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Gringostar posted:Racism shouldn't be rewarded, even if they're working class. What was your old account, dude? I'm really curious now...
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icantfindaname posted:Wouldn't you rather the racists vote for you than for Trump? Like, clearly there are at least some people who can be persuaded to vote for you with non-white supremacist messages who don't pass the wokeness test, but you're basically saying gently caress off, we don't want your vote, vote for Trump instead Sure if they're voting for me because racism isn't why they're voting for me. If I have to be racist to get their vote then no, gently caress them.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:What was your old account, dude? I'm really curious now... https://forums.somethingawful.com/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=27691
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As it is, no one is reaching out to racist voters as racist voters, they are reaching out to them as people who are part of groups which are harmed by the current situation, and whom would benefit from left economic reform.
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thechosenone posted:As it is, no one is reaching out to racist voters as racist voters, they are reaching out to them as people who are part of groups which are harmed by the current situation, and whom would benefit from left economic reform. True but the problem is, they want to hear "we will reopen the coal mines" and the left is offering "$15 minimum wage and banking reform" if you lost a well paying mining job, who cares about the minimum wage if you can't live on it anyway?
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lol c'mon dude, which permabanned poster are you?
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Trabisnikof posted:True but the problem is, they want to hear "we will reopen the coal mines" and the left is offering "$15 minimum wage and banking reform" if you lost a well paying mining job, who cares about the minimum wage if you can't live on it anyway? They want to hear less of "WE'RE GONNA PUT YOU OUT OF WORK" and more of "WE WILL GET YOU JOBS"
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:They want to hear less of "WE'RE GONNA PUT YOU OUT OF WORK" and more of "WE WILL GET YOU JOBS" Somehow Coding for Rednecks got mocked too.... Tight Booty Shorts posted:lol c'mon dude, which permabanned poster are you? You realize toxx permabans can rereg right? You don't have a "live one" here.
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Trabisnikof posted:Sure, but even if she screamed "$15 or fight!" at top of every speech I doubt the message would resonate. Replace Clinton with MOM and it is still true. We'll never know, tho, because she didn't.
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Thalantos posted:We'll never know, tho, because she didn't. Well if we make sure and run on only Economic Populism in 2018/2020 we can find out!
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Trabisnikof posted:Sure, but even if she screamed "$15 or fight!" at top of every speech I doubt the message would resonate. Replace Clinton with MOM and it is still true. Idk man maybe the message would resonate if we didn't ram the almost textbook definition of a weathervane through the primary 
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Trabisnikof posted:Somehow Coding for Rednecks got mocked too.... IDK what you're talking about here.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:So, all the working class latinxs, black people, and asians that went from Obama to Trump are racists? And you'd rather keep on hilariously losing elections rather than admit that maybe we shouldn't demonize the working class? Anyone of any race can be a racist, and the left never demonized the working class until after the election. Heck, among voters to whom the economy was the most important issue - Hillary won by a large margin. Obama lost to Romney on that. Even if the exit polling was a little off, Hillary didn't do worse on the economy than Obama. We need to stop pushing this fallacy that the Democrats lost because they are just acai bowl eating elitists living in the Upper West Side, or Georgetown, and their biggest worry is that their local Starbucks ran out of almond milk. Let's recognize that these white working class voters have a range of concerns beyond the economy that Trump likely won on.
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Forgall posted:If you have no compassion to people who are far more disadvantaged and vulnerable than you are, then why should anybody feel compassion for you? Why do you deserve it? This is a politics thread. I can tell you as a German and as American well in Germany since we have universal health care I know that we, as a community, try to restribute the wealth
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Trabisnikof posted:Well if we make sure and run on only Economic Populism in 2018/2020 we can find out! Good loving thing no one is saying this!
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There was actually nothing exceptional about Hindu Bae Gabbard's statement on Trump, btw. She said essentially the same thing as Bernie did when Trump won.
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Trabisnikof posted:True but the problem is, they want to hear "we will reopen the coal mines" and the left is offering "$15 minimum wage and banking reform" if you lost a well paying mining job, who cares about the minimum wage if you can't live on it anyway? Banking reform doesn't do much for someone who still has to cash all their paychecks. To the extent it makes their lives better, it's in a very abstract and attenuated manner.
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Trabisnikof posted:True but the problem is, they want to hear "we will reopen the coal mines" and the left is offering "$15 minimum wage and banking reform" if you lost a well paying mining job, who cares about the minimum wage if you can't live on it anyway? I've heard that coal mining jobs were not really that numerous anyway. As it is, there can't be nothing they can do in their town. There is always something broken, something to be fixed, something to be improved. As it is, there should be some way to them doing something, It isn't as if we have everything we want, and can do no more to improve things with effort. I'm not exactly an expert, but I imagine if these towns are really not that built up, it might even be an idea to relocate people to where they can do something. Not even to the city or something like that, just somewhere they can make a difference. We could totally have people contribute to projects outside their local area, while providing them a temporary place to hang out while doing so. This would provide them what they need to subsist, and money to send back home. Sorry if this sounds a little word salad, a bit distracted.
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TyrantWD posted:Anyone of any race can be a racist, and the left never demonized the working class until after the election. Yeah I don't remember the pages of "gently caress all the white people in Ohio" from previous threads when the polls were coming out with the state going 1% trump either
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demonicon posted:This is a politics thread. I can tell you as a German and as American well in Germany since we have universal health care I know that we, as a community, try to restribute the wealth
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Trabisnikof posted:Well if we make sure and run on only Economic Populism in 2018/2020 we can find out! You're a complete idiot. No one is loving saying this. Edit: except for German posters
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Business Gorillas posted:Idk man maybe the message would resonate if we didn't ram the almost textbook definition of a weathervane through the primary You thinking '92 Clinton or '72 McGovern when you think of a Democratic candidate running on a working class message? Tight Booty Shorts posted:Good loving thing no one is saying this! I mean, the one German guy is. Plus I don't know how you promise to keep the rust belt open to defeat Trump and also do something about climate change.
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Lmfao, a bunch of major people in the media agreed to a totally off-the-record meeting with a narcissistic nutjob and then it went poorly. Holy christ you people are bad at basic reporting.
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Trabisnikof posted:
Can I point out that everyone was slapping down that one German guy instead of nodding in agreement
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Trabisnikof posted:You thinking '92 Clinton or '72 McGovern when you think of a Democratic candidate running on a working class message? We don't have to make things which pollute to increase work there. Heck, making things greener would incite MORE work to be done, not less.
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For half a second I thought "man that might backfire for Trump" then I remembered which reality we live in.
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TyrantWD posted:Anyone of any race can be a racist, and the left never demonized the working class until after the election. Heck, among voters to whom the economy was the most important issue - Hillary won by a large margin. Obama lost to Romney on that. Even if the exit polling was a little off, Hillary didn't do worse on the economy than Obama. You seem to think that these working class folk are pulling poo poo out of thin air in order to justify voting for trump and it's not true. And your analysis of the election results are completely wrong btw, Hillary LOST Obama voters, she didn't make any meaningful gains with any race or group of people. The election was a choice between "more of the same" or "change" and voters chose "change"
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My economic burdens have gotten worse under Obama. Just about everyone I know this is true for. I mean, Jesus, I just want to go to work and be able to come home and not worry about where my next meal is coming from, our if I'll be able to afford gas to get to work. I'm just talking basic necessities. Everyone is hosed.
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thechosenone posted:We don't have to make things which pollute to increase work there. Heck, making things greener would incite MORE work to be done, not less. But that was the core of Clinton's ineffective economic message. I wish it had worked, trust me.
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Trabisnikof posted:You thinking '92 Clinton or '72 McGovern when you think of a Democratic candidate running on a working class message? The one german guy? Really Trabis? Is your brain really that hosed? Also theres this new thing called GREEN ENERGY JOBS that are high tech, no one is saying we have to go mine coal and burn it in order to get these people some economic prospects.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Also theres this new thing called GREEN ENERGY JOBS that are high tech, no one is saying we have to go mine coal and burn it in order to get these people some economic prospects.
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Thalantos posted:My economic burdens have gotten worse under Obama. Just about everyone I know this is true for. My economic burdens have gotten worse as well under Obama. Also, the VA got noticeably worse under him too.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Also, the VA got noticeably worse under him too.
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donaled "the wind kills all your birds" trump, known advocate for green energy, according to forums poster and world champion dumbass tight booty shorts
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The craziest thing about all of this is that people seem to be honestly arguing that Democrats have hosed the poor. Like it's just an accepted fact and we should give the Republicans a chance because they're nicer to poor people, even though they're sometimes racist about it. Are you loving kidding me? Every single criticism you could possibly toss at the Dems about economic issues applies a hundred fold to the Republicans. You're mad at the Democrats for not....abolishing capitalism? What the gently caress? Everyone in this thread is acting like this election means we all just agreed to toss out capitalism and the only debate is whether or not to toss out the Muslims with it. You're downright objectively stupid if you think the Republicans are going to do one thing to help the poor. They don't give a poo poo. You know the loving motto.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:The one german guy? Really Trabis? Is your brain really that hosed? I hear you. That's the argument we made all through the general. But be honest, imagine you're a longwall coal miner, you have a highly specialized and well paying job for your community. Would you believe they're really going to retrain you and stick you and your entire mine crew in a job that pays as well in some wind turbine factory? I'd mock it as "coding for rednecks" too.
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Quorum posted:I'm really gonna need some polling data to suggest that "cared too much about the icky trans people" was the defining issue that caused people to not vote for Democrats Surely it's a bigger factor than the "angry about Hamilton" demographic. Surely.
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Al-Saqr posted:she regularly receives support from hardcore hindu nationalists who hate muslims. I am currently under the impression (with a quick skim and some limited preknowledge) that she A) got a lot of support from the Hindu diaspora as a whole, which yes, does include nationalist shitbags, and B) is pretty actively pro-Modi and pro-Modiist-shitbags, but if you have any more specific stuff I'd love to read it. I mean, A and B are certainly worrying enough, A in the sense that they don't think she's a vile Muslim-loving liberal and B in all senses, so mostly B. A is roughly equivalent to asserting that receiving a pan-American-Muslim group that contains some shitheads means that the shitheads don't actively disavow the recipient, which is worse than the alternative but neither necessary nor sufficient. (Personally I'd cite the gently caress out of the parts where she actively expresses support for Modi as an anti-Islamic-extremist visionary instead) Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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the black husserl posted:The craziest thing about all of this is that people seem to be honestly arguing that Democrats have hosed the poor. Like it's just an accepted fact and we should give the Republicans a chance because they're nicer to poor people, even though they're sometimes racist about it. there are two strains to this argument 1) fair weather socialists who, instead of working within the system, prefer to crow about how the democrats lost because they failed to implement full communism now 2) people who sincerely are not paying attention to economic policies and believe in disproven ideas like supply side economics
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