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Fojar38 posted:I am unbelievably triggered by the presence of Chinese state propaganda in that newspaper box. A Window to Chyyna
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apropos to nothing posted:mark blyth has been pretty prescient about the rise of the far right in the US and Europe and has been pretty accurate in predicting trump and brexit. heres one of his more recent talks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd2d4_LcEig I've got this video in my "to watch" bookmarks folder so welp, guess I know how the rest of my evening is going to be spent. Part of me flips between "AAAAAARGHffsjdfksdjfskjdfhsjkdfh" and "lol a facist is taking over the most powerful nation in the world and Americans are seemingly doing nothing to stop it. This'll be "interesting"" poo poo is accelerating into happening. I think this is a by-product of the fact that since the world wars - the big ones last century I mean - people have been living in a relatively peaceful world because all of last century there were people alive that had experienced what it's like if you let forces like these get so strong they threaten everything. After the ones that lived through it died, their children came into power and still remembered childhood memories of cowering in cellars hoping your building didn't get a direct hit, or had similar stories their parents told them to caution them. Then, a generation later, the people in power only had stories their grandparents or great-grandparents told them about the war, so it became an abstract thing. Now, there is pretty much nobody still alive that lived through the war and those that did are literally on their deathbeds after having defied life expectancy levels. There is no-one left in power in the developed world that has a true grasp on how bad things can get anymore, so they sit and push past limits, break conventions, discard common standards of how to conduct yourself as a person with real power, without realising the very reasons such limits and standards were established in the first place. The thing that was researched and invented that ended the war last time because it was so awesomely destructive will be the thing that kicks off the war this time round, because it is so awesomely destructive, and they will launch to naive cheers. Afterwards, there will be hardly anyone left to re-learn the lessons our great-grandparents learned first-hand. We've demonstrably not learned from history and we will repeat it as a result, only this time we will do so with 21st century tech. If it isn't Trump that starts the next Big War, it'll be someone else in a decade or two's time. Anyone thinking of replying with "there's no way WW3 will happen" ought to remember what got illuminated the last time we tried filtering "there's no way" predictions in threads gone by.
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Nov 20, 2016 22:51
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Everything is out the window. Including nuclear war.
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Sir Tonk posted:
Oh Jesus now. There are far better places in the DC area to get good Tex-Mex. Hell, just a couple blocks down the way you could stop in for tacos at district taco, that would be an improvement.
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Pollyanna posted:Everything is out the window. Including nuclear war. The possibility of nuclear war, which is unlikely imo, should be less terrifying than the certainty of crippling global warming and sea level rising.
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Nov 20, 2016 22:56
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Quorum posted:Oh Jesus now. There are far better places in the DC area to get good Tex-Mex. Hell, just a couple blocks down the way you could stop in for tacos at district taco, that would be an improvement. I wanted to experience where the House idiot caucus had their meetings. Didn't have time for Bens Chili Bowl this trip, gonna have to come back.
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Nov 20, 2016 23:00
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Lightning Knight posted:The possibility of nuclear war, which is unlikely imo, should be less terrifying than the certainty of crippling global warming and sea level rising. True. Climate change and rising sea levels are unavoidable. It's just a matter of time, likely catastrophic change within the next 10-15 years.
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Nov 20, 2016 23:01
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Sir Tonk posted:I wanted to experience where the House idiot caucus had their meetings. Didn't have time for Bens Chili Bowl this trip, gonna have to come back. It is true that "eats lovely Tex-Mex on the regular with all appearance of relish" is a deep insight into the unfathomable mind of a Tortilla Coaster.
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Pollyanna posted:True. Climate change and rising sea levels are unavoidable. It's just a matter of time, likely catastrophic change within the next 10-15 years. Yeah, I mean there are basically two possible catastrophic failure states for the Trump administration, on top of the baseline level of incompetent corruption. The first is them accelersting climate change and not doing anything to stop it, which is already happening and what we should focus on. The second is way more hypothetical, and amounts to "Russia invades a Baltic state and NATO/Western Europe collapses." We can't do poo poo about that until it happens, really. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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Well if it makes anyone feel any better we were way closer to nuclear war during like 95% of the Cold War so we're not exactly in uncharted waters.
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Lightning Knight posted:Yeah, I mean there are basically two possible catastrophic failure states for the Trump administration, on top of the baseline level of incompetent corruption. The first is them accelersting climate change and not doing anything to stop it, which is already happening and what we should focus on. The second is way more hypothetical, and amounts to "Russia invades a Baltic state and NATO/Western Europe collapses." We can't do poo poo about that until it happens, really. It really comes down to damage control, doesn't it? Climate change, minority rights, economic support...we're in for a rough 4+ years.
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Nov 20, 2016 23:09
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TheBigAristotle posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/800332639844659201 also, motherfucker goes by mad dog and is up for secdef? holy loving poo poo, batman!
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Lightning Knight posted:The possibility of nuclear war, which is unlikely imo, should be less terrifying than the certainty of crippling global warming and sea level rising.  can we not have both?
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Nov 20, 2016 23:13
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I am pretty sure he can't nominate him as others have stated.
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Pollyanna posted:True. Climate change and rising sea levels are unavoidable. It's just a matter of time, likely catastrophic change within the next 10-15 years. It's fine to be very concerned about climate change, it's not fine to make up alarmist bullshit like this which is not supported by any current models and which amounts to crying wolf. There will not be catastrophic changes in the next decade. Not even RCP 8.5 supports that.
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Hollismason posted:I am pretty sure he can't nominate him as others have stated. They're looking into getting a waiver for it. And if it's feasible (and this isn't just a head fake by Trump -- possible), it'll probably work out. I'm sure that the Republicans in Congress will be fine with Mattis as SecDef; he's broadly popular on the right.
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Nov 20, 2016 23:17
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There's no question really at this point that we're not going to war. Almost every person so far mentioned has a huge "Lets bomb and attack Iran" sentiment.
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 Good Job you loving morons. 
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Hollismason posted:There's no question really at this point that we're not going to war. Almost every person so far mentioned has a huge "Lets bomb and attack Iran" sentiment. It'll be nice to see the cognitive dissonance behind the eyes of all those people who voted for Trump because Hillary is a "warmonger" before I'm drafted and sent to die near Esfahan.
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Hollismason posted:There's no question really at this point that we're not going to war. Almost every person so far mentioned has a huge "Lets bomb and attack Iran" sentiment. This is in a way the most hosed up kind of good news. Yes I'll be sad that we're going to see a lot of people die, but it'll put Trump's fascism to a screeching halt. Trump's tough guy image will melt with his base the second the US tries this. Imagine if Hitler got routed trying to invade Poland. Iran has been spending 4 decades preparing for a war with us, the optics of a sunk aircraft carrier are impossible to spin.
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At least the Iran deal is more than just the U.S. and Iran. If Trump rips it up, the deal could still continue. A lot harder to make the argument for Iran invasion if the other major powers are aligned against you. The Bush Admin still felt the need to form a coalition of the willing for the Iraq invasion.
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Convergence posted:It's fine to be very concerned about climate change, it's not fine to make up alarmist bullshit like this which is not supported by any current models and which amounts to crying wolf. There will not be catastrophic changes in the next decade. Not even RCP 8.5 supports that. You should go look at the Climate Change thread. RCP 8.5's data in some places is being shown as not being negative enough, and Arctic Sea Ice is currently decreasing right now in the middle of polar night.
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I really really wish I had signed up for the National Policy Institute ( )'s conference so I could go and collect photos of everyone, since apparently journalists weren't given permission to do so and they all followed the rules. When's the next big Definitely Not The Klan meet-up? Hollismason posted:There's no question really at this point that we're not going to war. Almost every person so far mentioned has a huge "Lets bomb and attack Iran" sentiment. I'd say there's still a question as to whether or not someone will actually put the money where their mouth is, especially for an actual big ol' U.S. war, but the plausibility levels are way way way too high for comfort (especially for Iran if the nuclear deal goes out the window; Israel will probably ask Huckabee himself to hit the nuke launch button).
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Cactus posted:
We could but I really doubt it. It's not nuclear war I'm afraid of, it's the collapse of the global economic order if the EU and NATO die and we can't rely on European powers not trying to murder each other anymore. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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deathbysnusnu posted:This is in a way the most hosed up kind of good news. Yes I'll be sad that we're going to see a lot of people die, but it'll put Trump's fascism to a screeching halt. Trump's tough guy image will melt with his base the second the US tries this. Imagine if Hitler got routed trying to invade Poland. Iran has been spending 4 decades preparing for a war with us, the optics of a sunk aircraft carrier are impossible to spin. In declared war there is strong legal precedent for media clampdown.
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Crain posted:
 Now the right will carry guns in public and make threats.
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Quorum posted:Oh Jesus now. There are far better places in the DC area to get good Tex-Mex. Hell, just a couple blocks down the way you could stop in for tacos at district taco, that would be an improvement.
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Cactus posted:
In all fairness, nuclear winter would be a pretty effective way to reverse global warming
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deathbysnusnu posted:This is in a way the most hosed up kind of good news. Yes I'll be sad that we're going to see a lot of people die, but it'll put Trump's fascism to a screeching halt. Trump's tough guy image will melt with his base the second the US tries this. Imagine if Hitler got routed trying to invade Poland. Iran has been spending 4 decades preparing for a war with us, the optics of a sunk aircraft carrier are impossible to spin. Iran cannot win a war with the US.
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HorseRenoir posted:In all fairness, nuclear winter would be a pretty effective way to reverse global warming All that does is skip to the end. Remember the whole reason global warming is bad isn't the rising sea levels or massive societal disruption. Those are just the prologue. The problem is that it will eventually trigger a global ice age and mass extinction event.
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Fojar38 posted:Iran cannot win a war with the US. They can't but they would make it Iran-Iraq war levels of a quagmire.
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deathbysnusnu posted:This is in a way the most hosed up kind of good news. Yes I'll be sad that we're going to see a lot of people die, but it'll put Trump's fascism to a screeching halt. Trump's tough guy image will melt with his base the second the US tries this. Imagine if Hitler got routed trying to invade Poland. Iran has been spending 4 decades preparing for a war with us, the optics of a sunk aircraft carrier are impossible to spin. Does Iran have the capability to damage an aircraft carrier? I was under the impression you would need another Air Force similar in capability to the U.S. or anti-ship ballistic missles similar to what China was making.
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Fojar38 posted:Iran cannot win a war with the US. Jokes about dying in a foxhole outside of Ahvaz aside, I'm very skeptical of the idea that any "war" with Iran would involve actual ground troops, as opposed to just a general campaign of aerial and missile bombardments of their infrastructure in some sort of misguided boondoggle effort to remove their capacity to make nukes/export terror. Basically what we did to Iraq in the 90s, but a lot more intense. Deadulus posted:Does Iran have the capability to damage an aircraft carrier? I think they have Silkworm missiles (or something like that) that can take out a carrier if they get really lucky.
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Peven Stan posted:They can't but they would make it Iran-Iraq war levels of a quagmire. This is probably true. But the notion of Iran sinking carriers and routing US forces is a fantasy.
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Fojar38 posted:Iran cannot win a war with the US. Iran doesn't need to win in the traditional sense. It merely needs to be so dangerous that American losses would be unacceptably high to the public.
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Deadulus posted:Does Iran have the capability to damage an aircraft carrier? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002 Yes they have a sizeable amount of low flying anti-ship cruise missiles.
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HannibalBarca posted:Jokes about dying in a foxhole outside of Ahvaz aside, I'm very skeptical of the idea that any "war" with Iran would involve actual ground troops, as opposed to just a general campaign of aerial and missile bombardments of their infrastructure in some sort of misguided boondoggle effort to remove their capacity to make nukes/export terror. Basically what we did to Iraq in the 90s, but a lot more intense. Trump can't possibly imagine a war without his triumphant soldiers marching into Tehranistan or whatever and ripping down statues. That's not to say that just because we do a missile/airstrike war that Iran doesn't play hard ball and say annex Shia Iraq and it's oil fields, or launch retaliatory strikes in the neighborhood.
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Van Riper cheated in this and was pulling Red forces out of nowhere, pretending he was using motorcycle messages that traveled at the speed of light, and made up Iranian boats that were smaller than the armaments they carried. Then when he got booted off he went and cried to the media and successfully managed to turn a multimillion dollar military exercise into a joke cited by people on the internet who think that Iran Stronk
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Fojar38 posted:Van Riper cheated in this and was pulling Red forces out of nowhere, pretending he was using motorcycle messages that traveled at the speed of light, and made up Iranian boats that were smaller than the armaments they carried. Then when he got booted off he went and cried to the media and successfully managed to turn a multimillion dollar military exercise into a joke cited by people on the internet who think that Iran Stronk Iran has their own line of anti ship cruise missiles. Launch 80 of them at an aircraft carrier that's in a narrow gulf with enemy territory running its entire length and my money is on the missiles.
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