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Dead Cosmonaut
Nov 14, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

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Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

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They don't look very intimidating

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I've lived in "rural" Oklahoma and Arkansas all my adult life. We are out there~

One of the first genuine communists I "met" on the internet was a good old boy from Texas who had a stars-and-bars phase in his youth (which he moved completely past but it informs his understanding of rural racism from the inside). He was always going on about socialism for the farmlands. I should get in touch with that guy.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

jarofpiss posted:

my dangly earring and tight pants are gonna be a home run in rural mississippi and i think i'll finally have the proletariat organized if i can just yell at enough people about saying "illegal immigrant" instead of "undocumented worker"

imagine the roguish communist musical where their street smarts and dance moves teach a dreary town the value of socialism

Yinlock fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Nov 20, 2016

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

GunnerJ posted:

One of the first genuine communists I "met" on the internet was a good old boy from Texas who had a stars-and-bars phase in his youth (which he moved completely past but it informs his understanding of rural racism from the inside). He was always going on about socialism for the farmlands. I should get in touch with that guy.

Very few people actually own their own farms any more except for hobbyists, or people who exploit illegal labor. Everybody else works as agricultural labor for land barons and agricorps. They are for sure open to the notion that agricultural labor should be controlling agriculture, and not absentee landlords or shareholders. The problem is actually being able to reach them.

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!



This picture hit the front page of reddit (/r/all) TWICE today. once on /r/socialism, and once on /r/pics.

It's interesting to read people's reactions.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
So are those actual guns? I mean it's Texas so it's totes plausible and legal probably but I'm still curious.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

GunnerJ posted:

So are those actual guns? I mean it's Texas so it's totes plausible and legal probably but I'm still curious.

Those are for sure real guns, baby.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
I guess one good thing about the next 4-8 years is that it will be very easy to take arms, citoyens.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Ruzihm posted:

This picture hit the front page of reddit (/r/all) TWICE today. once on /r/socialism, and once on /r/pics.

It's interesting to read people's reactions.

im kinda torn honestly, i think it's good to make racists poo poo themselves but this is also a good way to trigger the knee-jerk cold-war reactions

Deimus
Aug 17, 2012

Yinlock posted:

im kinda torn honestly, i think it's good to make racists poo poo themselves but this is also a good way to trigger the knee-jerk cold-war reactions

To be fair, pretty much anything that implies communists still exist triggers cold war reactions no matter what.

Deimus fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Nov 20, 2016

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004


are those FN FALs?

The_Politics_Man
Aug 25, 2015

Weeping Wound posted:

are those FN FALs?

not a gun sperg but it looks like aks and ar 15s

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


Once again the one woman in the group is afraid to have her face photographed alongside the lame, leftist dudebros

Fiction
Apr 28, 2011

Atrocious Joe posted:

Once again the one woman in the group is afraid to have her face photographed alongside the lame, leftist dudebros

actually far right dickheads love to doxx people, especially women. so

asdf32
May 15, 2010

I lust for childrens' deaths. Ask me about how I don't care if my kids die.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Very few people actually own their own farms any more except for hobbyists, or people who exploit illegal labor. Everybody else works as agricultural labor for land barons and agricorps. They are for sure open to the notion that agricultural labor should be controlling agriculture, and not absentee landlords or shareholders. The problem is actually being able to reach them.

USDA posted:

97 percent of US farms are family owned

https://www.agcensus.usda.gov/Publications/2012/Online_Resources/Highlights/NASS%20Family%20Farmer/Family_Farms_Highlights.pdf

100 degrees Calcium
Jan 23, 2011



jarofpiss posted:

my dangly earring and tight pants are gonna be a home run in rural mississippi and i think i'll finally have the proletariat organized if i can just yell at enough people about saying "illegal immigrant" instead of "undocumented worker"

This sounds more like a liberal thing

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



How much do the family owned farms produce compared to the giant industrial ones?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013


Land barons have titles that are technically "family owned." It's also easy to have a massive amount of family owned farms in absolute numbers, even though the bulk of commercial farming which actually delivers food to markets is performed by industrial farms.

http://sustainableagriculture.net/blog/total-2014-results/

quote:

Earlier this month, USDA released new findings that shed some light on who exactly owns the 911 million acres of farmland in the U.S. (excluding Alaska and Hawaii), and how they are managing that land now and in the future. USDA’s National Agricultural Statistics Service (NASS) and the Economic Research Service (ERS) jointly conducted the 2014 Tenure, Ownership, and Transition of Agricultural Land Survey (TOTAL) earlier last year. The results of this survey provide updated statistics to a prior study conducted in 1999.

The updated survey provides a wealth of information on the 2 million landowners who manage or rent out our country’s farmland. Key findings include:

39 percent of all U.S. farmland is rented or leased
80 percent of all rented farmland is owned by non-farming landlords
Rented farmland is valued at $1.1 trillion in total
91.5 million acres of farmland (or about 10 percent) are slated for ownership transfer in next 5 years
only 21 million of these acres are expected to be sold to a non-relative.

That means roughly 1/3 of US agricultural land is owned by absentee landlords.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/11/farms-are-gigantic-now-even-the-family-owned-ones/

The average size of individual farms is also getting much bigger, and while there are still a lot of small-scale farms, the mid-range 100-500 farms are slowly disappearing. 1,000 acres are about 1.5 square miles of land. No individual family could cultivate all of that on their own, which means they're all dependent on unlanded agricultural labor.
http://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-labor/background.aspx#Numbers

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Fiction posted:

actually far right dickheads love to doxx people, especially women. so

I can doxx all of them right now, men who live with their grandparents and sleep in beds without headboards

But seriously those guys are cool, especially as some Austin antifa were arrest last week during a Trump protest

Btw I'm allowed to be a good socialist and think Freddie de Boer is a bit of dick right?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Atrocious Joe posted:

Btw I'm allowed to be a good socialist and think Freddie de Boer is a bit of dick right?

I like Freddie de Boer, but he is definitely a dick and also pretty thirsty.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
hell im thirsty tol

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Darkman Fanpage posted:

hell im thirsty tol

:same:

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
does anyone know a good, open-access, criticism of neoclassical economics from a marxian perspective?

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006
*in extremely asdf32 voice* "actually i believe you'll discover that marxist economics is itself a neoclassical economics"

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

*in extremely asdf32 voice* "actually i believe you'll discover that marxist economics is itself a neoclassical economics"

horseshoe theory 2.0

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


NumberLast
Jun 7, 2014
:eyepop:

e: Kill me. Awful app is awful.

NumberLast fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Nov 21, 2016

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

any updates on #disruptJ20?

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

any updates on #disruptJ20?

There was a video on reddit that I posted a few times in the NODAPL protest stream last night. Can't find it atm.

Deimus
Aug 17, 2012

Fututor Magnus posted:

does anyone know a good, open-access, criticism of neoclassical economics from a marxian perspective?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBazR59SZXk

Well, there is David Harvey's reading of Das Kapital. It's really good and relatively easy with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4

There's also Richard Wolff's lecture 'Crisis and Openings'. There are a bunch of those.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Deimus posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBazR59SZXk

Well, there is David Harvey's reading of Das Kapital. It's really good and relatively easy with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Whccunka4

There's also Richard Wolff's lecture 'Crisis and Openings'. There are a bunch of those.

Good stuff, thanks. Anything from the academic literature?

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


oh boy jacobins livestreaming a party!

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

Fiction posted:

Syriza is pretty much why we need to have a vibrant left somewhere outside the EU.

Syriza would be fine if they actually followed through dropping the Euro. Unfortunately it looks like the Nazi's might get into power and implement it.

punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Nov 22, 2016

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

oh boy jacobins livestreaming a party!



Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
here come dat revolution of the workers

Man Musk
Jan 13, 2010

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

we've all been there

Hilario Baldness
Feb 10, 2005

:buddy:



Grimey Drawer
If we make a new thread one of the posts should be dedicated to listing the 500 different socialist parties.

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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

she got wealthy after her father bought a factory after the fall of the ussr which makes that thing all the more appropriate here

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