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Gringostar posted:i don't disagree with you on the second point If you can't make any progress on issues you pretend to care about in a place where you have total control then it rings hollow when you claim you want to do something about it somewhere else
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:01 |
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bump_fn posted:i know obama campaigned on the auto bailouts in 2012 but i don't know if that actually lastingly helped No, actually, that's a pretty good one. I can also think of a few local examples regarding school improvements and community centers and stuff. Gringostar posted:i don't disagree with you on the second point Got to admit it really undermines their credibility though.
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:06 |
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bump_fn posted:"Trump said he would help you but his proposals are just ways to get his rich oligarch friends richer. I understand that you're hurting and actually want to help you, not some billionaire who makes money from your suffering" Voters associated Hillary with rich oligarchs more than Trump, which is why this never really worked. I honestly believe that more than anything else the way she handled the dumb speech thing in the primary hosed her over in the general. I'll never understand why they didn't just put it out when it came up, take the blowback for a week then it goes away forever. They weren't even that bad really. vv Oh ok
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:15 |
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:Voters associated Hillary with rich oligarchs more than Trump, which is why this never really worked. i'm not saying it would be a good hillary line because it wouldn't be, im saying its an obvious 2018 line
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:17 |
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Lemming posted:If you can't make any progress on issues you pretend to care about in a place where you have total control then it rings hollow when you claim you want to do something about it somewhere else people in blue states are generally happy though so why would politicians want to gently caress that up and risk getting tossed? i'm not trying to be an rear end in a top hat btw, most people in CA are happy with their politicians and none of them ran on fixing prop 13 or strengthening unions (if anything most people hate unions here because of the prison guard one) but I'm 100% on board with supporting ones that actually propose those things GlyphGryph posted:Got to admit it really undermines their credibility though. i'm not disagreeing with you, but you can't just expect CA/NY to just go full socialist on a whim to try and convince the rest of the country that it works, especially with how massive those states economies are on the world stage bump_fn posted:Also this is why grasssroots is more important than presidency this on the other hand is the real prize
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:25 |
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iospace posted:https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/801080921181081600 first policy suggestion: putting someone other than hillary clinton in charge
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:25 |
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Does the government have the power to institute land reform so that small farmers can own their own farmland without the need for subsidies?
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:28 |
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Fiction posted:Does the government have the power to institute land reform so that small farmers can own their own farmland without the need for subsidies? How do you mean? Without totally understanding the question, the answer is probably: local/State government yes, Federal government no.
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:35 |
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FYI: Tatum was one of the most obnoxious Hillfolk and is likely unreachable. There was an article where one of the two BLM women who interrupted Bernie in Seattle said that Killer Mike was gaslighting her by Tweeting that he disagreed with her activism and Tatum concern-trolled the hell out of it, acting like Bernie's surrogates were terrible people who hated black people, never contemplating the fact that Hillary's supporters literally hissed at a BLM activist. Tatum is p terrible. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:49 |
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How is disagreeing gaslighting now. I don't think that word means what they think it means.
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:50 |
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Gringostar posted:people in blue states are generally happy though so why would politicians want to gently caress that up and risk getting tossed? That's exactly my point, "most people are happy" is a bullshit reason and means you don't actually care about improving things. "Oh, things are fine for enough people so we always get voted in. Our work here is done" is hosed up. The Democrats goal isn't to actually improve things for anybody. There are tons of people suffering in CA and there's virtually no drive or push from Democrats to actually improve things for them. Their weak leadership is reflected in how poorly Democrats are doing at county and state levels all across the country. That weakness leaves an opening for actual progressives to show up and push the party to the left since they have no way to stop it. That'd require a real grassroots effort, but it could be done
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:51 |
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If anyone tries to tell you Hillary Clinton was sincere in her desire for racial justice, remind them about that time a BLM protester interrupted one of her speeches and she responded by saying "Can I talk?" over and over until security dragged the protester away and then said "okay, back to the issues"
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:52 |
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Nanomashoes posted:How is disagreeing gaslighting now. Ben Garrison, an alt-right cartoonist and consistent Trump booster, used the word "gaslighting" repeatedly and incorrectly during the GE too. It's another one of those legitimate academic terms which the Internet found out about and proceeded to warp beyond recognition.
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:53 |
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that begs the question: what is language? what does it mean when we say english evolves naturally?
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:55 |
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loquacius posted:If anyone tries to tell you Hillary Clinton was sincere in her desire for racial justice, remind them about that time a BLM protester interrupted one of her speeches and she responded by saying "Can I talk?" over and over until security dragged the protester away and then said "okay, back to the issues" Superpredators
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:56 |
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Well, that kind of depends on what your definition of "is" is.
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:56 |
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Baloogan posted:that begs the question: what is language? what does it mean when we say english evolves naturally? English was intelligently designed by King James, the author of the Bible.
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Baloogan posted:that begs the question: what is language? what does it mean when we say english evolves naturally? like books and stuff
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:04 |
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Lemming posted:That's exactly my point, "most people are happy" is a bullshit reason and means you don't actually care about improving things. "Oh, things are fine for enough people so we always get voted in. Our work here is done" is hosed up. The Democrats goal isn't to actually improve things for anybody. There are tons of people suffering in CA and there's virtually no drive or push from Democrats to actually improve things for them. Dude, Democrats in California raised the minimum wage, gave farm workers overtime pay, and passed equal pay in 2016 alone. So, yeah, they're doing poo poo.
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:04 |
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GlyphGryph posted:Give me three examples. If you want to be really ambitious, give me one from a debate and one from an ad among the three. Make sure to remember the audience in this example. lol i'm not going to do a loving homework assignment because you say so dude, i have never claimed that i paid a poo poo ton of attention to hillary, so i can't pull up a catalog of her ads and rallies and poo poo but here, literally the first thing in the first presidential debate quote:CLINTON: Well, thank you, Lester, and thanks to Hofstra for hosting us.
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:08 |
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is language even real or is it an illuminati plot to brainwash america?
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:09 |
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Baloogan posted:that begs the question: what is language? what does it mean when we say english evolves naturally? look before we can even begin approaching what language is we still gotta nail down a definition for sandwiches
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:11 |
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AngryBooch posted:Dude, Democrats in California raised the minimum wage, gave farm workers overtime pay, and passed equal pay in 2016 alone. So, yeah, they're doing poo poo. We should be doing a lot better than "absolute bare minimum"
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:11 |
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Karl Sharks posted:lol i'm not going to do a loving homework assignment because you say so dude, i have never claimed that i paid a poo poo ton of attention to hillary, so i can't pull up a catalog of her ads and rallies and poo poo those won't count and then he'll doubt if you're even capable of understand what hope means, fyi. Your best option here is a smug 'heh the fact you even took time to post this means you're a bad person unlike me, the good politics man' responce.
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:12 |
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Lemming posted:We should be doing a lot better than "absolute bare minimum" Like what else on the state level?
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:14 |
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Lemming posted:If you can't make any progress on issues you pretend to care about in a place where you have total control then it rings hollow when you claim you want to do something about it somewhere else we've got at least 2 goons running for the ca assembly delegate positions
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:17 |
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AngryBooch posted:Dude, Democrats in California raised the minimum wage, gave farm workers overtime pay, and passed equal pay in 2016 alone. So, yeah, they're doing poo poo. They haven't done enough to address cost of living though, you have to be fairly wealthy to live in any of the cities and the solution to homelessness has often been to punish homeless people in the hopes it'll either force them out or make them magically pull up enough income to pay rent. Maybe it's ignorance on my part, I've never really lived there, but California's got a bad reputation and the Democrats have been lovely enough elsewhere to make me believe it
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:18 |
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We're gonna go to the state convention and push our agenda of, uh *checks note card* full communism... now?
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:19 |
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Is Building a Better America a good slogan? Trying to brainstorm potential taglines. Goddamn I'm With Her was terrible.
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:20 |
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Building Best
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Aurubin posted:Is Building a Better America a good slogan? Trying to brainstorm potential taglines. Goddamn I'm With Her was terrible. Liz Warren used "Let's Get To Work" to campaign on infrastructure when she was first running for Senate; I liked that
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:22 |
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AngryBooch posted:Like what else on the state level? http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=261 California's economy is 2.5 trillion dollars and 16% of people are in poverty. Millions of people still don't have health insurance. Rent and housing is out of control in many places. This should all be utterly unacceptable and is totally within our power to manage.
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Oh this guy is still a smarmy piece of poo poo, who'd have thought
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Aurubin posted:Is Building a Better America a good slogan? Trying to brainstorm potential taglines. Goddamn I'm With Her was terrible. "I'm with you"
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https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/801166734430441477
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ChickenOfTomorrow has issued a correction as of 22:17 on Jan 21, 2017 |
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Aurubin posted:Is Building a Better America a good slogan? Trying to brainstorm potential taglines. Goddamn I'm With Her was terrible. idg why stronger together is so terrible?
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:28 |
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Okay, so I'm gonna have lunch with my district's Chairman after Thanksgiving. Dunno what I'm gonna be doing yet, but there are other people interested in getting Democratic Party stuff going on in my county so hell yeah.
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# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:29 |
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:75% tax rate for vampires and vampire-like tech 'entrepreneurs' Does this include Peter Thiel
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Nonsense posted:Oh this guy is still a smarmy piece of poo poo, who'd have thought her policies were fairly progressive, the bigger issue was that she never told anyone about them or didn't talk about it to the people who decided the election
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