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Darren Rovell from ESPN commented on how NASCAR needs more parity in its champions and fans are replying in bunches essentially saying "NUH UH". Then Steve O'Donnell, like a good boy, toed the line with a week burn about not watching the sport.
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CBJSprague24 posted:Jimmie never had to win a title over 36 races. Jimmie's thing has been like running a race: "Well, we're not perfect, but just wait for the caution late in the going. We'll bolt four on it, tape up the nose, break late, and go like hell in the last 10 races." You can't just say "let's change the format" and then assume the results wouldn't change too.
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Nov 21, 2016 02:12
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Jimmie was preferable to the other Chase contenders NASCAR, also, is bad
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Nov 21, 2016 02:55
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Jimmie Johnson is the least bad of the three 7-title drivers. By the way: Team 3-time (DW/Stewart/Pearson, with Cale reserve) loving kicks Team 7-time (Johnson/Earnhardt/Petty)'s collective asses.
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Nov 21, 2016 02:57
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https://twitter.com/Vintage_Mods/status/800528219170553856 gonna steal viking's thunder here.
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CBJSprague24 posted:Darren Rovell from ESPN commented on how NASCAR needs more parity in its champions and fans are replying in bunches essentially saying "NUH UH". The problem is...no one really "cared" about who the season ending champion was prior to the whole Newman-Kenseth debacle. I can remember the thing being discussed on PTI and agreeing that Kenseth winning it was horseshit at the time, but my concern was always to who'd win Daytona, Coke 600, Bristol and Indy. But I never recalled "caring" that much.
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Nov 21, 2016 03:55
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Did TFF change your avatar?
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Nov 21, 2016 04:03
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Boomer The Cannon posted:Did TFF change your avatar? Yes. I need a new one. Advice for such would be greatly appreciated. 
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Nov 21, 2016 04:05
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Jimmie Johnson owns fyi
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Nov 21, 2016 06:00
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Weird NASCAR's ratings and ticketsales are down i wonder why [gives the same unlikable guy the championship 7 times in 11 years] it keeps happening!!!
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Nov 21, 2016 06:04
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Where's that Chase format randomizer so we can figure out what next year's format will be?
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Nov 21, 2016 06:21
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Peanut President posted:Weird NASCAR's ratings and ticketsales are down i wonder why He's good, but the system they've designed to give him the title is complete garbage and it makes you feel "cheated". Not his fault he's in position to scam the lovely system has set up. I think it's a bit more complicated than JJ winning the amount of titles he's won. Jeff was on a similar level and NASCAR experienced the highest level of growth a racing series has ever seen.
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Nov 21, 2016 06:35
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I still think the chase is still a solution in search of a problem. That said I like the current iteration over any other one, but I prefer traditional points. Plus, Alan Kulwicki won the championship in 1992 while only winning 2 races that year. I want to see someone do that now 
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iospace posted:I still think the chase is still a solution in search of a problem. That said I like the current iteration over any other one, but I prefer traditional points. I'm more impressed with the concept of hyping up the Winston Million/No Bull 5 "Grand Slam" races than having a 10 race "playoff" that we currently have. I feel that was more so a step in the right direction rather than the direction they elected to go.
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Nov 21, 2016 07:51
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FuzzySkinner posted:I'm more impressed with the concept of hyping up the Winston Million/No Bull 5 "Grand Slam" races than having a 10 race "playoff" that we currently have. A million times this. The races are presented in terms of their relative importance to the championship: 26 equal races of whatever, 9 of a little more, then 1 that matters more than everything before it. There's very little, if any, lip service given to the marquee races - they're all just another identical step toward The Chase.
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Nov 21, 2016 08:14
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tater_salad posted:I don't think a top fuel cars engine would last, they're built to "live life a quarter mile at a time. Thousand feet, nowadays. They were getting too fast and one of the legendary drivers died, so Top Fuel is on a shorter track now. But even if the engine did blow up at half a mile, they could probably take some class records coasting through the traps. Edit: can a Cup engine last more than 600 miles, if not flat-out? I'm imagining the most ridiculous street car. take a Cup car, put proper lights and windshield wipers on... Boomer The Cannon posted:On the other hand, Johnson beats Earnhardt in Daytona 500 wins, Brickyard 400 wins, Coke 600 wins, Southern 500 wins.... Nice retirement party for Smoke, though. Kinda disappointed his boys didn't pull through and get him at least an owner's championship for his final season, but ce la guerre. I can't imagine Dale Sr. ever retiring, pretty sure dying on the track was the best/only way for him to leave the sport. FuzzySkinner posted:I'm more impressed with the concept of hyping up the Winston Million/No Bull 5 "Grand Slam" races than having a 10 race "playoff" that we currently have. I'm betting on Danica to win the big five and the championship next year (and also figuratively grow a pair and do Double Duty). (not toxx or even actual money, because I'm expecting to lose, but a man can dream.) Chillbro Baggins fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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Krista also suggested Jimmie was the greatest driver to ever race on four wheels, which is probably accurate in a world in which Mario Andretti and Michael Schumacher never existed, to say the least
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The correct two is Mario and AJ, loving Schumacher only won in F1 and is a plebe by comparison.
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Schumacher was an above average F1 champion at best, to include him in a group with Andretti is laughable.FuzzySkinner posted:I think it's a bit more complicated than JJ winning the amount of titles he's won. Jeff was on a similar level and NASCAR experienced the highest level of growth a racing series has ever seen. I don't think the English language has the words to describe just how little Jimmie's success has to do with NASCAR's ratings problems. wicka fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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CBJSprague24 posted:Where's that Chase format randomizer so we can figure out what next year's format will be? Double points finale in a desert dictatorship
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Delivery McGee posted:Thousand feet, nowadays. They were getting too fast and one of the legendary drivers died, so Top Fuel is on a shorter track now. But even if the engine did blow up at half a mile, they could probably take some class records coasting through the traps. Dale was scored 12th in his final Daytona 500.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I'm more impressed with the concept of hyping up the Winston Million/No Bull 5 "Grand Slam" races than having a 10 race "playoff" that we currently have. What they could do is give double points to the Daytona 500, Talladega race 1, Brickyard 400, Coke 600, and Southern 500. All of those races are pre-chase. One thing that I think NASCAR could do, and a lot of purists will be pissy about this, but drop a couple of the 2nd time around at a track and replace them with road courses. gently caress, have a road course in the chase first round. Also, tracks that have two races. Courses marked with a *X have a race in the Chase with the X being the round in the current format: -Daytona -Phoenix *8 -Martinsville *8 -Texas *8 -Bristol -Richmond -Talladega *12 -Kansas *12 -Dover *16 -Charlotte *12 (also the All-Star "Race") -Pocono -Michigan -New Hampshire *16 The only tracks to only host a chase race are Chicagoland (Round of 16) and Miami (Championship). The other 8 are all repeats.
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exploded mummy posted:Dale was scored 12th in his final Daytona 500. 2016 Fans: "Dying shouldn't excuse you from the 100% rule." 
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Actually gently caress it. NASCAR should go full on GT4 spec and only use US cars with one foreign manufacturer 
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Michael Schumacher and early-2000s Ferrari made F1 permanently irredeemable. I still want to know why NASCAR was quick to throw the caution for a flat tire on the 32 yet waited most of a lap to put it out for Stenhouse having slammed the wall. (e- Even Leigh Diffey on NBCSN said "Caution is out....no? No caution?  ") Closest thing I've seen to "let's set this up juuuuuuust right" since Talladega last Fall and "That wasn't a restart".wicka posted:I don't think the English language has the words to describe just how little Jimmie's success has to do with NASCAR's ratings problems. One driver having absolutely annihilated NASCAR's system(s) meant to make more thrilling title hunts by winning seven of the last eleven titles (and 7/13 in which it's been offered) can't be helping. e- It doesn't help that the dominant driver has the personality of a wet dishrag. To be fair, if it were Stewart/Junyer/maybe Gordon, people probably wouldn't be complaining, while if it were Kyle, they'd probably be even madder. iospace posted:What they could do is give double points to the Daytona 500, Talladega race 1, Brickyard 400, Coke 600, and Southern 500. All of those races are pre-chase. One thing that I think NASCAR could do, and a lot of purists will be pissy about this, but drop a couple of the 2nd time around at a track and replace them with road courses. gently caress, have a road course in the chase first round. Points really don't matter in this system because a win almost guarantees a Chase berth so long as one is in the Top 30. Now counting those races for double win credit? That might work. CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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CBJSprague24 posted:Points really don't matter in this system because a win almost guarantees a Chase berth so long as one is in the Top 30. Now counting those races for double win credit? That might work. How exactly would double win credit work here if it's "win one and you're in" for the most part?
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A GIF History of The Chase: https://twitter.com/NASCAR/status/800715540671107072 iospace posted:How exactly would double win credit work here if it's "win one and you're in" for the most part? Chase seeding is done by number of wins.
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CBJSprague24 posted:I still want to know why NASCAR was quick to throw the caution for a flat tire on the 32 yet waited most of a lap to put it out for Stenhouse having slammed the wall. (e- Even Leigh Diffey on NBCSN said "Caution is out....no? No caution? They almost never need to throw a caution when they do, they just do it to contrive drama (duh). There's been several times in the past when the racing was so good that NASCAR suddenly turned into a reasonable organization and held off on throwing the yellow for a minor spin or flat tire. CBJSprague24 posted:One driver having absolutely annihilated NASCAR's system(s) meant to make more thrilling title hunts by winning seven of the last eleven titles (and 7/13 in which it's been offered) can't be helping. It's sure as poo poo not the cause, though.
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Some more hot takes/spitballing: -Eldora for all levels. -Allow Xfinity drivers to race in Sprint, but not vice versa. I have no problem with crossover for Trucks given the differences in cars. -Expand the field for marque races, namely the Daytona 500. -Trash the Chase, completely. And as said prior, reduce some of the repeat races and maybe add more road courses. Also, doesn't New Hampshire have a road course configuration? I know LeMons races there.
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There's no way they get rid of the Chase when it's so insanely effective at creating drama.
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The Chase is the anchor weighing this sinking ship down and you better be drat sure that they're going to cling to it until NASCAR is dead.
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The time to abandon the Chase would've either been 2007 or 2010 when they could've said "Well, It's not going anywhere, though it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Chase v5.0 next year with some sort of regular season champion recognition and/or first-round bye.
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But real talk right now: NASCAR has an image issue, and it has nothing to do with the on-track product. Brian France was pretty open about his support of Trump. Some big name racers supported him, and there was the Trump truck. NASCAR has long had the image of being for rednecks, brought to you by rednecks, and filled with redneck drivers. I think partially why the Jeff Gordon years were so popular was because suddenly you have this northerner who isn't one of the good ol' southern boys not only winning, but winning constantly. This was also helped by CART completely falling apart in the 90s. Now the whole Southern Boy image has come roaring back, and it definitely turns people off. A Mexican winning Xfinity is a glorious double barreled middle finger to France though The other thing is racing as a whole is on a downswing, and that could be for a multitude of reasons which could be argued till the cows come home. e: I'm talking top level, big name series here being on a downswing compared to their glory years. IndyCar, F1, and NASCAR all are running into problems with attendance, though Indy's have been around for longer than the other two's. F1 has the added problem of on track product sucking right now if you're not driving a Mercedes (though that's for the Worst Thread), and NASCAR is trying really, really hard to recapture that lightning in a bottle it had in the 90s to the early 2000s. iospace fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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Isn't motorsport viewership down as a whole? Pretty sure Jimmy Johnson doesn't have poo poo to do with that.
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iospace posted:But real talk right now: NASCAR has an image issue, and it has nothing to do with the on-track product. Everything about the product in terms of racing quality and the Chase is also completely bleeding viewers from the traditional crowd, too. So nobody wins. And Suarez winning is everything NASCAR wants, because they can point to him and say "look we're not racist!"
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Norns posted:Isn't motorsport viewership down as a whole? Pretty sure Jimmy Johnson doesn't have poo poo to do with that. Pretty much. I mean, the Indy 500 was pretty much the race everyone and their mother would watch, and while it still has massive in person attendance, TV viewers have dropped. They had problems even getting the traditional 33 cars this year.
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kidcoelacanth posted:And Suarez winning is everything NASCAR wants, because they can point to him and say "look we're not racist!" Sort of to a point. They tried asking France about him winning and his views on Trump, and France ran faster than a Top Fuel car.
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iospace posted:But real talk right now: NASCAR has an image issue, and it has nothing to do with the on-track product. I think you're half right. That "Southern Boy" image is what built NASCAR's original core audience, and the opposite of that (e.g. Gordon) coincided with the explosive growth in the 90s that led NASCAR to the level of success they're used to today. But I think they're wrong to assume that drivers like Gordon are directly responsible for that. The reality is that virtually all spectator sports grew massively in the 90s, and it helped to have basically no competition in top-level American motorsport. What they should be doing now is doubling down on their core audience, but that requires accepting that the sport must shrink in the short-term in order to maintain long-term success. No one is self-aware enough to do this, so they're just going to keep trying to recapture that broad, casual audience that they probably can't recapture, and it doing so they'll alienate their oldest fans.
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iospace posted:Sort of to a point. They tried asking France about him winning and his views on Trump, and France ran faster than a Top Fuel car. Right. That's all they have to do now. Talk about how proud they are of their Mexican champion, push him as a huge upcoming star, and they're exonerated for being lovely. It's great for Daniel but it's a huge win for NASCAR getting off scott-free. Incidentally, NASCAR is now Scott-free. I wonder who takes the 44 next year.
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