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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hamilton really is going to be the defining work of art of the Obama presidency isn't it if so then his legacy deserves to be erased
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twistedmentat posted:The first time he has to go up against the White House Press Corps and actually have to answer real, hard questions is going to be amazing. You have a different view of the White House Press Corps than I do because I am pretty sure this isn't going to happen.
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Nov 19, 2016 21:22
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JeffersonClay posted:Meet your new secretary of education, Michelle Rhee. Secretary of Education is kind of a nothing position and Michelle Rhee would be an easy optics win. Then again Trump is leery of appointing non-whites to anything because he's worried it would be seen as pandering.
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Nov 19, 2016 21:22
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Hollismason posted:You have a different view of the White House Press Corps than I do because I am pretty sure this isn't going to happen. Yeah like the idea that it's going to exist after Jan 20.
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Nov 19, 2016 21:26
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Confounding Factor posted:I always found it strange anyone was expecting Obama to be this harbinger of radical change. Did you really think he would establish communism here? I have no doubt there are leftists who think Obama was a failure, but what could he do? Stick to his campaign promises? Look at the team that led his campaign, then look at the staff he brought in once he won. There was a distinct shift in tone and content from campaign Obama to President Obama.
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Nov 19, 2016 21:29
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The Oldest Man posted:Yeah like the idea that it's going to exist after Jan 20. It'll literally just be Steve Bannon with various bad disguises.
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Republicans posted:Secretary of Education is kind of a nothing position and Michelle Rhee would be an easy optics win. This would allow him to say he's bipartisan and not racist or sexist. All in one person!
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Nov 19, 2016 21:31
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Republicans posted:It'll literally just be Steve Bannon with various bad disguises. 
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Nov 19, 2016 21:32
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Hollismason posted:You have a different view of the White House Press Corps than I do because I am pretty sure this isn't going to happen. So the press corps is completely filled with spineless sycophants and alt-right nutjobs now?
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Shifty Pony posted:He will just do to the press corps what he did at the convention and set up an assigned seating arrangement with his sycophants front and center. The White House Correspondents Association is responsible for determining assigned seating in the briefing room, not the administration.
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Nov 19, 2016 21:33
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Republicans posted:Secretary of Education is kind of a nothing position and Michelle Rhee would be an easy optics win. If Sessions was a signal about trump's intentions regarding Muslims and immigration, Michelle Rhee is a signal about charter schools and public sector unions. There's quite a lot Trump could do at the federal level to gently caress with public school funding.
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JeffersonClay posted:Meet your new secretary of education, Michelle Rhee. oh good a trump cabinet pick at least half the democratic party can get behind
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JehovahsWetness posted:The White House Correspondents Association is responsible for determining assigned seating in the briefing room, not the administration. Is currently responsible you mean.
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Nov 19, 2016 21:36
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twistedmentat posted:So the press corps is completely filled with spineless sycophants and alt-right nutjobs now? Haven't you been paying attention to the thread? Literally the entire city of Washington D.C., nay, the entire country is completely and totally ruled by unchecked Nazis who are going to be herding people into gas chambers come January 21st. This is a rational position and definitely not at all FEMA camp death panels in reverse.
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JeffersonClay posted:Meet your new secretary of education, Michelle Rhee. It is good to see the sociopaths out in the open.
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Fojar38 posted:Haven't you been paying attention to the thread? Literally the entire city of Washington D.C., nay, the entire country is completely and totally ruled by unchecked Nazis who are going to be herding people into gas chambers come January 21st. This is a rational position and definitely not at all FEMA camp death panels in reverse. Right. But the difference here is that Obama never actually said he would do things like what Trump says he has done.
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Is there any actual way to hold Trump accountable for any of the catastrophically destabilizing madness he's enacting on the Executive? The media won't do it, the military (hopefully) won't do it. The judiciary are a joke. the house and senate are piss factories but they might be our only hope? God, I am not the kind of guy who normally considers expatriating, but right now I am actually getting terrified. He's loving around with the order of the strongest nuclear military force in the history of mankind like a child who got on his dad's computer and started randomly clicking.
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JeffersonClay posted:If Sessions was a signal about trump's intentions regarding Muslims and immigration, Michelle Rhee is a signal about charter schools and public sector unions. There's quite a lot Trump could do at the federal level to gently caress with public school funding. This - hope you like sending your kids to Towne Square Centre Academy or whatever poo poo name they want to call it. Hope you like finding out that they went bankrupt a month into the school year and you've got to go through the application process and tuition fees to get them into another Academy At Towne Square (conveniently located in the Shoppes at Towne Square strip mall) before they fall too far behind and get summarily "released" by the Academy. Charter schools are a special kind of hell and it's part of why some people were unreasonably gleeful to see Jeb! get humiliated over and over.
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I don't think his supporters will respond with disappointment. Maybe a few, but the most will see him as standing up to these liberal, PC thugs. He's strong when he gets people to capitulate to him, he's strong when he points out how protestors are paid for actors, he's strong when he says Hamilton should apologize for their egregious comment to the president-elect. The common sense sort of voter who supported Obama and now Trump are not going to hear about these twitter outbursts or care about them. His hardcore supporters will support him no matter what. The exception, I think, would be when he says another country's going to do one thing and then they proceed to undermine him entirely. He's already been played a fool by Ford (or fooled himself), but nobody will care about that.
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Inglonias posted:Right. But the difference here is that Obama never actually said he would do things like what Trump says he has done. To be fair, he hasn't said he will do any worse than blocking Muslims from entering the country. Saying he will put them in camps or have them shot is just extrapolation from history. Probably won't happen in the near future but isnt violating the US constitutional principle of religious freedom just a little bit worrying?
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Rexicon1 posted:Is there any actual way to hold Trump accountable for any of the catastrophically destabilizing madness he's enacting on the Executive? The media won't do it, the military (hopefully) won't do it. The judiciary are a joke. the house and senate are piss factories but they might be our only hope? God, I am not the kind of guy who normally considers expatriating, but right now I am actually getting terrified. He's loving around with the order of the strongest nuclear military force in the history of mankind like a child who got on his dad's computer and started randomly clicking. This is a really bizarre way to frame the question. "Assuming nobody holds Trump accountable, how will he be held accountable?"
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Quorum posted:e: ironically I would expect to see an intelligence services coup before a military one; the intelligence services don't have the same line about civilian oversight drilled into them, and have operated above the law in a lot of ways for a while. But that's not to say I expect to see an intelligence services coup at all. I've been wondering this considering that NSA and the USIC know that Trump's been the beneficiary of the Russian hacks against the DNC and other attempts to subvert the election. How do you respond when the President-elect was aided into power by "enemies, foreign and domestic"? As well as Michael Flynn's shady loving dealings with Russia and Turkey and his blindered worldview, the whole "Flynn facts" at the DIA. Supposedly, reason why Flynn is not SecDef is pushback from the military. Mustached Demon posted:You act like every single human on this planet wouldn't do the same for themselves and family. No poo poo. I have friends willing to give Elon Musk money to get on his Mars mission.
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BarbarianElephant posted:To be fair, he hasn't said he will do any worse than blocking Muslims from entering the country. Saying he will put them in camps or have them shot is just extrapolation from history. Probably won't happen in the near future but isnt violating the US constitutional principle of religious freedom just a little bit worrying? Which is why it wouldn't survive a 1st Amendment challenge. Even the most conservative justices would balk at something so flagrantly unconstitutional.
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Young Freud posted:I've been wondering this considering that NSA and the USIC know that Trump's been the beneficiary of the Russian hacks against the DNC and other attempts to subvert the election. How do you respond when the President-elect was aided into power by "enemies, foreign and domestic"? As well as Michael Flynn's shady loving dealings with Russia and Turkey and his blindered worldview, the whole "Flynn facts" at the DIA. Supposedly, reason why Flynn is not SecDef is pushback from the military. There's a way to fire the president without a coup. It's called impeachment.
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HorseRenoir posted:The truth is that Trump legit believes that getting booed at in a theater is just as bad, if not worse, than having to pay out millions to settle a fraud case. And I'd say that stuff like the Hamilton thing is way more damaging to him than any reports of corruption. Trump's entire appeal is being the powerful bully that his supporters can live vicariously though, and being a whiny bitch on Twitter over the tiniest things damages the strongman image he's trying to cultivate and sell to the American people. We live in a post-facts world and image is everything, needling him like this for four years would do way more damage to his image and psyche than any investigative journalism would.
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Young Freud posted:I've been wondering this considering that NSA and the USIC know that Trump's been the beneficiary of the Russian hacks against the DNC and other attempts to subvert the election. How do you respond when the President-elect was aided into power by "enemies, foreign and domestic"? As well as Michael Flynn's shady loving dealings with Russia and Turkey and his blindered worldview, the whole "Flynn facts" at the DIA. Supposedly, reason why Flynn is not SecDef is pushback from the military. Remember that the FBI was all in on using a book published by Steve Bannon as "evidence" so I have a feeling they don't care.
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Rexicon1 posted:Is there any actual way to hold Trump accountable for any of the catastrophically destabilizing madness he's enacting on the Executive? The media won't do it, the military (hopefully) won't do it. The judiciary are a joke. the house and senate are piss factories but they might be our only hope? God, I am not the kind of guy who normally considers expatriating, but right now I am actually getting terrified. He's loving around with the order of the strongest nuclear military force in the history of mankind like a child who got on his dad's computer and started randomly clicking. In terms of hard checks on the power of the presidency, the only two are impeachment and judicial review. The former probably isn't going to happen, though unlike every other modern presidency I won't 100% rule it out. The other definitely is a thing; even the most conservative hack has some things they'll rule unconstitutional, so it's not like Donnie boy can pack the courts with people who will award him unlimited power, even though he definitely plans to weaken the power of the courts to oppose him. There are other checks-- he's clearly very sensitive to public opinion, but is well-insulated from it so long as he has a strong core of rabid supporters and that isn't ever going to change most likely. And the media has thus far demonstrated no ability to hold him accountable, though that might change once they no longer have a ready-made just so story about Both Candidates Are So Bad And Also Emails?
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Rexicon1 posted:Is there any actual way to hold Trump accountable for any of the catastrophically destabilizing madness he's enacting on the Executive? sure, but assuming you're successful you're looking at a long stay at usp terre haute
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Carlosologist posted:The privatization of public education is coming soon. And just as I'm about to finish my teaching degree
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Carlosologist posted:The privatization of public education is coming soon. And just as I'm about to finish my teaching degree Hope you like being a wage slave with zero benefit. I take solace in Medicare and Social security also getting privatized and their beneficiaries equally hosed.
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Fojar38 posted:There's a way to fire the president without a coup. It's called impeachment. A coup is probably the least concern, but not out of the realm of possibility. Following James Clapper, I'm wondering if there's going to be a mass resignation once Trump gets into office which guts the Intelligence Community or it just leaks like a sieve for his entire term.
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JeffersonClay posted:Meet your new secretary of education, Michelle Rhee. The only question I really have about her is she a creationist? We're going to go balls out on full charter school voucher madness no matter what.
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Carlosologist posted:The privatization of public education is coming soon. And just as I'm about to finish my teaching degree No worries, just apply for a position at Walmart now, so you'll be in prime position to transition into their education emporiums (opening March of 2019).
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Mustached Demon posted:
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the black husserl posted:I agree in principal but it's gonna take more than just a musical needling him to win this culture war. Too many spineless idiots are willing to instantly dislike whatever Trump criticizes rather than actually look at how he's behaving. Head over to the GBS thread, it's like a terrible joke factory pumping out garbage posts trying to drag Hamilton and call musicals gay. Created instantly after the incident occurred. Where's the thread mocking how stupidly thin-skinned and quick to anger our supposed Fearless Leader is showing himself to be? Obviously one thing doesn't mean much. But it's less about individual instances and more of a death by a thousand cuts thing. If you can make him look like a baby over something as minor as his running mate getting booed at a Broadway musical at the height of his post-election honeymoon period, what else can you troll him with, and at what frequency? It's not really about the needling itself, it's about the public reaction he has to it and the effects it will have over his psyche and public reputation if it happens over and over again for the next four years. Quorum posted:There are other checks-- he's clearly very sensitive to public opinion, but is well-insulated from it so long as he has a strong core of rabid supporters and that isn't ever going to change most likely. And the media has thus far demonstrated no ability to hold him accountable, though that might change once they no longer have a ready-made just so story about Both Candidates Are So Bad And Also Emails? If his campaign is any indication, Trump will be obsessively watching cable news and treat his public approval numbers like TV ratings. I think he'll start to get really unpredictable and start to do drastic things if they get too low.
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N. Senada posted:What would the optics be for a Democrat who is offered a position in the new administration to publicly reject it? That's why trump might pick a terrible loser with zero prospects like Michelle Rhee.
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Spoondick posted:I have a feeling Trump is going to sucker-punch Ryan. Ryan's going to get up a good lather of conservative bills though congress, and when they land on Trump's desk he'll play the populist and tell the American people he's standing up for them and refuse to sign when they try to axe Medicare or whatever. At least on really unpopular stuff, the smaller things are likely to slide. One of the things that gives me a modicum of hope is Trump i don't think really cares whether he burns the entire Republican Party to the ground. As long as it serves him
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