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Lightning Knight posted:The EC going faithless and throwing this to Hillary would be an unmitigated disaster. Best case scenario she governs as a lame duck President for four years and we get routed in 2020. Worst case, civil war. Don't bother. It would be less of a disaster than a Trump Presidency.
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Spaced God posted:If the electoral college rebels a loving civil war would happen At this point, that would do far, far less damage than letting this open fascist bigoted conman fleece the nation for at least four years.
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readingatwork posted:...Trump's getting a second term isn't he? You have posted to the effect that you think globalization is a neoliberal plot and that we could actually bring the factory jobs back, so I'm not sure you have any idea how completely nonsensical the idea of clinging to manual labor is or will continue to be in the next 50 years as robots become more advanced. Asking us to maintain factory and manual labor jobs is like going back in time and trying to maintain the agricultural economy in 1920. mcmagic posted:It would be less of a disaster than a Trump Presidency. Nah. It would guarantee somebody dangerous and competent gets in, in 2020. Somebody like Ted Cruz.
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icantfindaname posted:we're talking about milwaukee wisconsin and youngstown ohio, not north dakota And Clinton won both of those cities while losing the places that are as vacant as north dakota in those states. Also the problem with the EC isn't that it's slightly unfair to cities or something, it's that it's massively unfair to cities. When the Apportionment Act of 1911 came into effect (which sets how many electors each state gets) the population divide between city/rural was about 50/50. Now it's something like 80/20. Gringostar fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Nov 22, 2016 |
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Spaced God posted:If the electoral college rebels a loving civil war would happen I think I prefer that to Trump being president.
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Gringostar posted:And Clinton won both of those cities while losing the places that are as vacant as north dakota. she lost WI because people in Milwaukee didn't vote enough, because Milwaukee is a loving post-apocalyptic wasteland that Dems wrote off 40 years ago
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mcmagic posted:It would be less of a disaster than a Trump Presidency. i'm starting to believe this too. as much as i'd like to hope that trump's presidency would be merely incompetent, i worry if we will even have elections in 2018 if he enters office.
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Harrow posted:Trump is going to commit so many impeachable offenses in his first year alone and the House isn't going to do poo poo about it. It's going to be like all the awful poo poo he did during the campaign becoming dog bites man stories.
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http://www.vice.com/read/heil-trump-this-is-the-alternative-right?utm_source=vicetwitterusquote:Tila Tequila is a 35-year-old who became famous through social networking sites years ago and has become notorious for her Nazi sympathies:
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Remember folks, if the EC decides it's ok to ignore the state's popular vote on Trump it will likely turn around and pull that same trick on a more liberal reform candidate one day. Be careful what you wish for.
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GobiasIndustries posted:https://twitter.com/gabrielsherman/status/801131173921648642
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Condiv posted:i'm starting to believe this too. as much as i'd like to hope that trump's presidency would be merely incompetent, i worry if we will even have elections in 2018 if he enters office. Oh ffs get a hold of yourself. Like, lay out a timeline for me. Step me through how Trump literally cancels the electoral process.
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icantfindaname posted:she lost WI because people in Milwaukee didn't vote enough, because Milwaukee is a loving post-apocalyptic wasteland that Dems wrote off 40 years ago Combo of that and WI-03 not turning out. Though I wonder if someone had run against Ron Kind if that would have caused them to devote a bit more to a GOTV effort in WI-03. Oh well.
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emdash posted:http://www.vice.com/read/heil-trump-this-is-the-alternative-right?utm_source=vicetwitterus She takes pipe for a living and is recovering from a stroke. This is more sad than anything else.
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obama authorized massive infrastructure projects like high speed rail throughout the rust belt. republican state governments then refused the literal billions of dollars that were being offered to their states. that's not a messaging issue or a policy issue for the democratic party. it was the correct policy pushed at the correct time, torpedoed by republicans.
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readingatwork posted:Remember folks, if the EC decides it's ok to ignore the state's popular vote on Trump it will likely turn around and pull that same trick on a more liberal reform candidate one day. This is literally what the electoral college is for.
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Venuz Patrol posted:obama authorized massive infrastructure projects like high speed rail throughout the rust belt. republican state governments then refused the literal billions of dollars that were being offered to their states. that's not a messaging issue or a policy issue for the democratic party. it was the correct policy pushed at the correct time, torpedoed by republicans. Didn't they also do the same thing to retraining programs?
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icantfindaname posted:she lost WI because people in Milwaukee didn't vote enough, because Milwaukee is a loving post-apocalyptic wasteland that Dems wrote off 40 years ago Where the most falloff was in areas were people would have the most trouble meeting voter ID requirements. Now was that the only reason? No. Was that a reason just as important as the other ones? Yes, and it's loving hilarious how no one is even mentioning that.
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UV_Catastrophe posted:New vote-winning dem policy proposal for 2020: literally bulldoze rural america I don't think that is what people are suggesting.
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Venuz Patrol posted:obama authorized massive infrastructure projects like high speed rail throughout the rust belt. republican state governments then refused the literal billions of dollars that were being offered to their states. that's not a messaging issue or a policy issue for the democratic party. it was the correct policy pushed at the correct time, torpedoed by republicans. A rail CEO got in trouble for illegal contributions to Walker's campaign in 2010, funny enough. Oh, and if you guessed that his tracks would be used for parts of the Madison-Milwaukee-Chicago Higher Speed Rail project, YOU'RE RIGHT!
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Lightning Knight posted:Didn't they also do the same thing to retraining programs? Also to healthcare subsidies. Why it's almost like republicans have spent the last 8 years trying to kill anything and everything democrats have tried to do to make things better for the rust belt... but for some reason the next time democrats try to help those people republicans will just roll over or something because of messaging.
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Lightning Knight posted:You have posted to the effect that you think globalization is a neoliberal plot and that we could actually bring the factory jobs back, so I'm not sure you have any idea how completely nonsensical the idea of clinging to manual labor is or will continue to be in the next 50 years as robots become more advanced. Computers aren't magic. The day where a factory is completely self-contained is still a long ways away and even then we'll still need people to service the robots, patch roofs and repair drywall. Manual labor may become less common but it's hardly going extinct.
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galenanorth posted:Why HUD? Why not Health and Human Services, Secretary-General, or Veterans Affairs (for the healthcare parts)? Why put Dr. Carson, esteemed as the most successful black Republican candidate for President so far, in charge of the department responsible for preventing housing discrimination? After all, if it's about his qualifications as a rousing politician and dignitary, Secretary of State would do more to bolster his promising career. It just doesn't add up. He's black, who else would be qualified to handle Section 8 issues?
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Gringostar posted:Where the most falloff was in areas were people would have the most trouble meeting voter ID requirements. Voter disenfranchisement really isn't being talked about enough. Over the years as Team Rocket has instituted voter ID laws, voter roll purges, and polling place consolidation in the states they control, I always kind of had faith that it wouldn't work. We'd put them on buses, we'd help them get IDs, we'd have lawyers ready to protect eligible voters being turned away. I was wrong to be that optimistic. The poo poo worked. There was just too much in too many places to organize our way out of. All of the "what do we do now?" conversations seem focused on the federal government. If the Democratic Party wants a comeback that includes a majority that's actually durable, we need to spend our time in the wilderness getting local and state offices filled by Democrats. Democrats who will undo voter disenfranchisement, accept Medicaid expansion, and spend newly black-granted funds on the people they're actually meant for.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Oh ffs get a hold of yourself. i wonder if the laws we rely on to have an electoral process will be enforced at all, and by whom we already have republicans trying to reverse an election they lost, and we have trump staff sieg heiling in the whitehouse. i'm worried that we have a ton of trump supporters in the military and in the police that would be willing to obey trump over our laws and constitution that being said, i'm not at "go faithless EC!" yet
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This is the most hopeful thing I've heard all year https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/801128088151224320
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readingatwork posted:Computers aren't magic. The day where a factory is completely self-contained is still a long ways away and even then we'll still need people to service the robots, patch roofs and repair drywall. Manual labor may become less common but it's hardly going extinct. Roofing and drywalling are low skill jobs, but robot service technician is absolutely a high skill job which are the only jobs that factories are making now.
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readingatwork posted:Computers aren't magic. The day where a factory is completely self-contained is still a long ways away and even then we'll still need people to service the robots, patch roofs and repair drywall. Manual labor may become less common but it's hardly going extinct. Of course there will be people required. Most of those positions also want more than sub-high school diploma qualifications, which torpedoes the majority of the people we're talking about. Nevermind that there just isn't that many people required for these types of jobs. Many of these factories are coming back to the US on their own, being worked by robots. Cutting maximum allowed hours and increasing minimum wages will help in the short run, but in the long run, factory work is dying in general. 10% of the world could provide enough for everyone to live comfortably and we're fighting over who gets to be the 10% who has to work lovely jobs instead of considering the wider possibilities afforded to us by that scenario.
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theblackw0lf posted:This is the most hopeful thing I've heard all year He changes his mind minute to minute. Nothing he says today is genuine. Nothing he says at all is genuine. The Republican party at large doesn't want to recognize climate change. Climate change will not be recognized.
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Spaced God posted:If the electoral college rebels a loving civil war would happen lol no it wouldn't
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theblackw0lf posted:This is the most hopeful thing I've heard all year  Oh please God let this be a pivot
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Proud Christian Mom posted:40 years of Democrats and Republicans and the average American is worse off so please stop pretending either party really gives a poo poo about the economy other than whatever it takes to get elected and make their donors happy Wow man you are so cool and above it all you really seem to have a grasp of what's going on.
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Sir Tonk posted:lol no it wouldn't A civil war based on an EC decision is unlikely but massive amounts of right-wing terrorism and an almost certain Republican presidency in 2020 - and probably a much worse person than Trump, like Pence or Cruz - wouldn't be much loving better.
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