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lifts cats over head posted:The more I think about it the more I think the techs are also hosts. There are subtle hints to the possibility but I just think from a business standpoint it would make sense to just have hosts do the grunt work jobs. I like to imagine that they are unpaid interns and the real world is a crushing capitalistic hellscape.
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What if MiB = Arnold. Arnold got killed and Ford replaced him with a host and sent him back into the world so nobody would realize. A stakeholder in the park he controls. He has been going to the park for 30 years so Ford can keep up with his programming and aging. The maze quest he is on is Ford either loving with him or trying to push him towards full sentience so he can have his old buddy back.
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Nov 21, 2016 16:27
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I like the idea brought up already that Felix is a host and now sees Maeve as human and can't kill her. Obviously having him be a human with the same feelings wouldn't be much different but I think it would sit better with people. It would also jive with Silvestre's embryo quip which brings up Brave New World with all the Ford trappings that has.
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Nov 21, 2016 16:28
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Escobarbarian posted:How do people who think anyone who could possibly believe the two timelines theory is a dumb piece of poo poo or whatever explain MiB recognising the host who introduced William to the park? Would be nice for someone to acknowledge that instead of just acting all arrogant. Ford repurposed a lot of hosts recently for his new storyline. Both Talulah and El Lazo are encountered by different people after playing their initial roles and being repurposed.
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Nov 21, 2016 16:29
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JossiRossi posted:The idea is that in the present she is retracing the steps she and William took in the past. There's been multiple times Dolores has seen flashes of scenes she is in where no one in around. Like at the river, she sees a body that looks like hers and freaks out a bit. Then she looks around and all the bodies and William are gone. The possibility (and I'd say even likelihood as I've started to come around to the idea) is that these flashes of empty scenes are the present interrupting her perfect memory re-experience of past experiences. What makes things confusing is that she is remembering William which was also a time her programming was hosed up and she was having problems knowing if she was in the present or not. Powershift posted:Kind of a cop-out how they dance around the aliens theory. They could have pulled the head off minotaur bro to show he was the predator from predator.
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Nov 21, 2016 16:30
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KoRMaK posted:I could see that Depending on how the bullets work, they might be bots that have covered themselves in human flesh as a body armor against the magic bullets. Do the bullets penetrate based on sentience or flesh feel?
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Nov 21, 2016 16:33
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Powershift posted:Depending on how the bullets work, they might be bots that have covered themselves in human flesh as a body armor against the magic bullets. Gordon Shumway posted:Guys, I think some of you are getting distracted from the really important question of how the bullets work.
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Nov 21, 2016 16:35
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:It's not really clear, is it? Do we give the showrunners poetic license to do things like that without explanation in the name of "that's cool" or does everything have to be really there? Anything that doesn't make sense, a
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Nov 21, 2016 16:42
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Escobarbarian posted:How do people who think anyone who could possibly believe the two timelines theory is a dumb piece of poo poo or whatever explain MiB recognising the host who introduced William to the park? Would be nice for someone to acknowledge that instead of just acting all arrogant. He implies that she is a very old host and since he's been there a billion times it follows that he would recognize her Especially since this is a new storyline and they explicitly state that they've retasked hosts from all around the park to be in it
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Nov 21, 2016 16:44
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The brazenness of Maeve's jaunts around the repair center is ridiculous. I can buy the shift changes and things, but you'd think someone would notice a host holding a programming pad and actively messing with it. Surely they have cameras. P
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Nov 21, 2016 16:45
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I mean poo poo build a security host team who never get tired and has the capacity to monitor for irregularities 24/7.
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Nov 21, 2016 16:46
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I'm glad Stubbs noticed Bernard was acting all weird. He seems like the least dickish person in the company right now.
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Nov 21, 2016 16:48
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I still can't understand why anyone doesn't believe the butcher's motivations. One guy wants to genuinely help a conscious person to be free, the other's a fuckwit who got his throat slashed. Seems pretty clear and simple, why would you brick her?
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Nov 21, 2016 16:48
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Wyatt and his cult are Ford's story line. We know because he gave Teddy a backstory that put him as one of Wyatt's men. That's why Wyatt's men know Teddy and want him back. They aren't Guests acting nutty or Hosts loose in the park being all crazy. Ford made a cult and made them all like level 99. That's all.
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Powershift posted:Depending on how the bullets work, they might be bots that have covered themselves in human flesh as a body armor against the magic bullets. This has not been explained, and it may never be. My guess is that they are something like rubber bullets, but the hosts bodies are built to respond to the impact with an exaggerated effect (explosive charges under the skin for example) In truth, the why isn't all that important. We know that nothing is stopping a host from stabbing or bashing a guest beyond their programing, but they are allowed to shoot guests freely because the rounds won't maim or kill. Makes one wonder about what PVP would be like in game. D-Pad posted:What if MiB = Arnold. Arnold got killed and Ford replaced him with a host and sent him back into the world so nobody would realize. A stakeholder in the park he controls. He has been going to the park for 30 years so Ford can keep up with his programming and aging. The maze quest he is on is Ford either loving with him or trying to push him towards full sentience so he can have his old buddy back. There are no written records of Arnold, nobody outside of Ford seems to know who he was exactly, just that he was instrumental in building the park. I don't think Arnold was ever a human being, he was likely a host given agency over his own code much as Maeve has been given, early in the park's history and Ford used him to create a more authentic consciousness for the hosts.
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Nov 21, 2016 16:49
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Codependent Poster posted:I'm glad Stubbs noticed Bernard was acting all weird. He seems like the least dickish person in the company right now. it's funny because I had Stubbs pegged as the "employee who is actually a robot." I hated the MiB monologue about his stupid loving family, I wanted a little more to him than that. I don't even give a gently caress about if he's William now but I thought the 2 timeline thing made sense based on how quick El Lazo would have to be repurposed, going from some poor villager to crime boss was a little too much.
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Nov 21, 2016 16:50
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Democratic Pirate posted:I mean poo poo build a security host team who never get tired and has the capacity to monitor for irregularities 24/7. And then have an AI program made by Arnold awaken a host and program the rest of the hosts not to see her as she wheels down the hall. With humans you can claim incompetence and with hosts you can claim ghost code.
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Nov 21, 2016 16:50
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Ford doesn't actually care about being a god, he just likes getting rich off all the paychecks that go to host-employees.
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Nov 21, 2016 16:50
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Codependent Poster posted:I'm glad Stubbs noticed Bernard was acting all weird. He seems like the least dickish person in the company right now. Ford is going to be undone because he underestimates actual human beings.
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Nov 21, 2016 16:50
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Democratic Pirate posted:I mean poo poo build a security host team who never get tired and has the capacity to monitor for irregularities 24/7. You are becoming hysterical.
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Nov 21, 2016 16:52
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just wanna say to everyone that poo poo talked me for being the first one on the MIB=William, 2 timelines and Bernarnold/Bernandroid theories; suck my fuckin rear end
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Paulocaust posted:just wanna say to everyone that poo poo talked me for being the first one on the MIB=William, 2 timelines and Bernarnold/Bernandroid theories; How's that head doin champ?
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Nov 21, 2016 17:00
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:How's that head doin champ? the assssss suck it
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Paulocaust posted:just wanna say to everyone that poo poo talked me for being the first one on the MIB=William, 2 timelines and Bernarnold/Bernandroid theories; uh.. those have all been proven false though
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Nov 21, 2016 17:03
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Paulocaust posted:the assssss Reported. Enjoy your ban
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Dr. Tim Whatley posted:uh.. those have all been proven false though MIB ain't proven to be William yet but if the host that first greeted William being a different character in the MiB/Teddy storyline (not to mention he recognizes her and remarks that she's been repurposed) wasn't a dead giveaway for the 2 timelines then I don't know what is. Also Bernard isn't a robot? Wow, I must really be watching this show the wrong way.
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Nov 21, 2016 17:07
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:Reported. Ahahahahaha look at my rap sheet and ask me if I care you peon gently caress
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Nov 21, 2016 17:08
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MinibarMatchman posted:it's funny because I had Stubbs pegged as the "employee who is actually a robot." Yea, that was... I mean, lol that his daughter says he's a bad guy even though he never really did anything bad in real life. That would be like having your GTA history used against you. Or your SA history
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Nov 21, 2016 17:08
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:And then have an AI program made by Arnold awaken a host and program the rest of the hosts not to see her as she wheels down the hall. With humans you can claim incompetence and with hosts you can claim ghost code. That's a good point. Hopefully the next episode fully breaks Maeve's story from the current loop of: Sylvester: We seriously can't do this Felix: But we can't hurt her Maeve: You'll do this or I'll shank/expose you Sylvester: Okay Felix then you do it I like the ideas of loosely connected human errors adding up to a critical failure - lately the only humans involved with Maeve have been Felix and Sylvester. Since Maeve owns them entirely, her story hasn't been all that interesting to me.
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Nov 21, 2016 17:08
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There are two timelines. In one timeline I'm watching a show starring Ed Harris, Anthony Hopkins and Jeffrey Wright and it's just wonderful. In the other timeline I'm having to sit through near-unwatchable garbage. Unfortunately these timelines are constantly intersecting and it's impossible to separate them.
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Nov 21, 2016 17:10
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imagine four time lines on the edge of a cliff...
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Nov 21, 2016 17:13
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ozmunkeh posted:There are two timelines. In one timeline I'm watching a show starring Ed Harris, Anthony Hopkins and Jeffrey Wright and it's just wonderful. In the other timeline I'm having to sit through near-unwatchable garbage. Unfortunately these timelines are constantly intersecting and it's impossible to separate them. Good actors barely saving (or failing to save) bad writing is pretty much every Nolan project
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Nov 21, 2016 17:14
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JossiRossi posted:Dolores would be travelling alone in the present following the path she recalls of the time she was travelling with William following hints she recalls from when she was first brought online. This seems the most likely outcome to me at this point, given William disappearing during Delores' panic by the river, and MiB's recognizing the introduction host.
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Democratic Pirate posted:That's a good point. Hopefully the next episode fully breaks Maeve's story from the current loop of: I'm hoping they're done with that and, going forward (depending on how her stint in Behavior shakes out), we get more of Maeve having fun with console commands. Season finale: she Googles the global turn-off-ai console command and everyone in the entire show but her shuts down.
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Nov 21, 2016 17:26
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One thing I'm wondering about, is what's going to set off when Maeve encounters MiB now. Iirc, she basically said "no the memories don't matter because they were fake," but MiB was real. When she sees him the next time how fast is he going to end up bleeding out? Also has anybody mentioned how weird it is that the devices used for fixing hosts work just as well on humans? That has some crazy implications as to why the hosts don't have power sources, and how close to human they might be. And Beardy Tech didn't get a huge scar or something like I was expecting, he's just completely healed minus a little bloodloss. Maybe the medical implications are more valuable than the park and its code, if it's not commonly used outside the park and some kind of trade secret.
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Nov 21, 2016 17:36
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:Good actors barely saving (or failing to save) bad writing is pretty much every Nolan project The Maeve storyline was intriguing at first but has since become some weird pastiche of Weird Science meets Dumb and Dumber. Maeve's "subtle manipulation" essentially consists of giving the techs menacing stares while delivering evil villain monologues and their reaction is to accede to her demands each and every time despite having an easy out at each step. Felix and Sylvester are cats, you guys, they're domesticated animals - pets even - but they're being ever so curious, you guys, I wonder how many lives they have left.. look how clever we are. gently caress off with this bullshit and give me more Anthony Hopkins.
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I don't think there's any implications to the medical devices at all- We know it's all future tech, and the hosts are biologically human, there's no reason to think that certain devices would only work on them.
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coyo7e posted:Also has anybody mentioned how weird it is that the devices used for fixing hosts work just as well on humans? That has some crazy implications as to why the hosts don't have power sources, and how close to human they might be. And Beardy Tech didn't get a huge scar or something like I was expecting, he's just completely healed minus a little bloodloss. Nah man, it confirms that at least Sylv is a bot and he is def not even a 14.
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IMB posted:Yeah, anyone who thinks they re-shot part of this show to troll reddit isn't exactly playing with a full deck. Whoops, sorry. I thought they were filming as they were going. Winks to the timeline thing doesn't have to be in response to fan reactions, as they are very very clearly alluding to it very frequently. I'm not saying that the MiB recognizing the greeting host is 100% proof of the time thing being correct, I'm saying it's 100% proof that the creators are aware of it and dropping a clue of it to the audience. If anyone can't see that, watch the show with captions on and stop being a dummy who misses the obvious. Quick Draw McGraw posted:He implies that she is a very old host and since he's been there a billion times it follows that he would recognize her Ashrik fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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Gwaihir posted:I don't think there's any implications to the medical devices at all- We know it's all future tech, and the hosts are biologically human, there's no reason to think that certain devices would only work on them. "Hosts are biologically human" lol - somebody skipped a day in bio class
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