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Tired Moritz posted:You think at some point, they'll stop people from getting too close. Short of keeping people out of the area, there's not a whole lot you can do other than telling people they will die if they leave the boardwalk and oh, by the way, it's illegal to do so. It's the same with people who think it's a great idea to get up close and personal with a wild animal that weighs 3/4 of a ton and then are shocked when it tries to stomp them into a thin paste. At some point you just gotta go "Welp, we tried to warn them"
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okay then I guess people are just crazy risky with their lives and/or dumb.
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Tired Moritz posted:You think at some point, they'll stop people from getting too close. I assume you haven't been there, because short of simply keeping everyone on a bus (like they do at Denali), there's no way to put a guardrail around all the thermal features. Yellowstone is massive, and hot springs are everywhere. A quick Google suggests there are over 10,000 thermal features (including 500 straight-up geysers).
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Nov 17, 2016 20:25
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Tired Moritz posted:You think at some point, they'll stop people from getting too close. At some point morons will stop going so close. "Make nature Safe" is the wrong direction to go.
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Nov 17, 2016 20:27
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porktree posted:At some point morons will stop going so close. "Make nature Safe" is the wrong direction to go. They probably keep hoping they'll run out of morons at some point. But they seem to breed like rabbits, so it's unlikely.
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Nov 17, 2016 20:29
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People sometimes step out into the street without looking and get creamed, but we aren't going to fence in every road. At some point you just have to allow the morons to weed themselves out Darwin style.
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Nov 17, 2016 20:31
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Here's an unnerving article. http://www.zdnet.com/article/snoopers-charter-expansive-new-spying-powers-becomes-law/ George Orwell is rolling over in his grave.
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Nov 17, 2016 20:46
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Tired Moritz posted:okay then I guess people are just crazy risky with their lives and/or dumb. The PDF has like six pages with four photos each of warning signs they would've run into on the way there.  e: ganked from the OSHA thread: atomicthumbs posted:http://www.sfchronicle.com/college/ostler/article/Big-Game-s-most-gruesome-incident-Sizzling-10619405.php quote:Many of the folks who were either shut out or priced out ($1 tickets) found a perch to watch the game for free. Just across the street from the stadium was the brand-new San Francisco and Pacific Glass Works building, and 400 to 500 boys and men climbed onto the building’s metal roof, nearly five stories high, for a splendid view of the game. RNG has a new favorite as of 21:32 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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flosofl posted:Here's an unnerving article.  This planet is getting worse and worse every day
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There was a reddit thread about those illegally salvaged ships, and apparently the propellers were solid bronze, up to 8 of them per ship, and were worth salvaging alone. There was probably a bunch of copper in the old boilers too and steel was just gravy.
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Nov 18, 2016 03:16
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Basebf555 posted:They have very clearly marked signs, its illegal to go into these dangerous areas, and people are verbally warned about it constantly. The Park understandably doesn't want to add huge guard rails or fences if they don't have to because it would be an eyesore in a place that's meant to be like the ultimate in natural beauty that our country has to offer. Besides, it's not like those wouldn't be trivial for people to get over if they were determined enough.
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Nov 18, 2016 03:29
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Then there's that story that comes up about a guy's dog getting confused or whatever dogs do around geysers and running straight to it's death. Naturally it's owner ran right in after it. Still stupidity beyond stupidity but you have to think just loved that drat dog so much that he didn't have time to think about the death awaiting him. Then again, if he was trying to save his dog he most definitely knew it was dangerous/deadly or he wouldn't have been trying to save the dog in the first place. I say keep it how it is, there's no stopping these people. I guess I have made it such a habit to not follow local news that Container Man was only something I read about this evening despite living here with him. I saw that google maps screenshot of the house in the woods and thought, hey, I know that place, even the road name is the same, that's loving weird. Nope, not a coincidence, I know that road and the turn off that goes to that property. I do however remember the 2003 case and that's just nutty he was responsible for that too.. Unreal. Even seeing someone a few pages ago say basically this same thing in this very thread I immediately assumed it was a different state until I saw the news links. I thought for a moment that the Java Sea shipwreck thing might be where the USS Indianapolis was sunk and I would have been quite upset at anyone messing with that. I now know exactly where the Java Sea is and isn't. Same general area though. And if I had remembered the speech from Jaws better I would have known that ship was sunk by itself.
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duz posted:The world just keeps making better idiots. porktree posted:At some point morons will stop going so close. "Make nature Safe" is the wrong direction to go. An excerpt from the report of the incident: quote:I moved back, George unhooked me from the rope and harness system. At no time did I feel in danger due to all the precautions we had taken. I had been on previous trips with research geologists at some of the hot spring back in that area and saw them walk right up the edge of some of those hot springs - something I would never do.) Even the loving people who should know better don't even know better.
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Infyrno posted:Then there's that story that comes up about a guy's dog getting confused or whatever dogs do around geysers and running straight to it's death. Naturally it's owner ran right in after it. Still stupidity beyond stupidity but you have to think just loved that drat dog so much that he didn't have time to think about the death awaiting him. Then again, if he was trying to save his dog he most definitely knew it was dangerous/deadly or he wouldn't have been trying to save the dog in the first place. I say keep it how it is, there's no stopping these people. David Allen Kirwan on 20 July 1981 It was his friend’s dog. IIRC it’s the first incident in Death in Yellowstone: Accidents and Foolhardiness in the First National Park
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Platystemon posted:David Allen Kirwan on 20 July 1981 I think so. The really dry tone detailing every death made it hard for me to get far in the book.
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Platystemon posted:David Allen Kirwan on 20 July 1981 A bystander told him not to jump in. Kirwan's last words were "like hell i won't!" edit: actually im wrong, his last words were most likely "That was stupid. How bad am I? That was a stupid thing I did." Marijuana Nihilist has a new favorite as of 17:48 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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Platystemon posted:David Allen Kirwan on 20 July 1981 Just bought it, thanks for the recommendation!
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Marijuana Nihilist posted:A bystander told him not to jump in. Kirwan's last words were "like hell i won't!" Right up there for award-winning last words with "gently caress that alligator": http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7733946
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Right up there for award-winning last words with "gently caress that alligator": http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7733946 
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flosofl posted:Here's an unnerving article. 1. Holy poo poo. 2. Is this is even something that can be done? Can ISPs record all this? Is that burden legal? 3. fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. 4. Would VPNs defeat this? 5. dehumanize yourself and face to bloodshed
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You could also use a VPN and become politically involved so this poo poo is less likely to happen in future
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Nckdictator posted:Just was reminded of the Arlis Perry murder. I knew her very well. When I was a child, she and her family went to the same church as mine. She was at different times my Sunday school and bible school teacher. Very, very sweet and warm person--she was always reaching out to the "lost" and rumor at the time was that this was possible a contributing factor to the way she was killed. It was unimaginable that someone could do what was done to her. North Dakota was pretty sheltered in those days and that whole thing was a pretty rude awakening.
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Chard posted:1. Holy poo poo. I know someone who works at a telco in Australia and something similar was being floated here, and his response was basically that it would require an insane amount of storage to keep everything stored even for a month
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having been to yellowstone the sheer level of stupidity required to think about actually getting into one of the thermal pools is unreal. the extremely strong smell of sulfur, strange colours of the pools and the fact they're almost all visibly boiling means anyone trying really deserves what happens to them
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Platystemon posted:David Allen Kirwan on 20 July 1981 Thanks for the correction and for recommending the book, I'm going to check that out.
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Jose posted:having been to yellowstone the sheer level of stupidity required to think about actually getting into one of the thermal pools is unreal. the extremely strong smell of sulfur, strange colours of the pools and the fact they're almost all visibly boiling means anyone trying really deserves what happens to them I would be down for some sort of charge levied at the estate of people who died in the pools based on the fact their body oils and poo poo probably mess up the pools in some way. Im pretty sure it would reduce the amount of idiots and if not well more money for parks is always a plus. Also a charge for messing with the animals would be nice. Telsa Cola has a new favorite as of 20:36 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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I thought they do press charges for messing with animals.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I thought they do press charges for messing with animals. The fines are hilariously small for it, the tourist who took a calf which caused it be abandoned by its herd and euthanized got charged $110. Apparently other charges are pending but they will also be likely laughable if any of them go through. Many times people just don't get charged too and warned off.
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Telsa Cola posted:a charge for messing with the animals would be nice. Sometimes the animals provide the charge themselves 
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I'm pretty sure that dumb animals wandering into the pools is a thing that happens fairly often. Just because some of them have opposable thumbs I don't think that's going to mess anything up.
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Yeah, there are plenty of bison bones and etc in the pools.
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Telsa Cola posted:I would be down for some sort of charge levied at the estate of people who died in the pools based on the fact their body oils and poo poo probably mess up the pools in some way. Im pretty sure it would reduce the amount of idiots and if not well more money for parks is always a plus. Also a charge for messing with the animals would be nice. Yeah, the people who ignore the signs saying "DANGER DO NOT TOUCH BOILING SULFUR POOLS" are definitely going to shape up when they see "DANGER DO NOT TOUCH BOILING SULFUR POOLS ALSO IF YOU FALL IN YOUR BODY OILS AND poo poo PROBABLY MESS UP THE POOLS IN SOME WAY SO WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOUR FAMILY $500"
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A Pinball Wizard posted:Yeah, the people who ignore the signs saying "DANGER DO NOT TOUCH BOILING SULFUR POOLS" are definitely going to shape up when they see "DANGER DO NOT TOUCH BOILING SULFUR POOLS ALSO IF YOU FALL IN YOUR BODY OILS AND poo poo PROBABLY MESS UP THE POOLS IN SOME WAY WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOUR FAMILY $500" KM Scorchio posted:I'm pretty sure that dumb animals wandering into the pools is a thing that happens fairly often. Just because some of them have opposable thumbs I don't think that's going to mess anything up. Make it $5,000 dollars and Im pretty sure you will see a change. If not, well its more money to help with park funding and clean up and preservation. Human skin oil actually fucks up geologic features something fierce in a way that other animals bodies don't, also I am not finding of any articles discussing the amount of wildlife that falls into the geysers and I honestly doubt it is as common as you are suggesting, the one article I did find had one geyser that had the remains of one calf. They are pretty apparently geologic features in the animals territory, they would know they are dangerous and not something you just enter. Bison remains in or around geysers don't actually prove they died from falling in either. Telsa Cola has a new favorite as of 02:20 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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Telsa Cola posted:Make it $5,000 dollars and Im pretty sure you will see a change. If not, well its more money to help with park funding and clean up and preservation. Human skin oil actually fucks up geologic features something fierce in a way that other animals bodies don't, also I am not finding of any articles discussing the amount of wildlife that falls into the geysers and I honestly doubt it is as common as you are suggesting, the one article I did find had one geyser that had the remains of one calf. They are pretty apparently geologic features in the animals territory, they would know they are dangerous and not something you just enter. It would take far more than 5k to prove someone intentionally fell in a hole in court. Like now you'll have a dead guy, ruined geyser, and a 50 to 100k legal fees of which they can recoup 5k. And as you pointed out even animals have the sense to not die in them, so if you are somehow dumber than a bison we should just put on a sign on that person to remind them to stay home.
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Telsa Cola posted:Make it $5,000 dollars and Im pretty sure you will see a change. Hm, death? I laugh at death. But $5,000...
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Telsa Cola posted:I would be down for some sort of charge levied at the estate of people who died in the pools based on the fact their body oils and poo poo probably mess up the pools in some way. Im pretty sure it would reduce the amount of idiots and if not well more money for parks is always a plus. Also a charge for messing with the animals would be nice. Tears up sheet marked 'yellowstone suicide dive plan' dammit
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Telsa Cola posted:The fines are hilariously small for it, the tourist who took a calf which caused it be abandoned by its herd and euthanized got charged $110. Apparently other charges are pending but they will also be likely laughable if any of them go through. Many times people just don't get charged too and warned off. Two words: jury nullification
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Telsa Cola posted:Make it $5,000 dollars and Im pretty sure you will see a change. If not, well its more money to help with park funding and clean up and preservation. Human skin oil actually fucks up geologic features something fierce in a way that other animals bodies don't, also I am not finding of any articles discussing the amount of wildlife that falls into the geysers and I honestly doubt it is as common as you are suggesting, the one article I did find had one geyser that had the remains of one calf. They are pretty apparently geologic features in the animals territory, they would know they are dangerous and not something you just enter. Fines only work as a preventative measure when people are aware of them beforehand and change their behavior to avoid them. If people aren't staying away from the geysers under threat of death, why do you think they'll be fazed by a fine?
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