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NumberLast posted:It's weird, because I live in Idaho and the local party chapter's website is great. A button to sign up automatically for a newsletter, a calendar with events that has 3-4 per month for the next few months. Because you have to fight and scrap for EVERY Democratic vote in ID. Having a decent website, nice place to hang out and learn more, and events is important in bringing over ANYONE who's even remotely interested to your side. I was actually somewhat impressed with my county's website. http://jeffcodems.org/ Wow. A clear page to volunteer. A fair amount of upcoming events. News! Clean design. This is probably because Jefferson county is a highly populated county that almost always splits 52-48 one way or the other, and the way it goes usually determines where Colorado goes? In other words, if you want to have Colorado go blue for anything from state house to President, you need Jeffco. We actually probably kept the state from going red or Minnesota-blue this election. I went ahead and filled out the form to volunteer. Give it a shot, anyway.
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Digiwizzard posted:Back in July Chuck Schumer summed it up: “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.” This highlights a difference in thinking between the Democratic Party and leftists. The Democratic Party's main mission is to get as many people voting for the Democratic Party as possible. Their dream is to turn the United States to how the state of Hawaii operates. Have one party virtually dominate all levels of politics. In contrast to this, leftists don't care what party is in office, they just care about what ideology is being pushed. A leftist would much rather have a senate and house split 50/50, but with virtually all of the Democrats being progressives and half of the Republicans being centrists, compared to one that is split 70/30 with half of the Democrats being progressives, with the other half being centrists, while virtually all of the Republicans are conservative. In contrast, the Democratic Party would clearly want a reality of the latter. When you undergo the worst loss in election season in possibly modern US history to the most incompetent and disliked candidate in US history, you can no longer call yourself and "expert". Neeksy posted:He used to argue in favor of privatizing libraries. He also has a borner on China. Wikkheiser posted:Identity politics backfired while she also ran too far to the center on issues. This did not happen with Hillary.
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i still don't get why ezra klein makes videos in which he speaks. does he realize he lisps.
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punk rebel ecks posted:This did not happen with Hillary. No, it didn't. She was actually pulled farther to the left on issues by Bernie's challenge than she might have been, but at the end of the day she campaigned AGAINST Trump and not for those issues. The idea that Trump would self-defeat was rejected. This can't be said enough - you can't just campaign against the other side. You have to campaign for your own. Hillary's stances - maybe not historically, but at least in this election and campaign cycle - were actually reasonably liberal. They just weren't the focus.
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Nov 20, 2016 18:08
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If the democrats have a goal of getting as many people to vote democrat as possible, thats pretty sad considering. It seems more like a secondary goal, at best
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Nov 20, 2016 18:12
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First goal seemed to be "please the machine spirits" imo
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Nov 20, 2016 18:14
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The DLC, from which Hillarys crew arose, had destroying the American left as a higher priority than getting elected, so I think its wrong to say they arent ideological - they just dont have leftist ideology.
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speng31b posted:No, it didn't. She was actually pulled farther to the left on issues by Bernie's challenge than she might have been, but at the end of the day she campaigned AGAINST Trump and not for those issues. The idea that Trump would self-defeat was rejected. This can't be said enough - you can't just campaign against the other side. You have to campaign for your own. Hillary's stances - maybe not historically, but at least in this election and campaign cycle - were actually reasonably liberal. They just weren't the focus. i hear this all the time but does anyone actually believe that hillary would follow through on anything bernie cared about after she was in office? i expected her to abandon it all the second the results were called. van jones put it perfectly: Van Jones posted:Here's the thing: Hillary Clinton did try to reach out to the Sanders voters with policy concessions, but Sanders voters, especially his most activist core, are process people. They're not policy wonks. They're people who want big money out of politics. They're people who want fairness from the DNC chair. They're people who want every vote to count. They're the people who don't like Wall Street money. Right? They're primarily about the process of politics and whether or not it's fair and whether or not big-money elites are rigging things in your favor. They don't care how many zeroes you add onto your promised education college policy if they don't trust you in the first place. The interview is very good
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Here's a wacky idea: let's keep all the stuff about wanting to end systemic oppression/exploitation of POC and other minorities while ALSO directly addressing the economic oppression/exploitation of the non-1%.
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GlyphGryph posted:If the democrats have a goal of getting as many people to vote democrat as possible, thats pretty sad considering. They are obsessed with the triangulation strategy which NEVER worked in the first place. Stexils posted:i hear this all the time but does anyone actually believe that hillary would follow through on anything bernie cared about after she was in office? i expected her to abandon it all the second the results were called. van jones put it perfectly: This is the core point that Hillary supporters could not understand. "But she votes with Bernie 93% of the time!" or "but she adopted his platform!" doesn't mean poo poo. What matters if she will attack the core issues that cause the situation we are in. She can be "against TPP", but she changed her stance on it just a week before the primaries and during the primaries voted for PROMESA. She claims that Trump is Russia's bitch, yet she seems to have a huge hard-on for Israel. She seems interested in treating the symptoms but not disease. In contrast, Sanders was all about the disease. punk rebel ecks has issued a correction as of 18:25 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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Stexils posted:i hear this all the time but does anyone actually believe that hillary would follow through on anything bernie cared about after she was in office? i expected her to abandon it all the second the results were called. van jones put it perfectly: No, and noone believing her probably weakened the platform even to the extent that she talked about it. But not talking about or focusing on it definitely didn't do her any favors. If she campaigned as a democrat first and foremost instead of "an experienced woman who is not Trump" she would have likely performed better. Her experience was poisoned thanks to years of attacks, people are sexist as poo poo (women too), and being "not Trump" wasn't enough on its own.
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Nov 20, 2016 18:24
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Grey Fox posted:Here's a wacky idea: let's keep all the stuff about wanting to end systemic oppression/exploitation of POC and other minorities while ALSO directly addressing the economic oppression/exploitation of the non-1%. If the democrats can't show people who've been beaten down by capitalist forces a future they can see themselves in, how the gently caress do they expect them to vote for them?
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Stexils posted:i hear this all the time but does anyone actually believe that hillary would follow through on anything bernie cared about after she was in office? i expected her to abandon it all the second the results were called. van jones put it perfectly: nobody thought she'd ever follow through and holy poo poo was it annoying to hear people keep going on and on about how she was exactly like bernie, voted 95 percent the same as him, etc as if they were even close to alike.
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That she refused to actually say or support her platform is part of what it not very believable
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Grey Fox posted:Here's a wacky idea: let's keep all the stuff about wanting to end systemic oppression/exploitation of POC and other minorities while ALSO directly addressing the economic oppression/exploitation of the non-1%. Seriously. I cannot fathom what goes on in the minds of people who think these two goals are mutually exclusive.
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speng31b posted:No, it didn't. She was actually pulled farther to the left on issues by Bernie's challenge than she might have been, but at the end of the day she campaigned AGAINST Trump and not for those issues. The idea that Trump would self-defeat was rejected. This can't be said enough - you can't just campaign against the other side. You have to campaign for your own. Hillary's stances - maybe not historically, but at least in this election and campaign cycle - were actually reasonably liberal. They just weren't the focus. I think the worst part about all this is that it is nearly exactly what happened in 2004 You think we would have learned something from johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com (https://web.archive.org/web/20110427053011/http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com/)
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Grey Fox posted:Here's a wacky idea: let's keep all the stuff about wanting to end systemic oppression/exploitation of POC and other minorities while ALSO directly addressing the economic oppression/exploitation of the non-1%. Yeah, this needs to happen. Perhaps unshockingly, this is really just a democrat being a democrat and campaigning on the platform. Maybe someone should try doing this.
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loquacius posted:(a) Is "they didn't adopt Bernie's platform wholesale because he put Cornel West on the committee which hurt their feelings, and they were totally in the right to do this" your actual serious opinion because both He is still salty about the primary. And the 30 day prob was changed to 3 days or maybe it was mis-typed by factsareuseless, either way what a shame.
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Stexils posted:i hear this all the time but does anyone actually believe that hillary would follow through on anything bernie cared about after she was in office? i expected her to abandon it all the second the results were called. van jones put it perfectly: I don't know, I expected her to follow through on the college thing and possibly a public option expansion to the ACA. I had absolutely no hopes about anything else, though, and fully expected a war by the end of her term. After Obama it's hard to not think the worst of an establishment dem tho. He was as outsider as an insider gets and he ended up grabbing the GOP's cock and stuffing it in our assholes for them. Thanks for the lovely ACA, Obama
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Grey Fox posted:Here's a wacky idea: let's keep all the stuff about wanting to end systemic oppression/exploitation of POC and other minorities while ALSO directly addressing the economic oppression/exploitation of the non-1%. Sorry but as Hillary supporters from August until November 8th used to remind you, that is actually impossible.
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purge the blemished! ideological purity forever!
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Grey Fox posted:Here's a wacky idea: let's keep all the stuff about wanting to end systemic oppression/exploitation of POC and other minorities while ALSO directly addressing the economic oppression/exploitation of the non-1%. Somebody please go back in time to February 2016, shoot Bernie Sander's campaign manager in the loving head, and tell this to Bernie before he pulls out of the south
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Powercrazy posted:Sorry but as Hillary supporters from August until November 8th used to remind you, that is actually impossible. Hillary supporters argued against single payer and didn't see anything strange with her $12 minimum wage should be enough for anyone talking point.
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Powercrazy posted:Sorry but as Hillary supporters from August until November 8th used to remind you, that is actually impossible.
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Nov 20, 2016 18:38
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sir, I asked for the low-salt menu please
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https://youtu.be/Wm7T6sP4kT0 Colbert on Late Show: it was all the fault of Fake News and Comey
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etalian posted:Hillary supporters argued against single payer and didn't see anything strange with her $12 minimum wage should be enough for anyone talking point. i think the argument was more "how the gently caress are we going to pass single payer, and Americans apparently already hate Obamacare so..." this position hurt her campaign horribly imo and I never agreed with it but I can see the logic behind it at least
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logikv9 posted:sir, I asked for the low-salt menu please The USPOL Diner is right across the street if you don't like this menu (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Grey Fox posted:Here's a wacky idea: let's keep all the stuff about wanting to end systemic oppression/exploitation of POC and other minorities while ALSO directly addressing the economic oppression/exploitation of the non-1%. It's surprising how many of my minority friends believe this is impossible because they have no faith that these promises will be held up.
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etalian posted:The USPOL Diner is right across the street if you don't like this menu Although if you're not after salt...
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Fulchrum, I took you off my ignore list because the primary is over and we need to move on, please don't prove me wrong for doing itPowercrazy posted:Sorry but as Hillary supporters from August until November 8th used to remind you, that is actually impossible. Lol "until November 8th", they're still saying it. Go to D&D or hell some other C-SPAM thread besides this one and look through a few pages and you'll see poo poo like this... Fulchrum posted:So you think Hillary Clinton lost because she didn't call Barack Obama the n word enough? ...all over the place Mirthless posted:Somebody please go back in time to February 2016, shoot Bernie Sander's campaign manager in the loving head, and tell this to Bernie before he pulls out of the south I really want to go back in time, barge into DNC headquarters, plop down a "PRESIDENT TRUMP" headline and a printout of this thread on their conference room table, say "BEWARE HUBRIS", and then fade into nothingness like a spooky socialism ghost
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Vitamin Me posted:https://youtu.be/Wm7T6sP4kT0 I guess it's more comfortable to blame Comey, than admitting Hillary ran a very bad campaign and failed to have a appealing fundamental message.
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Mirthless posted:i think the argument was more "how the gently caress are we going to pass single payer, and Americans apparently already hate Obamacare so..." The point is to work towards it. Is it really impossible to say "I'd love Single Payer healthcare, however there are entrenched interests that make it impossible currently (you could even blame the republicans here). That's why I want to work to expand the ACA and make sure the public option exists." Instead we got "[Single Payer] will Never ever happen, (and I'll make sure of it)."
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mrmcd posted:Seriously. I cannot fathom what goes on in the minds of people who think these two goals are mutually exclusive. Or that they often don't go hand in hand. Mirthless posted:Somebody please go back in time to February 2016, shoot Bernie Sander's campaign manager in the loving head, and tell this to Bernie before he pulls out of the south Bernie pushes racial and social justice pretty hard. Hillary just had that demographic on lock down for people over 35.
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Powercrazy posted:The point is to work towards it. Is it really impossible to say "I'd love Single Payer healthcare, however there are entrenched interests that make it impossible currently (you could even blame the republicans here). That's why I want to work to expand the ACA and make sure the public option exists." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyT44Vmb0Io
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Vitamin Me posted:https://youtu.be/Wm7T6sP4kT0 I'm a little confused by this summary because Colbert had Sanders on his show this month and seemed to Get It then, but I don't have time to watch this video rn
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etalian posted:I guess it's more comfortable to blame Comey, than admitting Hillary ran a very bad campaign and failed to have a appealing fundamental message. Yeah, and wouldnt wanna risk scaring off all those other celebrities and politicians would we? Better to make fun of some nobody on facebook.
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Stexils posted:i hear this all the time but does anyone actually believe that hillary would follow through on anything bernie cared about after she was in office? i expected her to abandon it all the second the results were called. van jones put it perfectly: Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bf8PHExS8I
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