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Business Gorillas posted:this kind of attitude is literally why we lost 2016 You were reading my post too fast if you thought I was saying the same as the other guy. I was talking about the fetishization of "honest blue collar work", not saying that guys who actually do that are worthless. I'm just saying it isn't the only "honest work" and a guy with a degree is just as worthwhile a human being, not a "coastal elite" as the Trumpists sneer at them.
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Pollyanna posted:This guy is a fake CEO btw, so this is assuredly bullshit. Yeah, as soon as I looked at the website linked from his Twiiter it became immediately obvious we were all being trolled.
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Xibanya posted:https://twitter.com/Evan_McMullin/status/800842920873979904 Other than Social Issues McMullin's policies were pretty centrist. Even on Social issues he wasn't that out there. The dude would have crushed anyone in the general. I mean for fucks sake the guys pointed out that environmental regulations were a positive.
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MizPiz posted:I won't lie, after going through over a year of the media dismissing your campaign as a joke and expecting you to be gone be the next week, I'd have done the exact same thing. If anyone deserves to have their noses rubbed in Trump's victory, it's those chucklefucks. Or maybe, just maybe, the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of the United States should be able to handle criticism without seeking vengeance afterward.
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HorseRenoir posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/800885097775955974 I think the question now is why should he give one.
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TheScott2K posted:Changing lightbulbs, resetting breakers, and tightening loose toilet fill hoses doesn't demonstrate skills. You can teach anyone to do it in a day. The fact that they replaced him with a teenager whose knees don't need breaks is testament to that. His skills amount to "I can do odd jobs around the house, as long as it doesn't require permits or a license because I'm not up on any of that poo poo." so what's your solution? a disaffected shrug and a "sorry, you should try a little harder next time"?
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Mantis42 posted:The Wall actually will be built and will probably do an okay job of stopping border crossings, please do not take John Oliver's stupid bit seriously. You should probably worry about literally any of Trump's other policies which will be a thousand times worst than his stupid vanity project. I'm not so sure about that. All through Texas, the border runs through private land. Is Trump going to pay landowners for the land? Is he going to compensate anyone whose business is adversely affected by impeding animal migration? No? So the wall's actually not going to get built, then? Trabisnikof posted:Why will the wall be better than the fence they already have? Realize catapults and ramps are already used to get over the border fence. And this, yes.
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Nov 22, 2016 04:23
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the black husserl posted:the media didn't dismiss his campaign as a "joke", what are you talking about? cnn and msnbc and every other network covered his campaign reverently and gave him billions of dollars in free exposure. they normalized him and made his presidency possible. he should be thanking them. They gave him billions of dollars in free exposure because he was an entertaining clown who brought in viewers. No one actually took him seriously as a candidate save for a couple of fringe media personalities. They made his presidency possible by playing into the "media as arrogant elitist" stereotype whenever they discussed the election.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What position in the government does McMuffin have again? He was a spook.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What position in the government does McMuffin have again? According to his official site: "On September 11th, 2001 Evan was in training at CIA Headquarters in Langley, Virginia. He completed his training and repeatedly volunteered for overseas service in the Middle East, North Africa and South Asia, spearheading counterterrorism and intelligence operations in some of the most dangerous places on earth. Having completed his CIA service, in 2011, McMullin transitioned to the Investment Banking Division at Goldman Sachs in the San Francisco Bay Area, where he worked with companies in several industries, including technology, energy, consumer goods, biotech, industrials and real estate on capital raising projects and mergers and acquisitions. In 2013, McMullin joined the House Committee on Foreign Affairs as a senior advisor and later became the chief policy director of the House Republican Conference." https://www.evanmcmullin.com/about_evan
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Business Gorillas posted:so what's your solution? a disaffected shrug and a "sorry, you should try a little harder next time"? The entire point of my first post about this was that I don't know what the solution is, at least not in this political climate. You were clearly too butthurt at my failure to add "calloused hands" to the list of things all Americans should reflexively worship to comprehend what I was actually saying. For the record, some form of UBI is probably the best thing we could do for people in that situation so their kids at least won't go hungry and will have a roof to study under, but it takes some rosy loving assumptions for that to even work in theory.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:gently caress I was hoping he was at least a congressman somewhere. He will be in 2018 
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Acid Haze posted:Or maybe, just maybe, the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of the United States should be able to handle criticism without seeking vengeance afterward. Nah, you're just in the wrong universe. Please let us know when you find the right one.
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Business Gorillas posted:the inability for establishment democrats to understand that people just want to make a thing they can be proud of, clock out at the end of the day, and have live in reasonable comfort and stability until their joints give out is the reason why we lost, actually They want it, but can the politicians give it? Trump is willing to lie up and down about that, but in reality it's *hard*. Democrats have been working on enticing back plants to the Detroit area, with some success, but if you could wave a magic wand for full employment,they would have done so. There's no secret up their sleeve. Honestly, those days weren't all they were cracked up to be for everyone. Not every town had a huge supply of sweet jobs at an auto parts works. There were plenty of ghost towns even back then. Mostly ex-agricultural towns grappling with the fact that the work of 30 farm hands was now done by a guy, a dog, and a mechanical harvester. Those jobs *never* came back, and any politicians claiming at the time they could bring them back would have been liars.
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TheScott2K posted:He will be in 2018 You do understand this is an independent who caucuses with the republicans, right? Let him take up office in his state, fine, I don't want him near the federal government. Saying, "I don't like Trump!" or "I don't like racism!" doesn't mean he won't drop right into lock-step with congressional or senatorial republicans.
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Acid Haze posted:You do understand this is an independent who caucuses with the republicans, right? Let him take up office in his state, fine, I don't want him near the federal government. Saying, "I don't like Trump!" or "I don't like racism!" doesn't mean he won't drop right into lock-step with congressional or senatorial republicans. I'm not the least bit interested in supporting him, I just think he's got a hell of a profile for a Congressional candidate in Utah or maybe Idaho now.
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MizPiz posted:Nah, you're just in the wrong universe. I'll let you know when I find my flying, way bigger on the inside, police call box.
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Business Gorillas posted:so what's your solution? a disaffected shrug and a "sorry, you should try a little harder next time"? Here's a more pertinent question: Why should we take your constant barrage of self interested and self righteous diagnoses of THE 2016 ELECTION seriously when you can't even demonstrate the rudimentary reading comprehension to realize that Scott2k is empathizing with people in these situations while lamenting that there is no clear cut path forward for helping them? Captain Oblivious fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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Xibanya posted:According to his official site: I didn't know you could get an MBA, totally ignore that poo poo for at least a decade, and then get an investment banking job at Goldman.
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disjoe posted:I didn't know you could get an MBA, totally ignore that poo poo for at least a decade, and then get an investment banking job at Goldman. Nothing crooked here, no sir, just a wide ranging résumé. Don't think about it too much.
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Xibanya posted:https://twitter.com/Evan_McMullin/status/800842920873979904 If Evan McMullin was running as the republican nominee, I might have voted for him.
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Business Gorillas posted:this kind of attitude is literally why we lost 2016 pretty much this, what an rear end in a top hat that guy is...
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Business Gorillas posted:you forgot the rest of the sentence: Holy poo poo this too, sorry I'm catching up on the thread but youre right on the money again You really ARE a BUSINESS GORILLA
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Covok posted:If Evan McMullin was running as the republican nominee, I might have voted for him. The Democratic nominee was also against white supremacists....
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Good night uspol. Remember, we are all friends here. I think you guys are great.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHg50mdODFM
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Samuel L. ACKSYN posted:It's years and years old, it's something to do with how it's the Korean equivalent to "hahaha", or something like that and was often seen in text chat in some online game (Starcraft?) and then became a meme and then taken over by the alt-right. It's what "lol" is translated to for the Alliance when spoken by the Horde.
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:Humanity will go extinct in 80 years. Don't be a hyperbolic twit.
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thechosenone posted:Good night uspol. Remember, we are all friends here. I think you guys are great. nite dawg GreyjoyBastard posted:Don't be a hyperbolic twit. Thought this said hyperbaric lol
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thechosenone posted:Ultimately, I think it is just best to include more people. We don't have to exclude people to do that. White people? They have plenty of common problems with minorities, since the majority of white people are not rich. White men? Similar to white people in general, they share a lot of common problems with people. You know what isn't a problem they have? Minorities. Democrats, socialists or anyone else like that which they only think are a problem. In reality, they are not affected by some person who has little power anyway, and so it is hypothetically easy to gather them together into a group then it would be for republicans to do so, since there are conflicting interests in that political group. Racists don't ride the bus, it's full of those people (i.e., minorities). That's the problem. In theory, improving bus service to white neighborhoods should be good for white people, particularly poor whites...but in practice, white neighborhoods often actively reject and fight against mass transit improvements in their area because they're afraid it might bring more minorities into their carefully segregated neighborhood. You know what I'm absolutely sick of? The presumption by so many people in this thread that the Dems don't have an economic message and never tried to appeal to white people. Guess what? They do, and they did - it's just that white people rejected the appeals because respectable hard-working self-sufficient fellows like them haven't sunk so low as to need help from the government, and in fact, the only "help" they need is for government to stop taking their money away via taxes to give to the lazy worthless slacker insert minority here. Can we work on seeing if there's a way to improve the Dems' economic message? Sure. But let's not pretend there's a captive audience just waiting for the Dems to acknowledge that they exist - they're waiting for a very specific message, one that conflicts very heavily with a lot of the Dems' basic principles. The Dems that managed to get the white working class appeal you're fantasizing about were the Blue Dogs and Third Wayers everyone hates so much - and ultimately, most of them got cleaned out by Republicans over the past few elections, because Republicans didn't have to engage in an awkward balancing act every time someone blamed their economic problems on immigrants or taxes.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Thought this said hyperbaric lol Hyperbaric twits are often a problem that solves itself.
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Main Paineframe posted:Racists don't ride the bus, it's full of those people (i.e., minorities). That's the problem. In theory, improving bus service to white neighborhoods should be good for white people, particularly poor whites...but in practice, white neighborhoods often actively reject and fight against mass transit improvements in their area because they're afraid it might bring more minorities into their carefully segregated neighborhood. Obama was able to do it Just don't pull a Hillary and tell them directly that youre gonna put them out of business, dawg. It's not hard, we could have easily won, if only we assuaged a few more voter's fears about being able to get good jobs.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Obama was able to do it I'm really really curious who these mythical white Obama voters who switched to Trump were, and how many they number.
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Business Gorillas posted:this kind of attitude is literally why we lost 2016 I don't know what you do for a living, but in my experience as a relatively young blue collar worker you see people at every stage of that career/life path all the time. There's the eighteen-year-old kids who romanticize blue collar work or whatever, but in reality it doesn't interest them at all so they never engage with it and learn. Instead they just don't wear PPE and make a lot of mistakes but their fingernails are dirty so they are real men who share "MINIMUM SKILLS DESERVE MINIMUM WAGE" Facebook memes daily from their $10/hr thrones. Last year this 28-year-old guy who had a decade of entry-level automotive experience literally self-immolated because he tried to smoke a cigarette after getting in a brake cleaner fight with another dumbass. He's working another entry-level automotive job at another shop now. The 40-something versions are more depressing. By that point they are invariably missing front teeth, crippled in payday loan debt, etc. Too lazy, stupid or shortsighted to have ever progressed in a trade but too proud to live off of disability benefits from an invented chronic injury. It's a real thing, dude.
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TheScott2K posted:I'm really really curious who these mythical white Obama voters who switched to Trump were, and how many they number. Its impossible to know the number of course, but id say they were annoyed at being part of the most uplifting and hopeful election coalition in several generations and all of that political capital being spent on creating new gender pronouns.
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