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Zane posted:the da3 combat model just continued what the combat model for da2 was trying to do -- until it became more skyrim than baldurs gate. which was a good trade-off for you i guess? not a good trade-off for me. with the fun addition of a now non-functional tactical camera, a monotonous slog of an open world, crazy shenanigans with uneven terrain, and far far fewer uniquely tailored encounters. da1 was cool at the time when pillars of eternity wasn't even an idea but it had like four enemy types, a lot of extremely simplified mechanics, and long long dungeons, that made it often a lot more boring than bg1 from ten years earlier rofl My maxim is that DA:O had better encounter design, but DA2 had better combat mechanics, classes, talent design, all this. Warriors and rogues in DA:O were boring and flat with a host of same-y abilities that were often straddling the line between dull and useless. In DA2, they're dynamic and fun to play with lots of battlefield mobility and cool tricks. Mages meanwhile went from "ridiculously strong god class that gets literally all the interesting stuff" to being balanced, interesting, but with a distinct combat role that they couldn't overlap and do everything like they did in DA:O. On the flip side, DA:O has battles with like, archers on hills and strategically placed mages and stuff. DA2 has some battles like that, but it has more meatgrinders than Origins. I also don't personally find the waves of enemies to be a problem, though? It forces you to re-evaluate your positioning and use the battlefield mobility skills available to you, the warrior/rogue charges and leaps and the more limited mage teleports, to react to a new situation on the fly. Other prefer seeing the archers on the hill and using stealth and pre-positioning to plan the whole fight from the start, which DA:O offers more of and which is also fine. Personally I think the DA2 combat clinches it. Inquisition beats either in my book, though.
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I'm going to have to disagree and here's my reasoning: Dragon Age 2 is the worst game ever made.
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FronzelNeekburm posted:Why would you make a guy who dies at age 40 the pilot on your 600-year voyage? They didn't reach Andromeda by flying there in the Tempest.
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DA:O's problem is that it was amazingly lifeless and boring to the point that most people don't remember much of it. The only thing I remember really is defiling ashes for fun and the really serious face my dwarf dude made right before Morrigan started to clip into him in an extremely confusing and glitchy but sexy sex scene.
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This week's Script Lock podcast has one of the writers working on Andromeda on. https://scriptlock.simplecast.fm/episodes/53363-episode-22-mel-maccoubrey-ann-lemay
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Dan Didio posted:I'm going to have to disagree and here's my reasoning: Dragon Age 2 is the worst game ever made. Yeah. Not the literal worst game ever, but  the warm reminiscing itt.
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I formally accuse anyone in this thread who expresses positive feelings towards DA:2 as being full of poo poo. It was and is a piece of poo poo cash in sequel that played badly and had a bad narrative. Fact.
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DancingShade posted:I formally accuse anyone in this thread who expresses positive feelings towards DA:2 as being full of poo poo. And I accuse you of literally being your avatar!
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Eej posted:DA:O's problem is that it was amazingly lifeless and boring to the point that most people don't remember much of it. The only thing I remember really is defiling ashes for fun and the really serious face my dwarf dude made right before Morrigan started to clip into him in an extremely confusing and glitchy but sexy sex scene. I played through DA:O as Dongalor, the Racist Elf Barbarian and it was hilarious. I got Zevran killed because I forgot he existed so when his assassin buddies came calling he went with them. I killed the healer because I wasn't paying attention and agreed with Morrigan when she called the mages sheeple, but missed the second half of the sentence, where she said they should all die. I sided with Loghain because Alistair is an incredibly whiny baby and he ran away crying hoping the war went well lmao. I also banged Morrigan in the dumbest cutscene ever while romancing Leliana. Bringing Loghain into the fold ended up saving the world because I forgot to put half of my party in actual armor or weapons because I only used Morrigan, Shale, and Leliana, so Loghain was the only one who actually had anything equipped and also Dog helped too. Good dog. In sidequests I made sure to not care about human problems and got Elf Israel created (which was apparently immediately shot down by the Chantry which threatened a crusade). This made playing as an elf mage in DA:I extra fun because everyone was praising that guy constantly. Incidentally, playing through DA:O as a barbarian and with no healer loving sucks. quote:I formally accuse anyone in this thread who expresses positive feelings towards DA:2 as being full of poo poo. It was ok, I had fun with it. The gameplay was better than DA:O's, but I also played as a mage. I played both years after they released though. RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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DancingShade posted:I formally accuse anyone in this thread who expresses positive feelings towards DA:2 as being full of poo poo. the truest of posts
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Dan Didio posted:I'm going to have to disagree and here's my reasoning: Dragon Age 2 is the worst game ever made. Sounds as though some itt haven't played Duke Nukem Forever. Or Daikatana. Or E.T. for the Atari 2600. DA2 is Baldur's Gate compared to them.
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Skippy McPants posted:Much as I enjoyed the Normandy II, I kinda agree. Especially with the elevators, a whip-round with all your NPCs took way too long. In then Inquisition took it into overdrive with the awful castle layout.
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I said come in! posted:In then Inquisition took it into overdrive with the awful castle layout. only about 70 hours into the game did I discover the dang Skyhold had a dang kitchen
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I said come in! posted:In then Inquisition took it into overdrive with the awful castle layout. It was atrocious, I didn't even know where Cullen was for the longest time. DA:I's castle was as bad as ME1 Citadel with pointless load times and useless hallways/rooms with nothing happening in them.
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A place like Skyhold only works if you can fast travel anywhere or have a room where you can summon a character. Still, would be too drat big. Also, yeah, another RPG contrivance full of poo poo: why the gently caress you have to go around to talk to everybody when you are the authority? Can't I just have a "tell X to meet me here ASAP" function? Come on devs you have or had bosses you know how it goes 
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Transmetropolitan posted:Also, yeah, another RPG contrivance full of poo poo: why the gently caress you have to go around to talk to everybody when you are the authority? Can't I just have a "tell X to meet me here ASAP" function? Come on devs you have or had bosses you know how it goes Yeah but most of the time you're talking to them as their friend, not their boss. I think walking around the castle or ship or whatever to talk to everyone is pretty fun, but it would be more fun without any loading screens.
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Mymla posted:it would be more fun without any loading screens.  
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I never finished DA:O it bored me. I did finish and greatly enjoy DA2 though.
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Dan Didio posted:I'm going to have to disagree and here's my reasoning: Dragon Age 2 is the worst game ever made. You know Dan we've had our many disagreements over Mass Effect but you're all right.
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I'm glad I never played any of those Dragon Age games. They sound like boring garbage. Most of the genre is boring garbage though so it isn't surprising.
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Tezcatlipoca posted:I'm glad I never played any of those Dragon Age games. They sound like boring garbage. Most of the genre is boring garbage though so it isn't surprising. This is true. Fantasy is really bad.
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Dragon age is the game I play when im waiting for a new mass effect to come out soon this is literally the only reason im playing Inquisition
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Mods. Are there mods for DAI that improve the game? I'm on my first playthrough. Something that helps ultra-prioritize companion abilities, as in "taunt and Livid on every cooldown, what's wrong with you Blackwall" ? Or...other suggestions?
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Moola posted:Dragon age is the game I play when im waiting for a new mass effect to come out soon Have you already played through WItcher 3 and its DLC more than three times, then? Potato Salad posted:Mods. There's something we here like to call the alt-f4 mod.
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Skippy McPants posted:Much as I enjoyed the Normandy II, I kinda agree. Especially with the elevators, a whip-round with all your NPCs took way too long. The castle in Inquisition was WAYYYYY bigger than the Normandy and had almost no loading screens so I think we're good
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precision posted:The castle in Inquisition was WAYYYYY bigger than the Normandy and had almost no loading screens so I think we're good pretty sure it was just for the undercroft and your quarters which is weird because neither location was really big and you almost never had any reason to go to your quarters
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I replayed the Mass Effects and DA:I not too long ago, and Skyhold actually takes less time to go round if you're used to the layout. The Normandies are both quite the slog. Loading zones in player hubs, especially if they divvy up your NPCs, be a baaaad idea.
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Eastbound Spider posted:Godspeed Moola   Drifter posted:Have you already played through WItcher 3 and its DLC more than three times, then? PC cant handle it until I get my 1060
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I was enjoying DA:I and about 2/3 through, but then I started Witcher 3 and just dropped it like hot poo poo and never went back. Game was just outclassed in every conceivable way despite the obvious amount of effort involved in making it. Standalone and in a drought of decent RPGs, it seemed pretty good, but it was just hollow in comparison to W3.
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The difference in sidequest quality between DA:I and W3 is hilarious. The main questlines in DA:I aren't actually that bad to be fair, but christ you can tell that the game was either planned as a MMO or that they were just lazy.
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Alain Post posted:The main questlines in DA:I aren't actually that bad to be fair, but christ you can tell that the game was either planned as a MMO or that they were just lazy. It was originally going to be a Co-Op multiplayer game, if you can believe it! I think it's fair to say that it had a somewhat fraught development. Not to the level of DA 2, but Bioware seems to have trouble deciding what exactly they want to be doing with the DA licence from game to game.
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It came out really well, though. I think it's a fantastic game no matter how you slice it, and even if the gameplay's not to your taste, it's hard to deny the amount of effort involved. Like, the world is stunningly huge for a Bioware RPG.
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Skippy McPants posted:It was originally going to be a Co-Op multiplayer game, if you can believe it! I think it's fair to say that it had a somewhat fraught development. Not to the level of DA 2, but Bioware seems to have trouble deciding what exactly they want to be doing with the DA licence from game to game. Which is dumb, because it should have been "Mass effect, but fantasy" throughout. Instead they had to go and try and reinvent it with every sequel DA:I was okay, but a lot felt like filler and the end was boring
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Zzulu posted:Which is dumb, because it should have been "Mass effect, but fantasy" throughout. This is exactly the thinking that led to DA2.
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Android Blues posted:It came out really well, though. I think it's a fantastic game no matter how you slice it, and even if the gameplay's not to your taste, it's hard to deny the amount of effort involved. Like, the world is stunningly huge for a Bioware RPG. But most of the game was just stuffed with mindless busywork for no decent reward. You just ended up collecting hordes of pointless sidequests that generated nothing that was actually valuable with no way of discerning whether what you'd found was actually important. The main story was great and all, but when the game leans so hard on the idea of an open world, that world actually needs to be interesting. Edit: I mean it was nowhere near as bad as DA:2 but unlike DA:2 it didn't have DA:O before it making me want to think of it in a sympathetic light. The result was I beat DA:2 hoping that somehow it would get better, but just gave up with DA:I because I had no faith that it would.
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