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The worst part about Trump and the Republican congress is that they WON"T go full nazi. They will pussy foot around it so that the public will never be roused to full rebellion. Welcome to a soft tyranny that the moderates will nervously justify for 8 years.
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FuturePastNow posted:Trump isn't going to give a single press conference as president. Lots of speeches and rallies, but he's never going to take questions from the press corps. This is the most likely. We here in Canada had a Prime Minister who managed to avoid anyone but friendly media for a full decade. Though seeing the media get salty after they gave Trump pretty much a free ride during the election when he turns on them will be interesting. This is why I am convinced they'll be leaping on any scandal story involving Trump and his crew. Trump is ratings, and if they can't get him saying silly and infuriating things, they'll find people who will say them about Trump. He'll have addresses complaining about SNL Skits that are critical of him.
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Nov 20, 2016 00:32
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Fojar38 posted:As an informed voter, I'm going to vote for the guy who said he's going to do the opposite of what I want him to do under the assumption that he was just kidding. I'm literally Frieda Lockaby of Kentucky. I keep seeing this phenomenon and it drives me insane. I just wish that these kinds of people being complete dumbasses didn't affect others besides themselves. Added bonus in that interview is the heavy 'gently caress You, Got Mine' of her trying to claim that she's 'one of the good ones' or whatever while others on the program are moochers.
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Nov 20, 2016 00:32
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Fojar38 posted:Also daily reminder that Trump lost the popular vote and is going to enter office with sub-40 approval ratings. I grew up in the Bush years, so I don't know how this actually affects things.
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Nov 20, 2016 00:34
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:The worst part about Trump and the Republican congress is that they WON"T go full nazi. They will pussy foot around it so that the public will never be roused to full rebellion. Welcome to a soft tyranny that the moderates will nervously justify for 8 years. Ding ding. The people writing fanfic in this thread about Trump putting Muslims in boxcars are wasting time. Trump will be restrained because it is good for him and the Republican party, not because they are actually nervous about it.
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Nov 20, 2016 00:35
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Fojar38 posted:You're overestimating the reach of Breitbart and Drudge. If Trump does that he's conceding control of the narrative to the establishment and mainstream media. what 'narrative' does the mainstream and establishment have when, again, his supporters believe they are complete, absolute frauds that spew nothing but lies constantly. There's no 'conceding control' of the narrative if the media has no power, it's literally just Trump and the Media pointing at each other and going 'No that guy's a liar.' because the facts the media has aren't considered real. Guess who wins that fight. Spoilers it's Trump.
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Nov 20, 2016 00:35
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FlamingLiberal posted:She voted for two people assuming they would both do the opposite of what they pledged. So these idiots got fooled by Bevin last year and again by Trump this year. People like her are what worries me most about the future. The Trump coalition is literally willing to die or go bankrupt from treatable medical illness for their orthodoxy. It's not like she is certain they are empty campaign promises, she's hoping they are but it's a backseat priority to stopping "political correctness".
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I will admit it's hilarious to see how many people actually clicked the link versus those who didn't and those who also didn't look five goddamn posts down from the initial post to see that what Trotsky quoted isn't actually in the goddamn article.
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Stallion Cabana posted:what 'narrative' does the mainstream and establishment have when, again, his supporters believe they are complete, absolute frauds that spew nothing but lies constantly. There's no 'conceding control' of the narrative if the media has no power, it's literally just Trump and the Media pointing at each other and going 'No that guy's a liar.' because the facts the media has aren't considered real. The people for whom Trump is fuhrer aren't the ones who put him in the white house.
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Nov 20, 2016 00:37
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Ding ding. So is "Trump deports Muslims and Undocumented Immigrants into private prison systems indefinitely where they perform labor for the resurgence of the heartland planter aristocracy" the correct level of pragmatic tyranny here or are we still off base?
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Angry_Ed posted:I will admit it's hilarious to see how many people actually clicked the link versus those who didn't and those who also didn't look five goddamn posts down from the initial post to see that what Trotsky quoted isn't actually in the goddamn article. The most obvious clue is that he didn't link to the article in question. Also, it's riddled with typos.
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:The worst part about Trump and the Republican congress is that they WON"T go full nazi. They will pussy foot around it so that the public will never be roused to full rebellion. Welcome to a soft tyranny that the moderates will nervously justify for 8 years. on the other hand it's a good opportunity to give america an innoculation against authoritatianism, since fortunately the virus is attenuated by incompetence and inexperience
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Pollyanna posted:The most obvious clue is that he didn't link to the article in question. Also, it's riddled with typos. Ah right, forgot the link was posted by the poster who called it out.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Ding ding.
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Angry_Ed posted:I will admit it's hilarious to see how many people actually clicked the link versus those who didn't and those who also didn't look five goddamn posts down from the initial post to see that what Trotsky quoted isn't actually in the goddamn article. I admit, I got fooled. To be fair though, I'm pretty sure I've seen similar statements in actual interviews from other like, Rick Scott or that fuckwit from Wisconsin's name is voters.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:So is "Trump deports Muslims and Undocumented Immigrants into private prison systems indefinitely where they perform labor for the resurgence of the heartland planter aristocracy" the correct level of pragmatic tyranny here or are we still off base? I would bet all my money that Trump's deportation figures are calculated the same way Obama's are. They include people turned away at the border as "deportations" and they will never follow through with his promise to send squads roaming from business to business and house to house looking for people.
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Nov 20, 2016 00:41
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zxqv8 posted:I admit, I got fooled. Oh the sentiment is for real, no doubt. It's just not actually stated outright. People aren't dumb enough to say they're dumb.
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Nov 20, 2016 00:42
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FlamingLiberal posted:I think it's absolutely possible when Trump just doesn't care much about the workings of government other than to benefit and enrich him and his family. Plus he's putting a bunch of people in charge of national security who are very open in their belief that Islam needs to be destroyed. The people he's appointed who qualify for that description are advisors with no actual power of their own. Now yes, he's the Sultan and they're Jafar, but fortunately Trump isn't actually a monarch.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I would bet all my money that Trump's deportation figures are calculated the same way Obama's are. They include people turned away at the border as "deportations" and they will never follow through with his promise to send squads roaming from business to business and house to house looking for people. That's kind of my hope. I was also guessing that most of the Muslim Registry hysteria just ends up being more of the status quo of OBIM... Except maybe he'll remind people that it actually exists and that'll be a Big Win. We'll see how neutered the tyranny is I guess.
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Nov 20, 2016 00:44
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Ding ding. Trump's actions won't be restrained. Just the media narrative and what the public knows.
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Nov 20, 2016 00:45
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deathbysnusnu posted:Yeah, so I'm a doctor in Kentucky. Most of my day is spent keeping those people chugging on. Next week I'll be in a nice rural hospital where the average patient age is around 88 or so, some of the friendliest patients in the state. They all voted trump. Gomer's gonna gome. Or how about providers whining about medicaid payment schedules when 10 years ago they were all going bankrupt because only half of their patients could pay?
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Pollyanna posted:I grew up in the Bush years, so I don't know how this actually affects things. Bush is weird because 9/11 came out of nowhere and acted like a shot in the arm for his presidency for a few years. He was unpopular prior to 9/11 and his popularity wore out after re-election. Trump would have to rely on another 9/11-style catastrophe to gain that level of popularity and even then I feel like the American populace is too polarized and cynical for it to work as well as it did the first time.
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HorseRenoir posted:Bush is weird because 9/11 came out of nowhere and acted like a shot in the arm for his presidency for a few years. He was unpopular prior to 9/11 and his popularity wore out after re-election. Trump would have to rely on another 9/11-style catastrophe to gain that level of popularity and even then I feel like the American populace is too polarized and cynical for it to work as well as it did the first time. Minus the warning that the Bush administration ignored.
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the black husserl posted:It's obviously not gonna be a dumb strawman like boxcars. It's gonna be deportation centers and detention camps and sure we'll have scattered rumors that the conditions are terrible and there might be a death or two, and yes I even heard they have the detainees doing labor for private companies (like in 'normal' prisons), but its all gonna happen offscreen in some far-away place that we won't care about. Based on the complete lack of compassion or care for immigrants some people in this thread have expressed I have little faith leftists would give a single poo poo about deportation centers ramping up way past what Obama was doing. Apparently leftists in America are now in the business of telling poor people they deserve to stay poor based on what side of the border they were born on. The hypocrisy when the vast majority of us almost certainly descend from immigrants is rich. Seriously 20 pages ago somebody was talking about ending birthright citizenship and nobody batted an eye. Literally adopting Republican talking points against immigrants.
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Sessions ideas are generally all bad and he's worthy of an atomic wedgie. Yes. Like if he talked about pecan pie being good in a presser I'd rethink pecan pie being my number two pie during the holidays.
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Lightning Knight posted:Based on the complete lack of compassion or care for immigrants some people in this thread have expressed I have little faith leftists would give a single poo poo about deportation centers ramping up way past what Obama was doing. Apparently leftists in America are now in the business of telling poor people they deserve to stay poor based on what side of the border they were born on. The hypocrisy when the vast majority of us almost certainly descend from immigrants is rich.  What the gently caress are you talking about?
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The handwringing about liberals not appealing to rustbelt white folks escalated into full-on "but the immigrants really ARE taking our jobs, and something needs to be done about it" talk and I think that's what's being referred to here.
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speng31b posted:The handwringing about liberals not appealing to rustbelt white folks escalated into full-on "but the immigrants really ARE taking our jobs, and something needs to be done about it" talk and I think that's what's being referred to here. I had no idea that was going on. That's bullshit if it's happening and I condemn it~
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speng31b posted:The handwringing about liberals not appealing to rustbelt white folks escalated into full-on "but the immigrants really ARE taking our jobs, and something needs to be done about it" talk and I think that's what's being referred to here. This. Illegal immigrants total less than five percent of the population and trying to deport all of them would be a humanitarian disaster, let alone trying to punish legal immigrants. We do not have to agree with bullshit right wing anti-immigration and nativist rhetoric to help poor people here and get immigrants away from exploitive employers.
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the black husserl posted:It's obviously not gonna be a dumb strawman like boxcars. It's gonna be deportation centers and detention camps and sure we'll have scattered rumors that the conditions are terrible and there might be a death or two, and yes I even heard they have the detainees doing labor for private companies (like in 'normal' prisons), but its all gonna happen offscreen in some far-away place that we won't care about. I don't know much about the current immigration/deportation system as is, but isn't it also possible that Trump can make life much, much more miserable for those already here? Make it more difficult to find work and whatnot, so undocumented immigrants are more likely to self-deport? Or, more likely, just get increasingly and more frequently forced into crushing poverty?
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Thaddius the Large posted:I don't know much about the current immigration/deportation system as is, but isn't it also possible that Trump can make life much, much more miserable for those already here? Make it more difficult to find work and whatnot, so undocumented immigrants are more likely to self-deport? Or, more likely, just get increasingly and more frequently forced into crushing poverty? It's unlikely Trump himself will do this, but he certainly will encourage and normalize behavior at the state level that will do this. He's probably not going to force states that don't want to be terrible to immigrants to do so, but he'll make it easier for the ones who do to get away with some truly despicable things.
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Thaddius the Large posted:I don't know much about the current immigration/deportation system as is, but isn't it also possible that Trump can make life much, much more miserable for those already here? Make it more difficult to find work and whatnot, so undocumented immigrants are more likely to self-deport? Or, more likely, just get increasingly and more frequently forced into crushing poverty? I mean this is already happening. When the economy crashed large amounts of immigrants, legal and illegal started returning to Mexico. What I'm more concerned about on top of all of that poo poo is them trying deportation en masse and we end up with something like Arizona's bullshit where cops just stop "Mexican looking people" in the street and demand papers. How many poor legal citizens who can't produce documents or get legal protection would be hosed? There's also the fact that large amounts of our immigration is not from Mexico and includes a lot of skilled labor. The tech sector would suffer massively if they started deporting people left and right without regard.
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Two weeks in and nuclear runmbling is already happening. https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/800132565533278208
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http://talkobamato.me/synthesize.py?speech_key=15c62d05de022004cfd52bc52958cd82
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Bueno Papi posted:My brother is a public school teacher for students with special needs. My brother is also a Trump supporter. I don't have the heart to pick at that. He hates kids and can't wait to get one of those new factory jobs Trump is bringing back.
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deathbysnusnu posted:Yeah, so I'm a doctor in Kentucky. Most of my day is spent keeping those people chugging on. Next week I'll be in a nice rural hospital where the average patient age is around 88 or so, some of the friendliest patients in the state. They all voted trump. I just quit selling Medicare Advantage plans this week, three weeks before the open enrollment season ended. The major reason was getting saddled with Kentucky, where we could offer only Humana plans for the most part and they were all super-expensive. Rural was worse because there was one plan in their area we could offer but at around $100/month, in addition to their Part B premium. Meanwhile, on TV, there's ads for $0/month premium plans and they're expecting something like that. And almost everyone I talked to was on Medicaid or low income and could barely afford their current situation. It was a loving nightmare.
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PT6A posted:How do conservatives square the circle of wanting traditional values and masculinity and all this poo poo, and then acting like you have the emotional fragility of a loving three-year-old? Just like they manage to be OK with voting for Trump while espousing morality and family values, they bury their heads in the sand (pretend the bad things aren't true) and don't even try. Cognitive dissonance is sweeeeet.
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Young Freud posted:I just quit selling Medicare Advantage plans this week, three weeks before the open enrollment season ended. The major reason was getting saddled with Kentucky, where we could offer only Humana plans for the most part and they were all super-expensive. Rural was worse because there was one plan in their area we could offer but at around $100/month, in addition to their Part B premium. Meanwhile, on TV, there's ads for $0/month premium plans and they're expecting something like that. It's depressing how low the American voters' ability to think critically is. The most obvious con-man assault them constantly, but they just keep on taking the bait out of some desperate hope that this time it will all work out for them.
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RandomBlue posted:Lack of cognitive dissonance is sweeeeet. fixed
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