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Mirthless posted:What do you think the protests are if not condescending to the working class? In what way do the protests speak to the rage of a working class and promise a better future for them? lmao Working class people are the ones in the streets right now. The protests aren't condescending to the working class. I don't know how else to say this. You're literally sweating bullets worrying about how these protests will look to Deplorable Donna, who is never going to vote for a Democrat in a lifetime.
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Mirthless posted:What do you think the protests are if not condescending to the working class? In what way do the protests speak to the rage of a working class and promise a better future for them? how the gently caress is a mass protest condescending to anyone
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Groovelord Neato posted:"independents" are just lying conservatives wanting to pretend they're above it all. Yes, darn that Bernie Sanders, a conservative all alone! Fiction posted:I don't buy your anecdotal evidence that protests are gonna turn everyone towards trump. People do not like the guy, and are right to express themselves. Can I still think they are useless and mostly serve to make people feel like they've done something without any of the work involved in actually doing something? That they are largely lazy, purposeless ego gratification? I mean, I'm not gonna argue people shouldn't have the right to do whatever they need to do to make themselves feel better about this, but I'm not gonna act like I don't think it's a waste of time that could be better spent advocating for actual goals. Yinlock posted:how the gently caress is a mass protest condescending to anyone Yeah, the protests so far have mostly just been embarrassing rather than condescending.
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GlyphGryph posted:Yeah, the protests so far have mostly just been embarrassing rather than condescending. I mean the whole point of them is just to tell donald trump to go gently caress himself
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Nov 20, 2016 21:00
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GlyphGryph posted:Yes, darn that Bernie Sanders, a conservative all alone! I mean you can, but a lot of vulnerable people who are scared of what will happen to them are taking part in them, so I'm not sure if you or I know if that's the "right" reaction to have...
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Yinlock posted:how the gently caress is a mass protest condescending to anyone it's the "abolish the EC" portion of the protests What is that poo poo other than "we can't trust rural america to vote"? The EC is a pretty lovely and outdated institution but the election was decided by half a percent, people feel like the liberals want to cheat them out of their votes. If Hillary had won and lost half a percent of the popular vote, how would we be reacting to cries of the same?
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Nov 20, 2016 21:04
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Fiction posted:I mean you can, but a lot of vulnerable people who are scared of what will happen to them are taking part in them, so I'm not sure if you or I know if that's the "right" reaction to have... I mean, its not like I am going around putting them down, I am mostly trying to talk to people and convince them to get involved in more meaningful activism as well. I totally understand they are scared, I just dont get the impression most of them have any clue what they actually want their protesting to accomplish.
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Nov 20, 2016 21:06
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Groovelord Neato posted:"independents" are just lying conservatives wanting to pretend they're above it all. Well, I mean, that's literally true for pundits like Hannity and O'Reilly. Every time you accuse them of being republican shills they say  I'm an independent And that goes a long way to manipulating actual independents into leaning right, while at the same the only actual Independent in Congress (that is, a guy with an I in front of his name) is democratic socialist Bernie Sanders. It's a ridiculous term with no true definition
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Nov 20, 2016 21:10
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The more data and autopsies I look at the more convinced I am this was a long time coming. The slow slide into hell out of complacency during the Obama years for Dems hosed us real hard. We got slow boiled. Id be lying if I said I wasn't livid that Obama and the Est let the party wither away and day so now when it matters were all turbo hosed. This is why you need a grassroots message. Because were going to need to loving rebuild the base.
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Nov 20, 2016 21:14
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Fiction posted:Lol bullshit Not to mention: 1. Most Americans voted for Hillary. 2. He is the most disliked president elected in American history Trump's "victory" is due to our disgustingly broken political system. The electoral college is an ineffective anti-democratic construct that results in only around half a dozen states actually being focused on while virtually all else is being ignored. FPTP punishes people from voting for candidates they want and outright makes it impossible for anyone not from the two major political parties to win. If you fixed the American political process, there is no way that Trump would be president. Trump, was just elected, and has an unfavorability rating higher than it has been during any other time in Obama's entire eight years in office. This is NOT a quality system.
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Venom Snake posted:The more data and autopsies I look at the more convinced I am this was a long time coming. The slow slide into hell out of complacency during the Obama years for Dems hosed us real hard. We got slow boiled. Id be lying if I said I wasn't livid that Obama and the Est let the party wither away and day so now when it matters were all turbo hosed. Parties are not a substitute for a mass politics, and the vote is not a substitute for praxis. We don't just need to rebuild the base, people need the ability to become politically engaged in ways that don't involve voting or volunteering for a campaign.
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Venom Snake posted:The more data and autopsies I look at the more convinced I am this was a long time coming. The slow slide into hell out of complacency during the Obama years for Dems hosed us real hard. We got slow boiled. Id be lying if I said I wasn't livid that Obama and the Est let the party wither away and day so now when it matters were all turbo hosed. Everyone should watch this.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Parties are not a substitute for a mass politics, and the vote is not a substitute for praxis. We don't just need to rebuild the base, people need the ability to become politically engaged in ways that don't involve voting or volunteering for a campaign. I agree
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Nov 20, 2016 21:25
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comedyblissoption posted:you're really dumb if you actually think this about people not pledging their allegiance to one of the two corporatist warmongering political parties in a lot of states you have to register for a party to vote in its primary. if i stayed indie i couldn't have voted for bernard.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:reminder that trump still hasn't released his taxes and no one cares And no one should.
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Nov 20, 2016 21:33
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Venom Snake posted:I agree There's a massive reserve pool of labor in this country that could be mobilized to provide food, housing, education, and medical care to everyone that needs it. If the Democratic party itself took on the burden of these services, you'd be constructing socialism. There would be a mass of working people willing to pay dues to the party, and many more whose livelihoods would rely on it. The problem is the continued commitment to being a capitalist party of big business. It completely skews political priorities, when the survival of the Democratic party depends on donations rather than mass organization & mobilization. Leaving all of those services to the whims of electoral politics is an effective dead end, which encourages reactionary voting rather than strategic voting in the interests of a long-term political struggle.
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Nov 20, 2016 21:33
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punk rebel ecks posted:Not to mention: At least Hillary dodged that bullet.
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Nov 20, 2016 21:39
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Just got back from havertown dems moving forward meeting. Like 70 people there which was encouraging. I signed up for a newsletter and most of the business was info on how and where to volunteer. Pushed the fact we out number on registers, but dont get turn out. Learned a fun fact, I live in the most corrupt county in the country. Woo NE politics.
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Nov 20, 2016 21:50
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I used to live in havertown Good luck
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Digiwizzard posted:Back in July Chuck Schumer summed it up: “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.” Looks like the first half of that happened and the second did not.
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Nov 20, 2016 21:58
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Grondoth posted:Let's look at New York. Solid blue. The headquarters of the democratic candidate and new minority leader. The party should be vibrant and in control. This is their webpage. Slick enough, with the main draw being one or two sentences on their policies. Wanna get involved? Well, that's harder to figure out what to do. Although this page exists, those links are just forms to fill out. They don't tell you anything else about what to do and require you to put in effort at first to even get anywhere. If you want to learn about who to talk to, you'll be tricked if you try and look for information on the leadership because that's just full of glowing biograhpies about the congresspeople. The best you got is to go to the county page and hope your county has a good webpage. Or a webpage at all. Some don't even have phone numbers or addresses listed. Mind if I repost this on social media? Who/what should I attribute it to?
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So there is a post election meeting for the Dems in my county at 7:00PM tomorrow. The problem is that I won't be able to get their until 7:30PM as I have work, and I am not a registered Democrat. Should I still go or am I even able to?
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Groovelord Neato posted:in a lot of states you have to register for a party to vote in its primary. if i stayed indie i couldn't have voted for bernard. In most states there's literally no advantage to being independent. It just voluntarily excludes you from certain political processes. It doesn't prove a point, it doesn't send a message, it just fucks you in exchange for being able to smugly say "Actually, I'm independent." Register in a way that maximizes your political influence. If that means registering as a Republican to try and get more moderate candidates, do it.
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Nov 20, 2016 22:07
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punk rebel ecks posted:So there is a post election meeting for the Dems in my county at 7:00PM tomorrow. The problem is that I won't be able to get their until 7:30PM as I have work, and I am not a registered Democrat. Should I still go or am I even able to? I don't know how it works everywhere, but my meetings usually start 15 minutes late. I know that Republicans often check registration, never seen it for Democrats. If you're independent, you should be okay.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:In most states there's literally no advantage to being independent. It just voluntarily excludes you from certain political processes. It doesn't prove a point, it doesn't send a message, it just fucks you in exchange for being able to smugly say "Actually, I'm independent." Not true, sometimes in deep red country running as an independent is the only way to dislodge a lovely incumbent.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:In most states there's literally no advantage to being independent. It just voluntarily excludes you from certain political processes. It doesn't prove a point, it doesn't send a message, it just fucks you in exchange for being able to smugly say "Actually, I'm independent." In MA, as an independent I can pick one primary or the other to vote in every cycle  This is the first time I've ever actually done it, and I cared way too much about the Dem primary this year to play saboteur or moderate in the Republican one, but it's cool to have the option.
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Mirthless posted:It's not about giving him a chance, it's about giving the rest of America the perception that you're not dismissing their opinions out of hand before you have a chance to see the results. This isn't about Trump, it's about the working class who think (rightly) that we're elitists who do not respect them. "Sure he ran on a platform MAINLY made up of 'muslims and wetbacks out of america, also the jews but I'm not as overt about that' but come on, you can't look like you're not willing to see the results of those opinions". Like, I'm gonna have to play the 'half my family left europe during the early 40's' card here, I'm actually pretty secure knowing EXACTLY what the 'results' are and I do not want to see them here. I respect what GOT most of them to the point of voting for a literal white nationalist because he thinks the president has the power to force plants to stay in the country or whatever, but I think it's pretty rich to tell people we have to respect the ideas they supported.
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Hey guys, ask me if the Democrats have their own page for the city of Boston! Here's a hint: no.
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euphronius posted:I used to live in havertown My ward is probably hopeless unfortunately. But it sounds like we can maybe flip the commissioner committee if we really mobilize in other wards. Apparently the national sitting dems with the state diverted support from one of the local candidates because her district was gerrymanded. And people were pissed they couldn't get Hillary yard signs. It was a small part but more to the narrative of the national party giving up where it still needed to fight.
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loquacius posted:I'm a little confused by this summary because Colbert had Sanders on his show this month and seemed to Get It then, but I don't have time to watch this video rn
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Fullhouse posted:facebook used to have human editors that would verify trending stories before approving them, but they were accused of liberal bias (because reality has a liberal bias) and fired all their editors and replaced them with a computer that does no fact-checking maybe we could, i don't know actually act against and ban bullshit right-wing trash
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Azuth0667 posted:Not true, sometimes in deep red country running as an independent is the only way to dislodge a lovely incumbent. Oh, if you're running for office, have at it. The rules are totally different in that case.
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This is kind of a meaningless factoid because if Hillary had won it would have been true for her as well.
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LegoPirateNinja posted:It's a ridiculous term with no true definition
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Pollyanna posted:maybe we could, i don't know Agreed, let's ban icky sex too. Also things that are insulting. and most importantly things that portray America as not already great.
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