke vs. Pepsi...this is people giving their identities and memories, implicitly their "souls" to the extent that means anything, to a corporation for what amounts to an extended resort stay. It's eternal life everlasting, brought to you by Google™. Perhaps "bleak as hell" is an unfair characterization, but you have to admit it's weird that this cosmically-significant technology is pretty much just the product of a for-profit company, where customers endure beyond the veil of death but mostly spend their time jamming out to the Top 40 of their youth in a closed-system replica of Santa Barbara. I'm convinced the end reveal of the data center is intended to evoke that discomfort. It's not strictly a "happy ending." Perhaps not "bleak as hell," but pretty bleak by implication.
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Nov 16, 2016 04:20
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The fact that Yorkie has even a chance at any kind of life or happiness at all, even if it has a chance of going sideways, is in my opinion an unmitigated triumph regardless if someone is making money on it.
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Nov 16, 2016 04:24
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I didn't find it bleak at all. Just a little unsettling but it's overwhelmingly a positive ending.
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Nov 16, 2016 08:28
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Dias posted:Gay Grandmas Cybering should be the new title for the thread, really. Also Lol this show made you guys sad, try having crippling depression 
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Nov 16, 2016 16:25
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Designing the robot bees from the final episode so that they can drill into peoples' brains instead of just gathering honey seems like a serious design oversight.
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Nov 16, 2016 23:09
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cosmically_cosmic posted:every time you go to sleep and wake up you are dying and a new copy of you is being created This is literally true though.
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Nov 16, 2016 23:33
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precision posted:This is literally true though. Then I feel ripped off that I've never woken up as a horsecocked, kilos of cocaine owning copy of myself
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Nov 16, 2016 23:53
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savinhill posted:Then I feel ripped off that I've never woken up as a horsecocked, kilos of cocaine owning copy of myself You have, but you don't know it because the only memories "you" can access are the ones in your current brain. This is also why it's impossible to remember falling asleep unless you transition directly into a lucid dream.
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Nov 16, 2016 23:57
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precision posted:This is literally true though. Definitely no more or less provable than any other theory on consciousness. The "cookie" technology from the "White Christmas" episode is essentially the same, and that episode makes it explicit that this is "a copy" of that person since the original is still around. So, just because "San Junipero" doesn't explore the implication that these women committed suicide, that's a fair read into what happened.
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Nov 17, 2016 00:04
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Show is bad because its very anti-technology and also because its obvious what the 'twist' is going to be.
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Nov 17, 2016 01:02
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precision posted:This is literally true though. i've seen a video of me sleeping and i was not destroyed and replaced with an identical copy with the same memories. or perhaps the video memory was faked into one of the copies...
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Nov 17, 2016 01:30
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Designing the robot bees from the final episode so that they can drill into peoples' brains instead of just gathering honey seems like a serious design oversight. They have the ability to build mechanical "hives" that produce more robobees which would necessarily entail being able to gather and break down the metallic components of their own construction, chewing through bone and brain tissue is probably a cinch. Also the brain technology in San Junipero works however the gently caress the story states or implies it works, stop overthinking things you tremendous turbospergs.
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Nov 17, 2016 03:24
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San Junipero is just the tech from White Christmas, but in a non-horrifying way
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Nov 17, 2016 14:11
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McSpanky posted:Also the brain technology in San Junipero works however the gently caress the story states or implies it works, stop overthinking things you tremendous turbospergs. "Stop overthinking things while watching Black Mirror, a show literally designed to raise sobering questions about our relationships to technology and society."
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Nov 17, 2016 22:42
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e. probably shouldn't link a twitter video, it's on the Black Mirror twitter though As if Black Mirror characters weren't miserable enough, they are now binge watching Black Mirror (available now on Netflix!) Zenithe fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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Nov 19, 2016 01:12
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Zenithe posted:e. probably shouldn't link a twitter video, it's on the Black Mirror twitter though #deathto black mirror
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Nov 19, 2016 01:51
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Holy poo poo, I didn't realize that Blue from Hated In The Nation is The Waif from Game of Thrones, the assassin apprentice who beat Arya with a stick all the time. I knew those eyes looked familiar.
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Nov 19, 2016 05:18
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Zwabu posted:Holy poo poo, I didn't realize that Blue from Hated In The Nation is The Waif from Game of Thrones, the assassin apprentice who beat Arya with a stick all the time. I knew those eyes looked familiar. It blew my mind when I learned that. They made her look so much younger in GoT.
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Nov 19, 2016 05:39
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It was nice knowing you.
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Nov 19, 2016 06:57
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Xealot posted:"Stop overthinking things while watching Black Mirror, a show literally designed to raise sobering questions about our relationships to technology and society." Yes, trying to be smarter than the story and say "no, this technology that doesn't exist and we can't possibly predict how it would function, could not in fact function the way it is postulated here for dramatic effect" is exactly that, goober. All of the objections raised in this vein are egotistic nitpicking that aren't questioning poo poo about our relationships with technology and society. McSpanky fucked around with this message at 11:29 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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McSpanky posted:Yes, trying to be smarter than the story and say "no, this technology that doesn't exist and we can't possibly predict how it would function, could not in fact function the way it is postulated here for dramatic effect" is exactly that, goober. All of the objections raised in this vein are egotistic nitpicking that aren't questioning poo poo about our relationships with technology and society. lol goober
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