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Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

Gringostar posted:

i don't disagree with you on the second point

and on the first point it's either institutionalized racism in police forces that aren't confined to only CA but instead a systemic problem or prop 13 which if you wanted to do poo poo about that the state would swing republican so fast it would make your head spin

i say this as someone that wants prop 13 to get reformed

If you can't make any progress on issues you pretend to care about in a place where you have total control then it rings hollow when you claim you want to do something about it somewhere else

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GlyphGryph: Jun 23, 2013; Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

bump_fn posted:

i know obama campaigned on the auto bailouts in 2012 but i don't know if that actually lastingly helped

No, actually, that's a pretty good one.

I can also think of a few local examples regarding school improvements and community centers and stuff.

Gringostar posted:

i don't disagree with you on the second point

and on the first point it's either institutionalized racism in police forces that aren't confined to only CA but instead a systemic problem or prop 13 which if you wanted to do poo poo about that the state would swing republican so fast it would make your head spin

i say this as someone that wants prop 13 to get reformed

Got to admit it really undermines their credibility though.

# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:06

GOOD TIMES ON METH: Mar 17, 2006; Fun Shoe

bump_fn posted:

"Trump said he would help you but his proposals are just ways to get his rich oligarch friends richer. I understand that you're hurting and actually want to help you, not some billionaire who makes money from your suffering"

Voters associated Hillary with rich oligarchs more than Trump, which is why this never really worked.

I honestly believe that more than anything else the way she handled the dumb speech thing in the primary hosed her over in the general. I'll never understand why they didn't just put it out when it came up, take the blowback for a week then it goes away forever. They weren't even that bad really.

vv Oh ok

# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:15

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:

Voters associated Hillary with rich oligarchs more than Trump, which is why this never really worked.

i'm not saying it would be a good hillary line because it wouldn't be, im saying its an obvious 2018 line

# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:17

Gringostar: Nov 12, 2016; Morbid Hound

Lemming posted:

If you can't make any progress on issues you pretend to care about in a place where you have total control then it rings hollow when you claim you want to do something about it somewhere else

people in blue states are generally happy though so why would politicians want to gently caress that up and risk getting tossed?

i'm not trying to be an rear end in a top hat btw, most people in CA are happy with their politicians and none of them ran on fixing prop 13 or strengthening unions (if anything most people hate unions here because of the prison guard one) but I'm 100% on board with supporting ones that actually propose those things

GlyphGryph posted:

Got to admit it really undermines their credibility though.

i'm not disagreeing with you, but you can't just expect CA/NY to just go full socialist on a whim to try and convince the rest of the country that it works, especially with how massive those states economies are on the world stage

bump_fn posted:

Also this is why grasssroots is more important than presidency

this on the other hand is the real prize

# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:25

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO: May 8, 2006

iospace posted:

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/801080921181081600
(I'm not supporting neo-liberal poo poo here, but it is a good question)

first policy suggestion: putting someone other than hillary clinton in charge

# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:25

Fiction: Apr 28, 2011

Does the government have the power to institute land reform so that small farmers can own their own farmland without the need for subsidies?

# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:28

nah thanks: Jun 18, 2004; Take me out.

Fiction posted:

Does the government have the power to institute land reform so that small farmers can own their own farmland without the need for subsidies?

How do you mean?

Without totally understanding the question, the answer is probably: local/State government yes, Federal government no.

# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:35

Fidel Castronaut: Dec 25, 2004; Houston, we're Havana problem.

FYI: Tatum was one of the most obnoxious Hillfolk and is likely unreachable. There was an article where one of the two BLM women who interrupted Bernie in Seattle said that Killer Mike was gaslighting her by Tweeting that he disagreed with her activism and Tatum concern-trolled the hell out of it, acting like Bernie's surrogates were terrible people who hated black people, never contemplating the fact that Hillary's supporters literally hissed at a BLM activist.

Tatum is p terrible.

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# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:49

Nanomashoes: Aug 18, 2012

How is disagreeing gaslighting now.
I don't think that word means what they think it means.

# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:50

Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

Gringostar posted:

people in blue states are generally happy though so why would politicians want to gently caress that up and risk getting tossed?

i'm not trying to be an rear end in a top hat btw, most people in CA are happy with their politicians and none of them ran on fixing prop 13 or strengthening unions (if anything most people hate unions here because of the prison guard one) but I'm 100% on board with supporting ones that actually propose those things

That's exactly my point, "most people are happy" is a bullshit reason and means you don't actually care about improving things. "Oh, things are fine for enough people so we always get voted in. Our work here is done" is hosed up. The Democrats goal isn't to actually improve things for anybody. There are tons of people suffering in CA and there's virtually no drive or push from Democrats to actually improve things for them.

Their weak leadership is reflected in how poorly Democrats are doing at county and state levels all across the country. That weakness leaves an opening for actual progressives to show up and push the party to the left since they have no way to stop it. That'd require a real grassroots effort, but it could be done

# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:51

loquacius: Oct 21, 2008

If anyone tries to tell you Hillary Clinton was sincere in her desire for racial justice, remind them about that time a BLM protester interrupted one of her speeches and she responded by saying "Can I talk?" over and over until security dragged the protester away and then said "okay, back to the issues"

# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:52

loquacius: Oct 21, 2008

Nanomashoes posted:

How is disagreeing gaslighting now.
I don't think that word means what they think it means.

Ben Garrison, an alt-right cartoonist and consistent Trump booster, used the word "gaslighting" repeatedly and incorrectly during the GE too. It's another one of those legitimate academic terms which the Internet found out about and proceeded to warp beyond recognition.

# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:53

Baloogan: Dec 5, 2004; Fun Shoe

that begs the question: what is language? what does it mean when we say english evolves naturally?

# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:55

anime was right: Jun 27, 2008; death is certain
keep yr cool

loquacius posted:

If anyone tries to tell you Hillary Clinton was sincere in her desire for racial justice, remind them about that time a BLM protester interrupted one of her speeches and she responded by saying "Can I talk?" over and over until security dragged the protester away and then said "okay, back to the issues"

Superpredators

# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:56

Barracuda Bang!: Oct 21, 2008; The first rule of No Avatar Club is: you do not talk about No Avatar Club. The second rule of No Avatar Club is: you DO NOT talk about No Avatar Club; Grimey Drawer

Well, that kind of depends on what your definition of "is" is.

# ? Nov 22, 2016 21:56

redneck nazgul: Apr 25, 2013

Baloogan posted:

that begs the question: what is language? what does it mean when we say english evolves naturally?

English was intelligently designed by King James, the author of the Bible.

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:03

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

Baloogan posted:

that begs the question: what is language? what does it mean when we say english evolves naturally?

like books and stuff

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:04

AngryBooch: Sep 26, 2009

Lemming posted:

That's exactly my point, "most people are happy" is a bullshit reason and means you don't actually care about improving things. "Oh, things are fine for enough people so we always get voted in. Our work here is done" is hosed up. The Democrats goal isn't to actually improve things for anybody. There are tons of people suffering in CA and there's virtually no drive or push from Democrats to actually improve things for them.

Their weak leadership is reflected in how poorly Democrats are doing at county and state levels all across the country. That weakness leaves an opening for actual progressives to show up and push the party to the left since they have no way to stop it. That'd require a real grassroots effort, but it could be done

Dude, Democrats in California raised the minimum wage, gave farm workers overtime pay, and passed equal pay in 2016 alone. So, yeah, they're doing poo poo.

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:04

Karl Sharks: Feb 20, 2008; The Immortal Science of Sharksism-Fininism

GlyphGryph posted:

Give me three examples. If you want to be really ambitious, give me one from a debate and one from an ad among the three. Make sure to remember the audience in this example.

Media rebroadcasting or not, this is trivial to do for Trump so I imagine you should have no difficulty if Hillary was actually pushing it.

lol i'm not going to do a loving homework assignment because you say so dude, i have never claimed that i paid a poo poo ton of attention to hillary, so i can't pull up a catalog of her ads and rallies and poo poo

but here, literally the first thing in the first presidential debate

quote:

CLINTON: Well, thank you, Lester, and thanks to Hofstra for hosting us.

The central question in this election is really what kind of country we want to be and what kind of future we'll build together. Today is my granddaughter's second birthday, so I think about this a lot. First, we have to build an economy that works for everyone, not just those at the top. That means we need new jobs, good jobs, with rising incomes.

I want us to invest in you. I want us to invest in your future. That means jobs in infrastructure, in advanced manufacturing, innovation and technology, clean, renewable energy, and small business, because most of the new jobs will come from small business. We also have to make the economy fairer. That starts with raising the national minimum wage and also guarantee, finally, equal pay for women's work.

CLINTON: I also want to see more companies do profit-sharing. If you help create the profits, you should be able to share in them, not just the executives at the top.

And I want us to do more to support people who are struggling to balance family and work. I've heard from so many of you about the difficult choices you face and the stresses that you're under. So let's have paid family leave, earned sick days. Let's be sure we have affordable child care and debt-free college.

How are we going to do it? We're going to do it by having the wealthy pay their fair share and close the corporate loopholes.

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The_Politics_Man: Aug 25, 2015

is language even real or is it an illuminati plot to brainwash america?

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:09

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Baloogan posted:

that begs the question: what is language? what does it mean when we say english evolves naturally?

look before we can even begin approaching what language is we still gotta nail down a definition for sandwiches

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:11

Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

AngryBooch posted:

Dude, Democrats in California raised the minimum wage, gave farm workers overtime pay, and passed equal pay in 2016 alone. So, yeah, they're doing poo poo.

We should be doing a lot better than "absolute bare minimum"

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:11

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

Karl Sharks posted:

lol i'm not going to do a loving homework assignment because you say so dude, i have never claimed that i paid a poo poo ton of attention to hillary, so i can't pull up a catalog of her ads and rallies and poo poo

but here, literally the first thing in the first presidential debate

those won't count and then he'll doubt if you're even capable of understand what hope means, fyi. Your best option here is a smug 'heh the fact you even took time to post this means you're a bad person unlike me, the good politics man' responce.

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:12

AngryBooch: Sep 26, 2009

Lemming posted:

We should be doing a lot better than "absolute bare minimum"

Like what else on the state level?

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:14

ChickenOfTomorrow: Nov 11, 2012; god damn it, you've got to be kind

Lemming posted:

If you can't make any progress on issues you pretend to care about in a place where you have total control then it rings hollow when you claim you want to do something about it somewhere else

we've got at least 2 goons running for the ca assembly delegate positions

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:17

free midis online: Oct 4, 2013

AngryBooch posted:

Dude, Democrats in California raised the minimum wage, gave farm workers overtime pay, and passed equal pay in 2016 alone. So, yeah, they're doing poo poo.

They haven't done enough to address cost of living though, you have to be fairly wealthy to live in any of the cities and the solution to homelessness has often been to punish homeless people in the hopes it'll either force them out or make them magically pull up enough income to pay rent. Maybe it's ignorance on my part, I've never really lived there, but California's got a bad reputation and the Democrats have been lovely enough elsewhere to make me believe it

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:18

ChickenOfTomorrow: Nov 11, 2012; god damn it, you've got to be kind

We're gonna go to the state convention and push our agenda of, uh

*checks note card*

full communism... now?

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:19

Aurubin: Mar 17, 2011

Is Building a Better America a good slogan? Trying to brainstorm potential taglines. Goddamn I'm With Her was terrible.

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:20

ChickenOfTomorrow: Nov 11, 2012; god damn it, you've got to be kind

Building Best ~~Korea~~ ~~Western~~ America

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:21

loquacius: Oct 21, 2008

Aurubin posted:

Is Building a Better America a good slogan? Trying to brainstorm potential taglines. Goddamn I'm With Her was terrible.

Liz Warren used "Let's Get To Work" to campaign on infrastructure when she was first running for Senate; I liked that

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:22

Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

AngryBooch posted:

Like what else on the state level?

http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=261

California's economy is 2.5 trillion dollars and 16% of people are in poverty. Millions of people still don't have health insurance. Rent and housing is out of control in many places. This should all be utterly unacceptable and is totally within our power to manage.

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:24

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

Venom Snake posted:

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/801121588192149505

Oh this guy is still a smarmy piece of poo poo, who'd have thought

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:24

ate shit on live tv: Feb 15, 2004; by Azathoth

Aurubin posted:

Is Building a Better America a good slogan? Trying to brainstorm potential taglines. Goddamn I'm With Her was terrible.

"I'm with you"

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:26

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/801166734430441477

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:26

ChickenOfTomorrow: Nov 11, 2012; god damn it, you've got to be kind

ChickenOfTomorrow has issued a correction as of 22:17 on Jan 21, 2017

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:27

Karl Sharks: Feb 20, 2008; The Immortal Science of Sharksism-Fininism

Aurubin posted:

Is Building a Better America a good slogan? Trying to brainstorm potential taglines. Goddamn I'm With Her was terrible.

idg why stronger together is so terrible?

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:28

Serf: May 5, 2011

Okay, so I'm gonna have lunch with my district's Chairman after Thanksgiving. Dunno what I'm gonna be doing yet, but there are other people interested in getting Democratic Party stuff going on in my county so hell yeah.

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:29

loquacius: Oct 21, 2008

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

75% tax rate for vampires and vampire-like tech 'entrepreneurs'

Does this include Peter Thiel

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Gringostar: Nov 12, 2016; Morbid Hound

Nonsense posted:

Oh this guy is still a smarmy piece of poo poo, who'd have thought

her policies were fairly progressive, the bigger issue was that she never told anyone about them or didn't talk about it to the people who decided the election

# ? Nov 22, 2016 22:32

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