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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:Trump wrote another Hamilton tweet. Trying hard to shift media attention there. Apparently Bannon is in the audience for tonight's showing now.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:Trump wrote another Hamilton tweet. Trying hard to shift media attention there. Lol it just got deleted SeANMcBAY posted:Apparently Bannon is in the audience for tonight's showing now. Source?
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Nov 20, 2016 01:59
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CelestialScribe posted:Two weeks in and nuclear runmbling is already happening. My greatest fear is regional nuclear conflict. It seems like the ultimate no-turning-back scenario. I also feel like there's nothing I can do other than hope it doesn't happen. I'm not aware of actual steps I can take to work against it. We're going to be living in the loving Watchmen universe.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:02
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I must be missing something; why are all these arch-conservatives going to what is apparently a very liberal musical?
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Samurai Sanders posted:I must be missing something; why are all these arch-conservatives going to what is apparently a very liberal musical? Pence may have been going for the sake of attending something in pop culture, trying to maintain a place in the public eye and whatnot. Bannon, if he is truly there, is likely trying to provoke a reaction.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:05
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Samurai Sanders posted:I must be missing something; why are all these arch-conservatives going to what is apparently a very liberal musical? Something something founding fathers patriotic something something I can't imagine it's much deeper than that it's about that era.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:05
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Samurai Sanders posted:I must be missing something; why are all these arch-conservatives going to what is apparently a very liberal musical? Probably because they love fellating the Founding Fathers and thought they'd give this popular patriotic-looking thing a go? Helps that they can actually afford the tickets too, of course. (And are probably just stuck hovering in Trump's NYC-anchored orbit without plans.)
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Nov 20, 2016 02:06
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twistedmentat posted:This is the most likely. We here in Canada had a Prime Minister who managed to avoid anyone but friendly media for a full decade. Though seeing the media get salty after they gave Trump pretty much a free ride during the election when he turns on them will be interesting. This is why I am convinced they'll be leaping on any scandal story involving Trump and his crew. Trump is ratings, and if they can't get him saying silly and infuriating things, they'll find people who will say them about Trump. The only thing salty about the press will be the stuff dribbling out all their orifices after they prostrate themselves in a desperate attempt to regain access.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:07
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I like how often I see someone spout off pro Trump bullshit, but then when called on it they go "I didn't vote for Trump!" as if it's some kind of pass. Bannon 100% is there so he can say how mean all the nig....I mean Liberals were to him. FAUXTON posted:The only thing salty about the press will be the stuff dribbling out all their orifices after they prostrate themselves in a desperate attempt to regain access. I don't think so, Trump being nutty is worth more than "Trump totally didn't fart in front of the President of France" style news.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:08
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Is Donald Trump, infact, seriously considering Sarah Palin to be his Interior Secretary? Are there other options?
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Nov 20, 2016 02:10
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Jesus, if Bannon is actually at Hamilton tonight, I'm kinda worried.
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Grouchio posted:Is Donald Trump, infact, seriously considering Sarah Palin to be his Interior Secretary? Are there other options? I suspect it'll be an oil baron in the end. Somebody with a hardon for the death of conservation and mining every open piece of land they can find.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:12
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Thaddius the Large posted:Pence may have been going for the sake of attending something in pop culture, trying to maintain a place in the public eye and whatnot. Bannon, if he is truly there, is likely trying to provoke a reaction. Bannon is trolling, and they should probably cancel the show.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:12
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If Bannon is at Hamilton, they had better call him a literal nazi mid-show.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:13
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:Bannon is trolling, and they should probably cancel the show. Isn't that also just giving the troll what he wants? Grouchio posted:Is Donald Trump, infact, seriously considering Sarah Palin to be his Interior Secretary? Are there other options? It's more a rumor than anything else. You can actually take it seriously if Trump meets or calls her like with Romney.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:15
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They should do nothing whatsoever to acknowledge Bannon and do the show as normal. They acknowledged Pence because he's an elected official and they put him into a bad position by politely calling him out in a reasonable way. Bannon is a nobody and should be treated as such.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:17
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Bannon is a Nazi perilously close to a position of government power and should be beaten senseless by every able-bodied member of the establishment.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:18
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twistedmentat posted:I like how often I see someone spout off pro Trump bullshit, but then when called on it they go "I didn't vote for Trump!" as if it's some kind of pass. I have a transgender friend who "became" libertarian following Democratic primary and been NeverHillary throughout the rest of the season whose been throwing out normalizing rhetoric regarding the protests and downplay all the threats and attacks against minorities and LGBT people. It's downright peculiar to see someone like that defend Trump and the air of bullshit around him. twistedmentat posted:Bannon 100% is there so he can say how mean all the nig....I mean Liberals were to him. What will be hilarious is if they don't recognize him or address him at all. The dude looks like everyone's drunk racist uncle or friend.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:18
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DoctorWhat posted:Bannon is a Nazi perilously close to a position of government power and should be beaten senseless by every able-bodied member of the establishment. I agree, but we don't live in that world. I'd rather not see them all go to jail for life for attacking a guy most of the country knows nothing about. He's trolling for a reaction. Defeat him by denying him his reaction.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:19
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Yeah I have to admit I had no idea what Bannon looked like until yesterday and even now I wouldn't recognize him in a crowd. He's no Mike Pence - you could recognize that serial-killer someone else's face-skin on your skull look anywhere.
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DoctorWhat posted:Bannon is a Nazi perilously close to a position of government power and should be beaten senseless by every able-bodied member of the establishment. I'm pretty sure the ghosts of the Founding Fathers would appear and hang him from the nearest Tree. Or maybe just do the end of Raiders. Oh yea, the Ark is open during the State of the Union, and Trump is Belloch and Pence is Todtenkopf. Young Freud posted:I have a transgender friend who "became" libertarian following Democratic primary and been NeverHillary throughout the rest of the season whose been throwing out normalizing rhetoric regarding the protests and downplay all the threats and attacks against minorities and LGBT people. It's downright peculiar to see someone like that defend Trump and the air of bullshit around him. But I'm sure your friend, they're all "but I voted for Johnson!". Like seriously, is that somehow better? Bannon kinda looks like Matt Groening .
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speng31b posted:Yeah I have to admit I had no idea what Bannon looked like until yesterday and even now I wouldn't recognize him in a crowd. He's no Mike Pence - you could recognize that serial-killer someone else's face-skin on your skull look anywhere. I was watching that CSPAN elevator feed the other day, commented "Is that Bannon or some other fat white guy with a bad haircut?", and some random guy tracked down my Facebook to call me an awful fat person.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:23
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Bannon provokes liberals into reacting by his attendance, even if it's just on Twitter, and it only furthers the narrative that "Trump's critics are all a bunch of big city liberal elite intellectuals, so different than the rest of us regular Americans, they're overreacting to a bunch of nothing". It's obvious, but damned if I don't see a lot of people taking the bait.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:24
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Thaddius the Large posted:Bannon provokes liberals into reacting by his attendance, even if it's just on Twitter, and it only furthers the narrative that "Trump's critics are all a bunch of big city liberal elite intellectuals, so different than the rest of us regular Americans, they're overreacting to a bunch of nothing". It's obvious, but damned if I don't see a lot of people taking the bait. Related to this, the outright hostility towards education and reveling in anti-intellectualism in this country does not bode well. We're going to keep losing elections if we ignore how effectively the right has systematically destroyed public education in this country and turned a quality education into a privilege of the few, then demonized them for daring to be educated.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:29
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Lightning Knight posted:Related to this, the outright hostility towards education and reveling in anti-intellectualism in this country does not bode well. We're going to keep losing elections if we ignore how effectively the right has systematically destroyed public education in this country and turned a quality education into a privilege of the few, then demonized them for daring to be educated. President of the United State where lack of experience is considered a bonus.
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Lightning Knight posted:Related to this, the outright hostility towards education and reveling in anti-intellectualism in this country does not bode well. We're going to keep losing elections if we ignore how effectively the right has systematically destroyed public education in this country and turned a quality education into a privilege of the few, then demonized them for daring to be educated. Keeping in this thread, this is why protesting and connecting to people is important. These people aren't all dumb, they're uninformed, and talking to people can change some minds. I've had conversations on the street or in restaurants and bars that have both informed me and taught other people. Gathering information links, recommending documentaries, articles, and books to explain why you think what you do could be useful.
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Lightning Knight posted:Related to this, the outright hostility towards education and reveling in anti-intellectualism in this country does not bode well. We're going to keep losing elections if we ignore how effectively the right has systematically destroyed public education in this country and turned a quality education into a privilege of the few, then demonized them for daring to be educated. Blaming the Right for a culture of anti-intellectual doesn't get at the real culprit of why our citizens value knowledge so little.
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DoctorWhat posted:I don't care, I want the bastard in traction. The American political culture doesn't jive with bash the fash, unfortunately. We teach kids to idealize MLK instead of Malcom X for a reason.
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:Blaming the Right for a culture of anti-intellectual doesn't get at the real culprit of why our citizens value knowledge so little. The right isn't the only source of anti-intellectualism but this election proved that you can get far by fanning the flames.
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Lightning Knight posted:I agree, but we don't live in that world. I'd rather not see them all go to jail for life for attacking a guy most of the country knows nothing about.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:37
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Lightning Knight posted:The right isn't the only source of anti-intellectualism but this election proved that you can get far by fanning the flames. I think it more proved that appealing to baser things doesn't really hurt. In other words, Trump being Trump didn't defeat himself.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:39
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Grouchio posted:Does Bannon hate Trump's son in law Jared Kushner since he's Jewish (and someone who Trump wants on his team?) Or does he merely consider him a credit to his race? Also how is him being Chief Strategist actually going to work if Trump really, really wants to work with Israel? (Unless Bannon hates Muslims as much as Jews...) No idea on Kushner, but Bannon seems like the type to pit the Muslims and Israel against each other, probably siding with Israel at first to suit his ends.
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Nov 20, 2016 02:40
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Grouchio posted:Does Bannon hate Trump's son in law Jared Kushner since he's Jewish (and someone who Trump wants on his team?) Or does he merely consider him a credit to his race? Also how is him being Chief Strategist actually going to work if Trump really, really wants to work with Israel? (Unless Bannon hates Muslims as much as Jews...) I could be wrong, but I think Bannon's anti-semitism is much less prevalent than his anti-Islam, the former is much more of a general dislike of "the other" than the latter, where he has a desire for outright eradication.
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Thaddius the Large posted:I could be wrong, but I think Bannon's anti-semitism is much less prevalent than his anti-Islam, the former is much more of a general dislike of "the other" than the latter, where he has a desire for outright eradication.
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twistedmentat posted:I'm pretty sure the ghosts of the Founding Fathers would appear and hang him from the nearest Tree. Or maybe just do the end of Raiders. I've been reading Burroughs, and I'd imagine the scene out of "The Wild Boys" where the Department of Defense tries to weaponize Ah Puk. "Here lived stupid vulgar sons of bitches who thought they could hire DEATH as a company cop!" twistedmentat posted:But I'm sure your friend, they're all "but I voted for Johnson!". Like seriously, is that somehow better? How did you know?  Grouchio posted:Does Bannon hate Trump's son in law Jared Kushner since he's Jewish (and someone who Trump wants on his team?) Or does he merely consider him a credit to his race? Also how is him being Chief Strategist actually going to work if Trump really, really wants to work with Israel? (Unless Bannon hates Muslims as much as Jews...) Word has it that Kushner's gunning for Bannon. Kushner basically made the decision between Bannon and Rence Preibus for Chief of Staff. "Chief strategist" is the consolation prize and reward for the campaign, but Kushner's looking to edge him out of Trump's inner circle by getting his own security clearance. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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Grouchio posted:So Bannon's not really a nazi then? He's a racist fascist, whether you want to extend that to outright Naziism is up to you. I dislike the comparisons as anything more than facile allusions, as Trump and his folk are plenty despicable in their own right, and trying to draw historic parallels tends to distract from present issues when extended anything more than surface level, but that's me.
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Grouchio posted:Does Bannon hate Trump's son in law Jared Kushner since he's Jewish (and someone who Trump wants on his team?) Or does he merely consider him a credit to his race? Also how is him being Chief Strategist actually going to work if Trump really, really wants to work with Israel? (Unless Bannon hates Muslims as much as Jews...) I can only speculate, but white nationalists tend to make weird temporary alliances with other ethnic advocacy groups when their interests align. They probably like that Israel has a gross right wing government happy to poo poo on Muslims, and getting all the Jewish people in one place makes them an easier long term target to people with genocidal aspirations. Remember that white nationalists backed black separatists in the '60s because they liked that they wanted all the black people to leave America. speng31b posted:I think it more proved that appealing to baser things doesn't really hurt. In other words, Trump being Trump didn't defeat himself. Shhhh. We aren't allowed to say that racism is one of the big driving motivations in American politics. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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There's also the white nationalist/ Christians that believe Jews are Gods chosen people but they should all live in Israel. White Nationalist are absolutely white supremacist ,but there's also the message of no racial mixing at all above other beliefs.
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Pollyanna posted:So, NPR's aired a couple interviews recently with alt-right figures and white supremacists. People are claiming that doing so is normalizing their speech and therefore giving neo-nazi speech legitimacy. I'm inclined to agree, personally. I've listened to a number of these, and to be fair the people interviewing the alt right folks have generally come across as disbelieving and incredulous of their stances, so they are hardly towing the line. The problem is NPR hosts never call bullshit, even when it is staring them in the face, so it comes across as incredibly limp-wristed at best. But then again, brought to you by Koch industries, who employ 60000 people!
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