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Powershift posted:A bible thumping, home-schooled, anti-abortion, anti-sex ed nutcase in a conservative stronghold that has never voted for anything other than PC, not a good example. A while back the riding of Alberta-Medicine Hat was vacated when the PC MP died of a heart attack. When it was reported that he was originally parachuted in from the other side of the province to stand for the PCs and how could anyone vote for him since it's obvious he doesn't have a stake in his constituency someone in this thread pointed out that in that riding the PCs could have nominated a potted ficus plant and it could have had a better than even chance of winning. I guess they're pushing that principle to extremes.
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James Baud posted:The NDP vote is inefficiently concentrated on the island and a few high density urban ridings so they'll lose again because environment vs jobs kills them elsewhere. Also the entire slate of MLAs have been invisible other than Eby. I honestly don't know how they've been so terrible. Sure, the legislature never sits, but you don't need it. You could say the same thing about the liberals re: invisibility but I guess that isn't so bad when you're the incumbents.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 12:13 |
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NB NDP leader Dominic Cardy trying to shore up support amongst the progressive base:quote:Good article. I have no time for the regressive left silliness that whines about 'microaggressions' but Summers is right in reminding us that there are people who want to roll back equal rights for various groups and someone those people support is about to move into the White House. Well I guess microaggressions aren't a thing according to a wealthy white male in 95.7% white New Brunswick, and as the leader of a party with zero seats and 13% of the vote in the last election, he can obviously afford to shed support from the "regressive left". *cue another 10 pages of debate about how some minor facet of this brief non-story explains exactly why the left is losing worldwide*
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 14:31 |
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Do we really expect a provincial legislature to make law regarding microaggressions? What would such a law look like?
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 15:25 |
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Dominic Cardy was supposed to resign years ago and his party literally begged him to stay because nobody else wanted the job. He's been talking about the need for the NDP to "modernize" by ditching any left-wing ideas for like twenty years now. He was also one of the introductory speakers at Tom Mulcair's campaign launch. He did eventually turn on Mulcair though: quote:"With the way the federal NDP campaign rolled out last year, from around halfway through the campaign, there were a lot of positions that I didn't feel particularly comfortable with," he said. So yeah, Cardy is a giant piece of poo poo. Jimbozig posted:Do we really expect a provincial legislature to make law regarding microaggressions? What would such a law look like? The issue is that Cardy is praising a lovely article by a well known sexist rear end in a top hat about how political correctness basically caused Trump. This is less about a specific piece of legislation that might ever be drafted and more about Cardy being an idiot.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 15:54 |
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Jimbozig posted:Do we really expect a provincial legislature to make law regarding microaggressions? What would such a law look like? Does this count?
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 17:54 |
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I consider posting to be macro-aggression.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 18:37 |
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Latest Hebert column:quote:The opposition parties hold the majority at the electoral reform table and, in any event, no government is bound to implement the prescription of a committee. If such an obligation existed, Canada’s new law on medically assisted suicide would be a lot less restrictive. But if Trudeau is presented with an opposition consensus as to the way forward on the voting system he will, at a minimum, have to come up with the kind of coherent response that has been sorely lacking to date. What the hell NDP? The only way I could justify this is as a hedge against the Liberals imposing instant runoff or something.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 19:37 |
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I'd prefer a decent proportional representation system being implemented through legislation and there are huge dangers to a referendum but I imagine a lot of people are going to agree with the conservatives that a major overhaul of the voting system should be approved by the voters themselves. It may also be the only way to pressure the Liberals into not adopting a much weaker version of reform.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 19:42 |
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The logic I think is that the liberals are clearly gunning for AV (a bad system worse than FPTP even) so we're going to push for a referendum to ensure its failure.
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THC posted:The logic I think is that the liberals are clearly gunning for AV (a bad system worse than FPTP even) so we're going to push for a referendum to ensure its failure. Why is it worse than FPTP?
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 20:24 |
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I think the liberals and conservatives have both run every possible computer model to figure out which would put them into power for the longest period, and should there be a referendum, they would spend millions on advertising for their choice of system. Trudeau will probably hold off until it's closer to the general election to eat up a bit of the conservative coffers, take another majority, and have another 5 years of rule before having to give up their majority to a fair voting system. Mulcair will never leave, so the NDP is going to be irrelevant for the foreseeable future.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 20:28 |
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It would basically guarantee permanent Liberal majorities forever, for one thing. The opposition parties aren't too thrilled about that.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 20:29 |
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Speaking of Liberals, notice how this American liberal critique of Donald Trump's economic platform is one find+replace away from being a critique of Justin Trudeau.quote:Unsexy, Very Important
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 20:40 |
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I'm torn on ranked balloting. I do think it's important for the ballot to reflect the complexity of voter preferences (most voters feel varying degrees of approval for the parties, not just "my party or bust"), and a transferable vote would also make people more confident in giving their top vote to a long-shot outsider party. But there is the issue that the most centrist party tends to benefit-- the Liberals would scoop up a ton of 2nd-choice votes from both NDP and CPC voters. I'm not sure what the answer is to that, but it needs to be addressed before implementing a ranked system.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 20:42 |
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I saw the idea of a "props and slops" ballot where you vote for one party to give +1 vote to and another to give -1 vote to. It wasn't a serious suggestion, I don't think, but the idea of a system where conservatives would be unelectable is nice to think about.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 20:44 |
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Powershift posted:Mulcair will never leave, so the NDP is going to be irrelevant for the foreseeable future. We're having a leadership election in October in which Mulcair won't be a candidate though Supercar Gautier posted:I'm torn on ranked balloting. I do think it's important for the ballot to reflect the complexity of voter preferences (most voters feel varying degrees of approval for the parties, not just "my party or bust"), and a transferable vote would also make people more confident in giving their top vote to a long-shot outsider party.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 20:46 |
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Helsing posted:Speaking of Liberals, notice how this American liberal critique of Donald Trump's economic platform is one find+replace away from being a critique of Justin Trudeau. I agree, we should have kept Harper.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 20:46 |
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Wistful of Dollars posted:I agree, we should have kept Harper. Thank God we have Trudeau here to save us from Harper's regressive policies on issues like temporary foreign workers, foreign ownership requirements, privatization, trade, healthcare spending, pipelines, civil servant contracts, healthcare transfers or income taxes. We're so much better off now that the same or worse policies are being implemented by someone with massive public support instead of someone who was at least partially restrained by a hostile media and public.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 21:15 |
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A referendum would be okay if they structured it appropriately (lol they never ever ever would). If they made it 3 questions: Should our electoral system be proportional? Should all MPs represent geographic regions? Should we have ranked ballots? Then you can easily go with majority rules for each of the 3. We'd probably end up with STV or MMP. We'd surely end up with something proportional.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 21:21 |
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sitchensis posted:I've done some research on this. I've heard there's more buy in and less complaints about health etc in European countries with community and co-op ownership models. Do you have any recommendations for good articles about the wind power in Ontario (maybe even in comparison to other places)?
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 21:38 |
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There's an alberta liberal party?
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 23:47 |
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Fallen Hamprince posted:There's an alberta liberal party? There is, now with one lonely MLA. (I'm not sure if David Swann runs as an independent or NDP next election; he's quite respected and will likely win should he choose to run). However, this appears to be an ad from the last federal election.
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# ? Nov 19, 2016 23:49 |
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Supercar Gautier posted:I'm torn on ranked balloting. I do think it's important for the ballot to reflect the complexity of voter preferences (most voters feel varying degrees of approval for the parties, not just "my party or bust"), and a transferable vote would also make people more confident in giving their top vote to a long-shot outsider party. Liberals have governed for about 70% of the last century. Ranked balloting probably wouldn't keep them in power any more than FPTP but it could help with giving the rest of the parties representation that more closely aligns with how people actually voted.
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# ? Nov 20, 2016 00:48 |
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Lobok posted:Liberals have governed for about 70% of the last century. Ranked balloting probably wouldn't keep them in power any more than FPTP but it could help with giving the rest of the parties representation that more closely aligns with how people actually voted. If you rerun the 2015 election, based on actual results and with self-reported second choices from polls and a ranked ballot:
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# ? Nov 20, 2016 02:32 |
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Pinterest Mom posted:If you rerun the 2015 election, based on actual results and with self-reported second choices from polls and a ranked ballot: ... well on one hand, it craters the Tory representation, which I am unconditionally a fan of. Too bad it makes us stuck with the Grits, though.
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# ? Nov 20, 2016 02:35 |
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Gives Elizabeth May too much power IMO Don't know if I can stomach that scenario.
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# ? Nov 20, 2016 02:51 |
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Drunk Canuck posted:Gives Elizabeth May too much power IMO You might have indigestion. I recommend a F.A.R.T
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# ? Nov 20, 2016 02:57 |
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Pinterest Mom posted:If you rerun the 2015 election, based on actual results and with self-reported second choices from polls and a ranked ballot: Those proportional results give me a half-chub. Minority governments always get poo poo on, but the best decisions usually are made through compromise and discussion. Not one party steamrolling every other party with 25% of the vote.
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# ? Nov 20, 2016 03:37 |
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Pinterest Mom posted:If you rerun the 2015 election, based on actual results and with self-reported second choices from polls and a ranked ballot: The only way you could look at these, and decide Preferential voting is the way to go, is if you are bunnyofdoom.
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# ? Nov 20, 2016 03:40 |
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Or if you think people would vote differently if the system was different. Which they would.
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# ? Nov 20, 2016 04:38 |
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http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens...ppens-1.3853530 Heeheehee. What a dumbass.
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# ? Nov 20, 2016 04:50 |
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Jordan7hm posted:Or if you think people would vote differently if the system was different. parties would campaign differently too. they wouldn't be able to campaign to narrow groups in key ridings.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihhhUEvtJWYDrunk Canuck posted:Gives Elizabeth May too much power IMO One would hope that a green party with an actual ability to influence legislation would scramble to find a less lovely leader. e: hope, not expect The Dark One fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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Good catch.
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Arcsquad12 posted:http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens...ppens-1.3853530 sounds like that dude needs a safe space
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Arcsquad12 posted:http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens...ppens-1.3853530 Thank goodness Canada state media reports on this stuff, I was almost not thinking lol americans there for a second.
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# ? Nov 20, 2016 15:53 |
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Jordan7hm posted:Or if you think people would vote differently if the system was different. Yeah, playing with different scenarios after the fact doesn't work. If the entire voting system is different the parties themselves might be different. How might the decision to join the PC and Reform parties have gone under a preferential system?
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Arcsquad12 posted:http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens...ppens-1.3853530 Before I reached the part about him being American I seriously thought this was a Canadian Conservative trying to push this sort of thing. edit: I like how asking for more details is having an agenda, this is really what the state of western politics have become, politicians just make poo poo up and expect you to eat it up and if you don't you're obviously an enemy BattleMaster fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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