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Dolash posted:Edit: A question about how Battletech as a franchise handles its changing aesthetic over time - I'm assuming when they do stuff like redesign what a mech looks like, that's just for the sake of the new edition and we're to quietly assume a Warhammer always looked like that and not the old way, right? Rather than being an explicit in-universe "new model" of mech that is replacing the old model (especially since people jump around the timeline a lot). I guess if ever pressed there could be some hand-waving about there existing lots of variant appearances for the more common mechs. It varies. The Warhammer and etc. all got major redesigns as part of Project Phoenix, to make them more competitive on the "modern battlefield," so in-universe they simply got improved armor layouts and most pilots upgraded their machines to the newer appearance. The Cauldron Born's a little different, since it was (as far as I can tell) created explicitly for Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries. You encounter precisely one and it's got both murderous AI and a bad (fun) tendency to headshot you with its Gauss rifle. It was a completely unique design at the time and didn't get a TRO entry until later.  It then got redesigned before ever getting an official mini, for Mechwarrior 3. It lost its hips and made its first ever appearance in fiction around the same time, piloted by one Mechwarrior  The mini then came out sometime between Mechwarrior 3 and Mechwarrior 4 (I think it was around 2002, I remember being incredibly stoked to bump into one at my FLGS). The Cauldron Born is a long-time favorite of mine aaand... I wasn't really a fan of this version of it. S/N: #20-758 (I'm including this for a reason)  Then Mechwarrior 4 came out and the 'torso on legs' designs just wouldn't work with torso twisting, so they got redesigned again. A little sleeker this time, but even less reminiscent of the original.  Then, back in 2012 (give or take) the Cauldron Born mini had received a resculpt bringing it up to the Mechwarrior 4 standard, something which I only just found out about today.   Mechwarrior Online then came out and released the Ebon Jaguar as part of Clan Wave 3 on June 16, 2015, with a model basically like the original Iron Wind Metals version with hips.  They're all the same `Mech, it's just that most have hips and some don't. 
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The MW2 version does have a certain Earthsiege feel about it.
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Nov 19, 2016 02:54
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I always liked the lack of torso-twist for certain mechs in the earlier Mechwarrior games, but I guess that was implementable thanks to the ability to move a mech's arms independent from its torso, something Mechwarrior 4 really lacked beyond twisting the arms side to side.
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The Cauldron Born is one of my favorite mechs. Right up there with the Kodiak and the Awesome.
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PoptartsNinja posted:The Cauldron Born's a little different, since it was (as far as I can tell) created explicitly for Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries. You encounter precisely one and it's got both murderous AI and a bad (fun) tendency to headshot you with its Gauss rifle. It was a completely unique design at the time and didn't get a TRO entry until later. Naw, TRO 3058 came out before MW:2 Mercs, and I remember my most frequent opponent christening his Cauldron Born A' "Ugly," for that the late '90s fig surely was.
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The Merry Marauder posted:Naw, TRO 3058 came out before MW:2 Mercs, and I remember my most frequent opponent christening his Cauldron Born A' "Ugly," for that the late '90s fig surely was. And I remember it in the Invading Clans book, which was before TRO 3058. A number of the Clan mechs from 3058 were in Invading Clans first, but the only ones that ever stuck out to me were the Cauldron Born and the Crossbow.
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Cascade Jones posted:And I remember it in the Invading Clans book, which was before TRO 3058. A number of the Clan mechs from 3058 were in Invading Clans first, but the only ones that ever stuck out to me were the Cauldron Born and the Crossbow. Yep. Looking at it right now. Copyright on Invading Clans is 1994. TR:3058's 'Mechs seems to be compiled from designs introduced in other sourcebooks. Other than the Inner Sphere omnis I'm not sure if any of the Clan or Inner Sphere 'Mechs in that book are originals.
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Carbolic posted:Yep. Looking at it right now. Copyright on Invading Clans is 1994. It's a real TRO:3067, except the mechs are much more boring. (That book made me sad.)
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Nov 20, 2016 11:37
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A, mostly to even out the voting, since I'm cool with any of these, with slight preference to A and B.
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Nov 20, 2016 15:52
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Voting's dying down and it's still very close, so if you're still undecided now's the time to make your voice heard.
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As awesome as all three options are, I've got to go with B. The Scorpions have been waiting to wreck the Widowmakers for a long time now, and it feels like the right time to make it happen.
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Nov 20, 2016 19:18
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C for plot, though I would like to see a G-Scorp game.
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Nov 20, 2016 19:19
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C
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Nov 20, 2016 19:24
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It's the option I voted for last time, so I'm sticking with B.
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Nov 20, 2016 22:46
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C. Let's see some hard plot.
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Nov 20, 2016 22:58
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I'm going to take B, it's a fun scenario and PTN is clearly dying to show us what he's come up with.
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Nov 20, 2016 23:11
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Let's see some player side elementals B.
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Nov 20, 2016 23:20
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Voting for the Taurian Concordat, because those lovable, nuke-happy space Texans haven't gotten enough air-time, and they look like they want to vie for the crown of "Team Space Warcrimes"
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Nov 21, 2016 02:50
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I would most like C to succeed, but I think B will be the more compelling mission to play/watch, so I'll go with B.
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Nov 21, 2016 02:50
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C For maximum Capellan mustache twistery
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Nov 21, 2016 02:51
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Hey PTN, if we get to choose our battle armor loadouts, are Fire Elementals with AP gauss rifles an option?
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Bloody Pom posted:Hey PTN, if we get to choose our battle armor loadouts, are Fire Elementals with AP gauss rifles an option? Standard Elementals only, unfortunately.
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Ablative posted:Standard Elementals only, unfortunately. Well, he did mention a twist which we are not yet party to.
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Ablative posted:Standard Elementals only, unfortunately. Darn, I really wanted my inferno-immune jump-capable 9-range sandblaster squads. 
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Voting C because it's the plot thread I'm most interested in right now.
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Nov 21, 2016 04:51
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Not sure what to vote for but any of them will work out in a fun way. Just waiting on the next write-up on the story.
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Nov 21, 2016 04:55
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C for Taurian Concordat - Capellan Confederation Clusterfuck.
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Updated tally: A: 27 B: 50 C: 37
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Nov 21, 2016 09:40
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Throwing A a vote to help their off-screen chances
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Nov 21, 2016 14:32
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B
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Nov 21, 2016 16:40
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B Not because I have a grudge against taurians or capellans or anything...
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Sad to see that A almost certainly won't win, but it has my vote in any case.
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I'm voting A anyway for the best drat mercs there are.
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Nov 22, 2016 18:37
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Pussy Cartel posted:I'm voting A anyway for the best drat mercs there are. A isn't a vote for the best mercs there are. A is just a vote for the best mercs new indentured servants. 
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Nov 22, 2016 19:23
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Vote for A partially to keep them from being slaughtered offscreen.
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Nov 22, 2016 21:48
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Voting for A Both A and B sound really good to me though
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Nov 22, 2016 23:29
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Calling the vote now so I can do my usual map stuff. Looks like we'll be seeing our first ice planet in a while!
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PoptartsNinja posted:Calling the vote now so I can do my usual map stuff. Eagerly awaiting the giant, gaping chasm to snipe across.
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Zebulon posted:Eagerly awaiting the giant, gaping chasm to snipe across. Ok. Where'd you put the camera? Edit: I also considered ice floes, but no one would ever walk out on the ice if there was a chance they'd be lost forever. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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